9/11 Ten years on.....

squod · 04-09-2011 08:00PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3GpbBtCx7Q

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

We have to deal with these "loose change" people now. :mad:

People who watched the local channels during the Waco siege were later called conspiracy nuts by the major news networks. A couple of VHS tapes that hit the web in the mid nineties shut them up.

donvito99 · 04-09-2011 08:06PM

I was seven at the time... took me a few years to realise that it wasn't Afghanistan itself that masterminded the attacks, merely some mad folks residing there.

Still to this day I feel uncomfortable watching 9/11 documentaries, I just get a sick, nervous like feeling while watching. Looking back on what happened, you couldn't write that s.hit in a book if you tried..

And the fact that almost everything came together for the attackers, apart from United 93, is incredible, two take down to massive towers, hit the pentagon, and have the president on the run for a few days is mindblowing.

The Waltzing Consumer · 04-09-2011 08:12PM

squod wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3GpbBtCx7Q

People who watched the local channels during the Waco siege were later called conspiracy nuts by the major news networks. A couple of VHS tapes that hit the web in the mid nineties shut them up.

very worthy of inclusion in this debate, do you have the roswell tape too? :rolleyes:

squod · 04-09-2011 08:19PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

very worthy of inclusion in this debate, do you have the roswell tape too? :rolleyes:

Lol. You know what I mean. One sided debate as soon as you label anyone a ''conspiracy nut''. Might as well label anyone who believed the major news networks in February of 1993 as ''nut-jobs''. Personally not interested in 9/11 though.

Muckie · 04-09-2011 08:23PM

Bin Laden family been flowen out the day after the attacks.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bin_laden_fbi_let_charter_flight_after_911.htm

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message202140/pg1

FROM THE HILL.com

"Richard Clarke, who served as President Bush’s chief of counterterrorism, has claimed sole responsibility for approving flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

USA PATRIOT Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

Truth is sometimes worse than fiction

Opium production increased after 911 and no weapons of Mass Destruction discoveried in Iraq

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/27/afghanistan.drugstrade

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/

Feel really sorry for the young men and their families who have lost their lives been used by their Goverment to "Fight this War on Terror"

ejmaztec · 04-09-2011 08:24PM

The Scientician wrote: »

Hmmm terrorist was a pretty common word previous to September 11th.

I think that after 9/11 they decided to call them insurgents instead of terrorists, so that changed for some odd reason.

deepertheroots · 04-09-2011 08:26PM

You would think the white house would be target number one for the suicide bombers!

Tar.Aldarion · 04-09-2011 08:27PM

i been programming too much when i see 9/11 and start thinking that 9 divided by 11 is not 10.

remember being in school hearing about it so well

Chris P. Bacon · 04-09-2011 08:27PM

IsMiseLisa wrote: »

But no, my life hasn't been affected. That said, I was 10 when 9/11 happened,

donvito99 wrote: »

I was seven at the time...

I feel really old,and i was 20 when it happened.

Jesus Wept · 04-09-2011 08:32PM

Saila wrote: »

yep, changed the world completely

Really?! How so?
I think the vast majority of the population of the world have been largely if not practically entirely unaffected by it let alone changing the world 'completely'.

Fozzydog3 · 04-09-2011 08:46PM

One thing that absolutely fcuking sickens me is for years after they wouldnt show films like independence day or die hard because it slightly resembles the 9/11 attacks , but every year they pump out computer games about their facist takeover because its only brown people getting killed .

I wouldnt be surprised if in 100 years time people seen the American flag as synonymous to the swastika .

P.S Well an inside job a la Gulf Of Tonkin Incident

Crazy Horse 6 · 04-09-2011 08:56PM

Lived in Brooklyn on 9/11 and remember watching the towers fall. When i look back at the times after it happened i think the world and Americans in particular are a bunch of drama queens. 10 times the amount of people die in the US every year from gunshots than died on September the 11th.

Latchy · 04-09-2011 08:58PM

donvito99 wrote: »

Still to this day I feel uncomfortable watching 9/11 documentaries, I just get a sick, nervous like feeling while watching. Looking back on what happened, you couldn't write that s.hit in a book if you tried..

My sentimets to ...you just couldn't make it up and those disturbing images will be shown over and over again , a million times to remind the world now and future generations .

The overall impression from watcing these documentries is the whole feeling of helplesness as we view them but nothing compared to those fireman ,police , any and everybody who was there watching it all happen before their eyes .

And the fact that almost everything came together for the attackers, apart from United 93, is incredible, two take down to massive towers, hit the pentagon, and have the president on the run for a few days is mindblowing.

How a handful of people manged to breech a countrys security and in a few hrs , destroy thousends of lives as well as the symbol of power and strength.We knew then that the United States was not some sort of impregnable fortress .

On the day itself ,I was working as a steward on the ferry that had just left Dublin port for Liverpool when the first plane hit the tower .

johngalway · 04-09-2011 08:59PM

orangebud wrote: »

911 started the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and soon Syria

Nope. W would have invaded Iraq had martians invaded Iceland, or Offaly invaded Zimbabwe, or even if the Pope had been Catholic. W was hell bent on avenging Saddams plan, which would have succeeded only for the intervention of Kuwaiti agents, to blow up President Bush 1 with a car bomb during a visit to Kuwait.

Muckie wrote: »

FROM THE HILL.com

"Richard Clarke, who served as President Bush’s chief of counterterrorism, has claimed sole responsibility for approving flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

I don't know how you, or they, mean the above to sound. But, you, and anyone else with even a passing interest in 9/11 should read Richard Clarkes book "Against All Enemies".

Zebra3 · 04-09-2011 09:00PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

9/11 caused so many people to become absolute bonkers with conspiracy theories and completely ridiculous tinfoil hat wearing attitudes.

Yep, one evil group of vermin used it as an excuse to invade Iraq.

Sickening. :mad:

Latchy · 04-09-2011 09:02PM

Fozzydog3 wrote: »

P.S Well an inside job a la Gulf Of Tonkin Incident

And it took till the end of his presidency for Lyndon johnson to admit that their was no attack on the USS Maddox .

amacachi · 04-09-2011 09:03PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Lived in Brooklyn on 9/11 and remember watching the towers fall. When i look back at the times after it happened i think the world and Americans in particular are a bunch of drama queens. 10 times the amount of people die in the US every year from gunshots than died on September the 11th.

While it's not a perfect argument the fact that 10 times as many also die in car crashes each year in the US than in 9/11 also makes it somewhat ironic when they struggle to pass laws or regulations making the car companies add inexpensive safety devices.

orangebud · 04-09-2011 09:27PM

anyone been watching this guy on youtube?
Interesting stuff he covers and well investigated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbXUo8cyoFo

Mahatma coat · 04-09-2011 09:27PM

They Invaded Afghanistan & Iraq, they have made covert Strikes on Pakistan & Yemen and they continually throw shapes at Iran

Yet they have made no atempt to censure the nations that provided the people who actually did it - Saudi Arabia

or the Nation that organised and orchstrated the Logistics - Israel

What 9/11 did was Ramp up the Bullsh!t machine that is the MSM to 11

many people who speak thetruth are decried as 'Conspiracy Loons' there is no rebuttal of their points, just adHomenim attacks.

BTW Jim Corr played the Guitar not the Drums, the crazy Drummer is a standard adHomenim trotted out by people who heard it somewhere else but are too ignorant to research things for themselves and just trot out the same tired lines thinking that they are being 'clever' but they are just reinforcing the Lies and Bullsh!t

My name is URL · 04-09-2011 09:31PM

orourkeda wrote: »

In what sense?

For all sorts of practical reasons the september 11 attacks have had implications.

In loads of ways. The way in which information is disseminated and discussed over the last couple of years has changed dramatically. Everyone is made to feel like they have a voice in where we are headed. As long as we're busy debating, the real calls can be made by our betters, though. **** like this is going to become the norm in geopolitical affairs in the near future. Commercialised interference, and biased too!.. it won't end well.

Look at all the talk of how 'rebel' forces are close to reclaiming Libya. They're also in the process of murdering each other (because loads of rebel groups, now armed; are vying for power), and rounding up black Africans essentially because they are black. But the West has done its bit, and the newly armed factional groups of 'rebels' with disparate outlooks will soon be the recognized government of Libya. Progress at any cost, and make people feel like they are the progressive ones.

R P McMurphy · 04-09-2011 09:36PM

Before 9/11 when I would see an unattended bag I would be thinking 'nice one I'll be having whatever is in that', now I am too scared to steal it or the contents in case it could be a bomb

UglyBolloxFace · 04-09-2011 09:42PM

Slightly off-topic...actually, wait, it's not...but what's with this "September 11th security fee" payable when flying to the US? Aer Lingus is one of many airlines who charge it.

This money is used to inject funds into the TSA molesters!

orourkeda · 04-09-2011 09:46PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Lol, how is that an opposite and why does there need to be an opposite? People are just mentioning how things are different post 9/11. One way is that Jim Corr and his merry band of conspiracy nuts went wacko.

You're the one labelling people "wacko" and "conspiracy nuts".

My question\insinuation was that the response by the people in charge was to fight three different wars.

EarlERizer · 04-09-2011 09:48PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Before 9/11 when I would see an unattended bag I would be thinking 'nice one I'll be having whatever is in that', now I am too scared to steal it or the contents in case it could be a bomb

Off topic: That line is delivered so much better in a stand up routine , only heard it the other night on BBC's 'Live at the Fringe'.

Tipsy McSwagger · 04-09-2011 10:04PM

Why don't we call it 11/9?

Mr. Boo · 05-09-2011 02:58AM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Why don't we call it 11/9?

That would be unAmerican. What are you, a terrorist?!!

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 05-09-2011 05:28AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

They Invaded Afghanistan & Iraq, they have made covert Strikes on Pakistan & Yemen and they continually throw shapes at Iran

Yet they have made no atempt to censure the nations that provided the people who actually did it - Saudi Arabia

or the Nation that organised and orchstrated the Logistics - Israel

stopped reading right there. lol'ing at the conspiracy nuts in this here thread, is The Waltzing Consumer the only sane one.

Manic Moran · 05-09-2011 07:03AM

IsMiseLisa wrote: »

That said, I was 10 when 9/11 happened, so y'know, these last ten years have been half my life and kinda massive.

I think that's part of the tragedy. Today's young adults have known nothing but the post-9/11 environment. I have young troopers in my unit for whom the US Army has been at war as long as they can remember. Now, granted, today's young adults also know nothing about the happy simplicity of the Cold War environment, and even most of today's older adults know nothing about hot war environments like Korea or WWII, so it's not necessarily a bad thing in itself, it's just that Post-9/11 is all they have an ability to reflect upon. 9/11 may have changed the world for some of us, but for others, it was ten years ago. Ancient history, what's all the fuss about? 3,000 people killed isn't that much compared to some wars we've read about...

NTM

Manic Moran · 05-09-2011 07:10AM

Latchy wrote: »

And it took till the end of his presidency for Lyndon johnson to admit that their was no attack on the USS Maddox .

That's not entirely accurate. Maddox was attacked on 02AUG64, and had the battle damage to prove it. Maddox was not attacked on 04AUG64, though the crew at the time were convinced that they were.

Photo of the 02AUG battle
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g700000/g711523.jpg

NTM

Executive Steve · 05-09-2011 09:06AM

Interesting article from Foreign Policy magazine here, basically argues that 9/11 isn't even in the top ten of the most significant geopolitical / social / technological developments of the past decade:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/29/the_black_hole_of_911

And here is a very good article from Slate arguing that the complete loss of perspective that followed 9/11:

http://www.slate.com/id/2302754/?from=rss

9/11 Ten years on.....

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