Blues & twos

murf313 · 05-09-2011 02:49PM

Paulzx wrote: »

Are you a shrink?

no but sure let it all out, you'll feel better........:D

Paulzx · 05-09-2011 02:55PM

murf313 wrote: »

no but sure let it all out, you'll feel better........:D

I'll get banned

murf313 · 05-09-2011 02:58PM

Paulzx wrote: »

I'll get banned

you need to stop taking things so serious.... we have differing opinions, lets just leave it at that.:cool:

Paulzx · 05-09-2011 03:01PM

murf313 wrote: »

you need to stop taking things so serious.... we have differing opinions, lets just leave it at that.:cool:

I wasn't making reference to our discussion:p

Bang Bang · 05-09-2011 03:02PM

The Advanced Medical Priority Dispatch System (AMPDS) is a licenced product and all service providors and EMC's must obey and conform to this licence.
Certain proposed changes to the system (in Ireland) must go through PHECC and HIQA, the recent Aspirin protocol for example.
All service providors and operators (EMC's) must meet the criteria of the licence and are regulated.

As it stands in Ireland, Alpha and Omega graded calls are 'cold' response calls, no blue lights and/or sirens.
Any Providor/Manager/Officer who issues an instruction to disobey their AMPDS licence are in breach of that licence and are not conforming to regulation and they may be putting crews lives and other lives in danger.

Personally I would direct any such instruction to Health & Safety without delay.

murf313 · 05-09-2011 03:07PM

Bang Bang wrote: »

The Advanced Medical Priority Dispatch System (AMPDS) is a licenced product and all service providors and EMC's must obey and conform to this licence.
Certain proposed changes to the system (in Ireland) must go through PHECC and HIQA, the recent Aspirin protocol for example.
All service providors and operators (EMC's) must meet the criteria of the licence and are regulated.

As it stands in Ireland, Alpha and Omega graded calls are 'cold' response calls, no blue lights and/or sirens.
Any Providor/Manager/Officer who issues an instruction to disobey their AMPDS licence are in breach of that licence and are not conforming to regulation and they may be putting crews lives and other lives in danger.

Personally I would direct any such instruction to Health & Safety without delay.

This is exactly the point im trying to make!

If ampds says its a alpha call theres no way im going to use light/sirens. The time you crash into someone management will nail you to the wall!

scholar007 · 05-09-2011 04:48PM

Paulzx wrote: »

You saw 1 driver driving inappropriately so every driver in the organisation is tarred by you.:rolleyes:

Your information is incorrect on what ff's have been instructed on as regards driving to ambo cases. A memo was issued a few months back saying all ambo cases were to be responded to on blues..

You either,

1- Are making S&*t up

2-Are a liar

or 3 - Don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Take your pick..........

Such good natured jovial banter

ivabiggon · 05-09-2011 08:31PM

correct me if i'm wrong and i'm in the dfb..but was there not a recent memo sent around about responding to all calls under blue light?

kub · 05-09-2011 08:47PM

Bang Bang wrote: »

The Advanced Medical Priority Dispatch System (AMPDS) is a licenced product and all service providors and EMC's must obey and conform to this licence.
Certain proposed changes to the system (in Ireland) must go through PHECC and HIQA, the recent Aspirin protocol for example.
All service providors and operators (EMC's) must meet the criteria of the licence and are regulated.

As it stands in Ireland, Alpha and Omega graded calls are 'cold' response calls, no blue lights and/or sirens.
Any Providor/Manager/Officer who issues an instruction to disobey their AMPDS licence are in breach of that licence and are not conforming to regulation and they may be putting crews lives and other lives in danger.

Personally I would direct any such instruction to Health & Safety without delay.

Lads am I correct in thinking that there are rules and regs regarding when or if you can put on your blues and Twos?

Or is this a joke, I really hope its a joke, i thought you guys driving such vehicles were under enough pressure than to be dealing with all that BS.

goldie fish · 05-09-2011 09:35PM

kub wrote: »

Lads am I correct in thinking that there are rules and regs regarding when or if you can put on your blues and Twos?

Or is this a joke, I really hope its a joke, i thought you guys driving such vehicles were under enough pressure than to be dealing with all that BS.

When Ambulance drivers get prosecuted for crashing into a car while attending to an emergency on blues and twos, unfortunately, you need rules.

The average motorist is an idiot. The state WILL compensate them for being so.

kub · 05-09-2011 09:50PM

My God, that is crazy. So an idiot can be driving along without paying due care and attention,the volume on the radio up full whack etc, goes through (for example) a Stop sign without actually stopping and does not notice the ambulance with the necessary noise and lights and bang.

Then its all the ambulance guys fault, for going too fast because the patient in the back was at deaths door, or was under pressure due to the shortage of crews out there etc.

This is very interesting actually, if you are an employee and you injure yourself in the course of your employment, you can bring your employer to court for compensation.

So having to put up with this BS, and should guys find themselves in the position of being prosecuted either by AGS or worse by the H & S brigade (there are other words I would love to use to describe this shower, but out of respect to you all I won't).
Could they not point the finger of blame at their employer. for putting them in that position?

Bang Bang · 05-09-2011 10:22PM

kub wrote: »

Lads am I correct in thinking that there are rules and regs regarding when or if you can put on your blues and Twos?

Or is this a joke, I really hope its a joke, i thought you guys driving such vehicles were under enough pressure than to be dealing with all that BS.

How do you figure that it's 'BS'?
Not all 'Emergency' calls are actual emergencies, any Paramedic can tell you the number of calls received for cut fingers, four month long abdo pains, I got a call one night for someone having a nightmare!! The list goes on.
So why should you respond to any minor injuries or illness' on lights and sirens?

As for stress whilst driving under emergency conditions, yes this can be true, so the AMPDS allows for quite a number of calls to be responded under 'cold' far less stressful conditions (minor injuries and ilness') thus it actually aids the welfare, health & safety of Paramedics, not forgetting reducing the risk of other road users being injured in the event of an accident involving an ambulance.
Remember that those minor injuries and illness' only end up joining the queue in the waiting room, so how can you justify an emergency 'lights' and sirens' journey to the waiting room?

In my opinion if a Paramedic chooses to transport a definite Alpha or Omega grade patient to hospital using blue lights and sirens and is involved in an accident then they should be investigated by their employer and the law.

kub · 05-09-2011 11:29PM

Bang Bang wrote: »

How do you figure that it's 'BS'?
Not all 'Emergency' calls are actual emergencies, any Paramedic can tell you the number of calls received for cut fingers, four month long abdo pains, I got a call one night for someone having a nightmare!! The list goes on.
So why should you respond to any minor injuries or illness' on lights and sirens?

As for stress whilst driving under emergency conditions, yes this can be true, so the AMPDS allows for quite a number of calls to be responded under 'cold' far less stressful conditions (minor injuries and ilness') thus it actually aids the welfare, health & safety of Paramedics, not forgetting reducing the risk of other road users being injured in the event of an accident involving an ambulance.
Remember that those minor injuries and illness' only end up joining the queue in the waiting room, so how can you justify an emergency 'lights' and sirens' journey to the waiting room?

In my opinion if a Paramedic chooses to transport a definite Alpha or Omega grade patient to hospital using blue lights and sirens and is involved in an accident then they should be investigated by their employer and the law.

Ok Bang Bang I am not an ES worker, but I do admire all you guys for having the balls to do the jobs ye do.
Therefore looking in from outside, I would have thought that paramedics are sensible people and would only use blues and twos in certain circumstances.
I grew up close to one of the largest a&e's in the country and I know that not all ambulances heading there were under b&t's. (honestly thought that was because the poor person in the back was after dying).
So I take it from your post so that there are various grades regarding each call out with the various star trek type terminology.
Is this really necessary? I mean are the crews in these vehicles not professional enough to know when and when not to cause a racket?

scholar007 · 06-09-2011 10:19AM

goldie fish wrote: »

When Ambulance drivers get prosecuted for crashing into a car while attending to an emergency on blues and twos, unfortunately, you need rules.

The average motorist is an idiot. The state WILL compensate them for being so.

What's an ambulance driver?
I only know EMTs, Paramedics & Advanced Paramedics.

Bang Bang · 06-09-2011 11:45AM

kub wrote: »

Is this really necessary? I mean are the crews in these vehicles not professional enough to know when and when not to cause a racket?

The crews in the vehicles are not the people who process the calls, the calls are processed through the Command & Control Center using the AMPDS and ProQA, this is the system as explained already that grades the calls. The call and call grade are then passed by the EMC (Emergency Medical Controller) to the crew via radio, pager or phone.

If your comment is in relation to a crew transporting to hospital a definite Alpha or Omega graded patient then yes they should be professional enough to know better, I believe I covered this in my previous post.

goldie fish · 06-09-2011 07:49PM

scholar007 wrote: »

What's an ambulance driver?
I only know EMTs, Paramedics & Advanced Paramedics.

A person who drives an ambulance. They werent always EMTs you know.

scholar007 · 06-09-2011 08:49PM

goldie fish wrote: »

A person who drives an ambulance. They werent always EMTs you know.

Ah but I hear umbrage is taken if any EMTs, Paramedics, or APs are referred to as Ambo drivers.

999nobody · 08-09-2011 06:40PM

scholar007 wrote: »

Ah but I hear umbrage is taken if any EMTs, Paramedics, or APs are referred to as Ambo drivers.

It's merely professional courtesy to refer to someone by their correct title, i.e. Guard, firefighter, nurse, teacher etc

Ziycon · 09-09-2011 01:27PM

Based on what I've read here, for example the DFB protocols, you have to respond to all calls on blues but when you get there and asses the situation its up to the AMPDS to decide how you proceed from the incident?

Burnt · 09-09-2011 03:40PM

Speaking of accidents involving emergency vehicles, here is a BBC Report on
unfortunately a fatal RTC between a Fire Engine, responding to a child trapped
in a separate RTC, and a Yaris in Basildon Essex England today.

Blues & twos

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