9/11 Ten years on.....

AudreyHepburn

I'm not sure if AH is the right place for this so if not please move!

As we approach the tenth anniversary of the September the 11th attacks I can't help thinking that world has changed completely since then. I think that things would be very different in many ways if those planes had never hit the WTC.

Air Travel for one will never be the same, words like Jihad, terrorist, Al-Qaeda are now commonplace in our vocabularies, the date September 11th will always now be associated with death, terror, evil etc.

I'm just curious as to other people's opinions? Do you think the world has changed? How would things be if the attacks never happened? Has you life personally been affected?

Also I can't be alone in thinking how fast those ten years went?

Saila

yep, changed the world completely

IsMiseLisa

Oh, Jaysus. After Hours really isn't the right place for this.

But no, my life hasn't been affected. That said, I was 10 when 9/11 happened, so y'know, these last ten years have been half my life and kinda massive.

Kevin Duffy

It didn't change the world. It further entrenched a suspicious American world view, heightened security concerns for air travel and drew the US into their "War on Terror". Other than that, we've pretty much carried on as normal.

fedor.2.

I just cant believe its been 10 years to be honest

Zamboni

I'd probably be as indifferent to 9/11 as most people are to the multitude of current atrocities are occurring in plenty of other countries around the globe.

Captain_Generic

You can't leave a cardboard box in public with wires hanging out of it, even if you just put it down for a second to scratch your arse on the way back from the wire shop

orangebud

911 started the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and soon Syria but feck it who cares the premiership is back next weekend

The Scientician

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm not sure if AH is the right place for this so if not please move!

As we approach the tenth anniversary of the September the 11th attacks I can't help thinking that world has changed completely since then. I think that things would be very different in many ways if those planes had never hit the WTC.

Air Travel for one will never be the same, words like Jihad, terrorist, Al-Qaeda are now commonplace in our vocabularies, the date September 11th will always now be associated with death, terror, evil etc.

I'm just curious as to other people's opinions? Do you think the world has changed? How would things be if the attacks never happened? Has you life personally been affected?

Also I can't be alone in thinking how fast those ten years went?

Hmmm terrorist was a pretty common word previous to September 11th.

Kevin Duffy

Captain_Generic wrote: »

You can't leave a cardboard box in public with wires hanging out of it, even if you just put it down for a second to scratch your arse on the way back from the wire shop

Let people know you'll only be there for a short time by placing a conspicuous alarm clock on top of the box, with a pre-set time marked on it which the second hand will tick towards. It'll reassure the suspicious.

My name is URL

The internet has had a far far bigger effect on the world over the last 10 years than 9/11 had, imo.

Saila

The Scientician wrote: »

Hmmm terrorist was a pretty common word previous to September 11th.

and so were hijackings, the whole flying them into buildings was new though

orourkeda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOo06EOLBuY

orourkeda

My name is URL wrote: »

The internet has had a far far bigger effect on the world over the last 10 years than 9/11 had, imo.

In what sense?

For all sorts of practical reasons the september 11 attacks have had implications.

orourkeda

Zamboni wrote: »

I'd probably be as indifferent to 9/11 as most people are to the multitude of current atrocities are occurring in plenty of other countries around the globe.

Therein lies a certain hypocrisy alright

Eggy Baby!

*waits for armchair Jihadist comment*

Riesen_Meal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QukKjwLtI

The Waltzing Consumer

9/11 caused so many people to become absolute bonkers with conspiracy theories and completely ridiculous tinfoil hat wearing attitudes.

It turned a normal drummer in a pop group into a complete wacko who wears sunglasses all the time.

So thank you 9/11 :mad:

We have to deal with these "loose change" people now. :mad:

The Waltzing Consumer

oh, hi fieldog

Kylo Ren

Fieldog wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QukKjwLtI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M

Riesen_Meal

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

oh, hi fieldog

Not normally a conspiracy nut but that documentary actually makes a lot of sense....


dun dun dun....

Aldebaran

What's the difference between 9/11 and a cow?

You stop milking a cow after 10 years.

orourkeda

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

9/11 caused so many people to become absolute bonkers with conspiracy theories and completely ridiculous tinfoil hat wearing attitudes.

It turned a normal drummer in a pop group into a complete wacko who wears sunglasses all the time.

So thank you 9/11 :mad:

We have to deal with these "loose change" people now. :mad:

As opposed to right wing war mongering US presidents who have absolutely no hesitation fighting wars on three fronts

orourkeda

Fieldog wrote: »

Not normally a conspiracy nut but that documentary actually makes a lot of sense....


dun dun dun....

Its not as loopy as it is made out.

Whether you agree with it or not is another matter but its not completely off the wall

suspectdevice

eh, it has had a major impact

it has taken away fundamental freedom in places like america, australia, the uk.

it has demonised people whose religious beliefs are no more extraordinary than 80% of the american and most of ireland

it has opened up the opportunity for corporations to get their hands on oil that would never have been theirs

has it had an impact? changed the world forever, and ever, and ever

cena

I think I change everything in the world. I have a cousin that was too be there that day but ended up have a school meeting. Have an other cousin thats a fireman in new york and wanted too go but his wife stopped him as he had young kids than.

Went too the museum of 9/11 last yearand all I found my self crying the hole time I was there. If ye ever get the chance too go. I differently say go. Its past of world history.

The Waltzing Consumer

orourkeda wrote: »

As opposed to right wing war mongering US presidents who have absolutely no hesitation fighting wars on three fronts

Lol, how is that an opposite and why does there need to be an opposite? People are just mentioning how things are different post 9/11. One way is that Jim Corr and his merry band of conspiracy nuts went wacko.

Barrt2

It was a fast ten years. That is all..

The_Kew_Tour

9/11 while it was terrible and I have only great sympathy for all those who were killed and for those who last their Mum,Dad, brothers, sisters and friends.

But serious things happen every hour of every day i am afraid.

I had a previous job which brought me to countries and the things I saw were nothing short of terrifying.

Seen people shot, hanged(incident people in this case) raped, burnt.

Maybe the worst and the story that still haunts me the most was time I was in African country. Anyway we arrived in this area after been told that a massive massacre had happened and we needed find out more. What we found I cannot describe properly. It was a burnt out church where there was up to 70 children burned alive by an army. Man to this day I still have those pictures of these poor Children with no hope. I find it hard even explain anymore.

Now while I do think 9/11 was bad things like this happen so often the sad thing is they happen in countries nobody cares about.

This world is one cruel one..

John Doe1

9/11 was overrated, i preferred oklohoma

merengueca

I remember walking out of a travel agents in Manchester after picking up tickets for the ferry home, turned on the car radio and heard what was going on. Got a call from a girl at work asking if she could use my computer to have a look at the internet to see what was going on (mine was the only computer in the office that had internet access). Two days later driving up from Dublin to Offaly on the old road through Enfield, Kinnegad, Tyrellpass etc with no petrol stations open as it was an official day of mourning.

10 years later still doing the same journey on a regular basis though haven't been in a travel agent in years (that was probably the last time), now the boss and staff now all have smart phones never mind desktops with internet access. The drive home is now motorway all the way.

It seems like Irelands boom was only just starting back then and now, well fair to say the boom is well and truly over.

I was just using the momentous date to then v now comparison.

squod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3GpbBtCx7Q

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

We have to deal with these "loose change" people now. :mad:

People who watched the local channels during the Waco siege were later called conspiracy nuts by the major news networks. A couple of VHS tapes that hit the web in the mid nineties shut them up.

donvito99

I was seven at the time... took me a few years to realise that it wasn't Afghanistan itself that masterminded the attacks, merely some mad folks residing there.

Still to this day I feel uncomfortable watching 9/11 documentaries, I just get a sick, nervous like feeling while watching. Looking back on what happened, you couldn't write that s.hit in a book if you tried..


And the fact that almost everything came together for the attackers, apart from United 93, is incredible, two take down to massive towers, hit the pentagon, and have the president on the run for a few days is mindblowing.

The Waltzing Consumer

squod wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3GpbBtCx7Q

People who watched the local channels during the Waco siege were later called conspiracy nuts by the major news networks. A couple of VHS tapes that hit the web in the mid nineties shut them up.

very worthy of inclusion in this debate, do you have the roswell tape too? :rolleyes:

squod

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

very worthy of inclusion in this debate, do you have the roswell tape too? :rolleyes:

Lol. You know what I mean. One sided debate as soon as you label anyone a ''conspiracy nut''. Might as well label anyone who believed the major news networks in February of 1993 as ''nut-jobs''. Personally not interested in 9/11 though.

Muckie

Bin Laden family been flowen out the day after the attacks.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bin_laden_fbi_let_charter_flight_after_911.htm

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message202140/pg1

FROM THE HILL.com

"Richard Clarke, who served as President Bush’s chief of counterterrorism, has claimed sole responsibility for approving flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

USA PATRIOT Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

Truth is sometimes worse than fiction

Opium production increased after 911 and no weapons of Mass Destruction discoveried in Iraq

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/27/afghanistan.drugstrade

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/

Feel really sorry for the young men and their families who have lost their lives been used by their Goverment to "Fight this War on Terror"

ejmaztec

The Scientician wrote: »

Hmmm terrorist was a pretty common word previous to September 11th.

I think that after 9/11 they decided to call them insurgents instead of terrorists, so that changed for some odd reason.

deepertheroots

You would think the white house would be target number one for the suicide bombers!

Tar.Aldarion

i been programming too much when i see 9/11 and start thinking that 9 divided by 11 is not 10.


remember being in school hearing about it so well

Chris P. Bacon

IsMiseLisa wrote: »

But no, my life hasn't been affected. That said, I was 10 when 9/11 happened,

donvito99 wrote: »

I was seven at the time...

I feel really old,and i was 20 when it happened.

Jesus Wept

Saila wrote: »

yep, changed the world completely

Really?! How so?
I think the vast majority of the population of the world have been largely if not practically entirely unaffected by it let alone changing the world 'completely'.

Fozzydog3

One thing that absolutely fcuking sickens me is for years after they wouldnt show films like independence day or die hard because it slightly resembles the 9/11 attacks , but every year they pump out computer games about their facist takeover because its only brown people getting killed .

I wouldnt be surprised if in 100 years time people seen the American flag as synonymous to the swastika .



P.S Well an inside job a la Gulf Of Tonkin Incident

Crazy Horse 6

Lived in Brooklyn on 9/11 and remember watching the towers fall. When i look back at the times after it happened i think the world and Americans in particular are a bunch of drama queens. 10 times the amount of people die in the US every year from gunshots than died on September the 11th.

Latchy

donvito99 wrote: »

Still to this day I feel uncomfortable watching 9/11 documentaries, I just get a sick, nervous like feeling while watching. Looking back on what happened, you couldn't write that s.hit in a book if you tried..

My sentimets to ...you just couldn't make it up and those disturbing images will be shown over and over again , a million times to remind the world now and future generations .

The overall impression from watcing these documentries is the whole feeling of helplesness as we view them but nothing compared to those fireman ,police , any and everybody who was there watching it all happen before their eyes .

And the fact that almost everything came together for the attackers, apart from United 93, is incredible, two take down to massive towers, hit the pentagon, and have the president on the run for a few days is mindblowing.

How a handful of people manged to breech a countrys security and in a few hrs , destroy thousends of lives as well as the symbol of power and strength.We knew then that the United States was not some sort of impregnable fortress .

On the day itself ,I was working as a steward on the ferry that had just left Dublin port for Liverpool when the first plane hit the tower .

johngalway

orangebud wrote: »

911 started the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and soon Syria

Nope. W would have invaded Iraq had martians invaded Iceland, or Offaly invaded Zimbabwe, or even if the Pope had been Catholic. W was hell bent on avenging Saddams plan, which would have succeeded only for the intervention of Kuwaiti agents, to blow up President Bush 1 with a car bomb during a visit to Kuwait.

Muckie wrote: »

FROM THE HILL.com

"Richard Clarke, who served as President Bush’s chief of counterterrorism, has claimed sole responsibility for approving flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

I don't know how you, or they, mean the above to sound. But, you, and anyone else with even a passing interest in 9/11 should read Richard Clarkes book "Against All Enemies".

Zebra3

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

9/11 caused so many people to become absolute bonkers with conspiracy theories and completely ridiculous tinfoil hat wearing attitudes.

Yep, one evil group of vermin used it as an excuse to invade Iraq.

Sickening. :mad:

Latchy

Fozzydog3 wrote: »

P.S Well an inside job a la Gulf Of Tonkin Incident

And it took till the end of his presidency for Lyndon johnson to admit that their was no attack on the USS Maddox .

amacachi

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Lived in Brooklyn on 9/11 and remember watching the towers fall. When i look back at the times after it happened i think the world and Americans in particular are a bunch of drama queens. 10 times the amount of people die in the US every year from gunshots than died on September the 11th.

While it's not a perfect argument the fact that 10 times as many also die in car crashes each year in the US than in 9/11 also makes it somewhat ironic when they struggle to pass laws or regulations making the car companies add inexpensive safety devices.

orangebud

anyone been watching this guy on youtube?
Interesting stuff he covers and well investigated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbXUo8cyoFo

Mahatma coat

They Invaded Afghanistan & Iraq, they have made covert Strikes on Pakistan & Yemen and they continually throw shapes at Iran

Yet they have made no atempt to censure the nations that provided the people who actually did it - Saudi Arabia

or the Nation that organised and orchstrated the Logistics - Israel


What 9/11 did was Ramp up the Bullsh!t machine that is the MSM to 11

many people who speak thetruth are decried as 'Conspiracy Loons' there is no rebuttal of their points, just adHomenim attacks.

BTW Jim Corr played the Guitar not the Drums, the crazy Drummer is a standard adHomenim trotted out by people who heard it somewhere else but are too ignorant to research things for themselves and just trot out the same tired lines thinking that they are being 'clever' but they are just reinforcing the Lies and Bullsh!t

My name is URL

orourkeda wrote: »

In what sense?

For all sorts of practical reasons the september 11 attacks have had implications.

In loads of ways. The way in which information is disseminated and discussed over the last couple of years has changed dramatically. Everyone is made to feel like they have a voice in where we are headed. As long as we're busy debating, the real calls can be made by our betters, though. **** like this is going to become the norm in geopolitical affairs in the near future. Commercialised interference, and biased too!.. it won't end well.

Look at all the talk of how 'rebel' forces are close to reclaiming Libya. They're also in the process of murdering each other (because loads of rebel groups, now armed; are vying for power), and rounding up black Africans essentially because they are black. But the West has done its bit, and the newly armed factional groups of 'rebels' with disparate outlooks will soon be the recognized government of Libya. Progress at any cost, and make people feel like they are the progressive ones.