What's with this Ogle guy?

Monty Burnz · 31-08-2011 10:42PM

jack presley wrote: »

And how exactly would the power get to your houses? You kind of need all those ESB poles and wires!

The network aspect is separated from power generation. You have a transmission network operator (Eirgrid) and a distribution network operator (ESB Networks). You can easily and neatly make these into separate companies. The whole power generation company/companies would be in a competitive market.

jack presley · 31-08-2011 10:54PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The network aspect is separated from power generation. You have a transmission network operator (Eirgrid) and a distribution network operator (ESB Networks). You can easily and neatly make these into separate companies. The whole power generation company/companies would be in a competitive market.

What year are you just waking up from?

Eirgrid and ESBN are already separate companies and have been for about 5 years now.

And there is competition in generation so they are already in a competitive market (again, for a good few years at this stage)

The_Thing · 31-08-2011 11:24PM

Fair play to the workers for sticking up for themseleves. I don't begrudge them a single cent of their earnings.

If anyone doesn't like the way things are done at the ESB they are free to buy a generator and green diesel to generate their own electricity.

Solnskaya · 01-09-2011 12:00AM

The_Thing wrote: »

Fair play to the workers for sticking up for themseleves. I don't begrudge them a single cent of their earnings.

If anyone doesn't like the way things are done at the ESB they are free to buy a generator and green diesel to generate their own electricity.

not to call this post dumb, but man, this post is dummmmb. "if you don't like it the way it is here, feck off and emigrate, blah, blah, mong, spa, blah,blah,fap, donk.

Monty Burnz · 01-09-2011 12:08AM

jack presley wrote: »

What year are you just waking up from?

Eirgrid and ESBN are already separate companies and have been for about 5 years now.

And there is competition in generation so they are already in a competitive market (again, for a good few years at this stage)

This from the guy who just asked me how to get power to houses without 'ESB poles'?

I was referring to floating PowerGen separately from the rest of the ESB group. And I suggest you check who owns ESB Networks. Do the words 'wholly owned subsidiary' mean anything to you? :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz · 01-09-2011 12:24AM

The_Thing wrote: »

Fair play to the workers for sticking up for themseleves. I don't begrudge them a single cent of their earnings.

There's nothing quite like seeing a member of the public bent over and rogered...and liking it. But pardon the rest of us if we object to them doing the same to us.

FlutterinBantam · 01-09-2011 06:49AM

Nodin wrote: »

Did I refer to the ESB? No, I referred to the possible intentions behind the thread. I stated that it was in reality and in part an attempt to start a PS bashing thread, and behold, what do we have in post 47?

Good man yourself, try to turn every thread argument onto the head of a pin.

In your opinion saying that the various bodies quoted "are good at their job, just cost too much" is Public Service bashing!!!!

Don't know what standards you have mate, but most people in this country paying taxes would agree with that.

Now back on topic..... Why are the ESB = us the consumer paying Ogle's wages?

Is he an employee of the ESB?

jack presley · 01-09-2011 06:52AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

And I suggest you check who owns ESB Networks. Do the words 'wholly owned subsidiary' mean anything to you? :rolleyes:

Yes, ESB Networks are owned by the ESB group but Eirgrid are 100% a separate company that has its own board etc. and does not report to ESB in any way. Ok, both ESB and EirGrid are owned by the government but then again, isn't every semi-state?

EDIT - EirGrid already operate the transmission network and ESBN the distribution so apart from the ownership issue, no change required there.

Isabella1988 · 01-09-2011 07:23AM

nt sure wat r u guys talking abt~!

Nodin · 01-09-2011 09:40AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Good man yourself, try to turn every thread argument onto the head of a pin.

............?

You mean ask questions and the like? Yeah, thats me. I just won't stop the whole 'think' business.

FlutterinBantam · 02-09-2011 12:23AM

Nodin wrote: »

You mean ask questions and the like? Yeah, thats me. I just won't stop the whole 'think' business.

Well maybe you should 'think' before you post then, and actually address the issue which is being discussed,which is:

Why it this person being payed by the ESB?

Fulton Crown · 04-09-2011 07:31AM

Fair play to the Indo for running with this one ,,,probably nothing will happen though.

I see this geezer has kept his "job" with just a mild slap on the wrist from the "Beards".

Probably take the usual approach in this thing.....sit tight close butt hole and wait for the storm to blow over.

Think Fas man and the Audi 6........

Think Fingers and the watch....etc etc.

Think "The Beards" on that Fas training issue..........

Think Bord Gais on the €1000.00 chairs.........

Fulton Crown · 04-09-2011 07:33AM

Nodin wrote: »

You mean ask questions and the like? Yeah, thats me. I just won't stop the whole 'think' business.

How about answering a few questions pal...just fer a change like ......

FlutterinBantam · 04-09-2011 12:16PM

Hmmm..... Ogle is now on Marian Finucane saying he has apologised to ESB staff.

Trying to weasel out of his remarks.

All a game it seems to him.

Wonder will Marzie ask the hard questions.?

Tune in.

Wertz · 04-09-2011 12:20PM

What an attempt at obfuscation and bluster...the old "everyone partied" line.
Finnucane might rip him a new one like she did with that lawyer guy earlier but it won't chnage a thing...this fella sounds like he's from up my way...

Interesting that they lead this piece with a reference to the rail strikes that Ogle overseen...

Monty Burnz · 04-09-2011 12:26PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Hmmm..... Ogle is now on Marian Finucane saying he has apologised to ESB staff.

Trying to weasel out of his remarks.

All a game it seems to him.

Wonder will Marzie ask the hard questions.?

Tune in.

I'd be willing to wager that Finucane is the best paid public servant in Ireland. She does 4 hours or so per week for about 40 weeks of the year - totalling about 160 hours. And she gets paid about 400k. I make that about 2.5k per hour.

But no, I don't think she'll ask the hard questions, because while the ESB is a cushy but well-run organisation, RTE is a very cushy and badly run organisation, as demonstrated by her salary.

FlutterinBantam · 04-09-2011 12:31PM

In fairness she is trying to nail him.

The should be no doubt, he want's the status quo,which of course fills the pockets of a workforce which is in a privileged position.

What this guy want's it seems to me is stupidity.

Blames the media, blames anyone but his own philosophies for the mess we are in.

Competition Brenno, she is coming buddy,your position of power is crumbling.

Which would favour John Q Taxpayer who has to pay, and not your geezer in the ESB who is high on the hog's back.

Simples.

opinion guy · 04-09-2011 01:07PM

Just read the thread.

I get the distinct impression that those who are disagreeing with Flutter have not viewed the youtube video of Ogle's 'speech' upon which this current controversy is based. I suspect you will be giving flutter alot less grief after you've seen just how scary this dude is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrpUUzRPPAo

FlutterinBantam · 04-09-2011 02:16PM

:eek:

never saw that vid.

What a toootal fcuking plonker.

People actually listen to this rhetoric?

Man, we are really screwed.

opinion guy · 04-09-2011 02:31PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

:eek:

never saw that vid.

What a toootal fcuking plonker.

People actually listen to this rhetoric?

Man, we are really screwed.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrpUUzRPPAo

This geezer.

FlutterinBantam · 04-09-2011 02:33PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Read the full thread, then take your time.

I will wait for you.;)

FlutterinBantam · 04-09-2011 02:36PM

Ooops looks like the Flutt fooked up.

What I meant is I never saw the entire thread.

Opinion... yes you are dead right with the

Well spotted

Hangs head.

opinion guy · 04-09-2011 02:37PM

I did read the full thread.

My

was because you said you never saw the vid that you yourelf posted in the first page. Not watching your own links ???:p

Edit: Hahahaha

Scary dude though eh ? To think this guy, who is actually inciting violent revolt in this 'speech' actually has it within his capacity to arrange for the ESB strikes is very scary. No way he should hold the position he does. And to think the ESB pay his wages!!!!!! Something very shady about that if you ask me

FlutterinBantam · 04-09-2011 02:44PM

opinion guy wrote: »

I did read the full thread.

My was because you said you never saw the vid that you yourelf posted in the first page. Not watching your own links ???:p

Edit: Hahahaha

Scary dude though eh ?

Yes you got me on that one,very well spotted,the link was to identify Mr. O for someone, didn't actually see the whole thing through.

Absolutely scary dude.

To have a geezzzer like that holding the reins of a workforce who's production is so vital for the countries welfare is certainly scary.

Funny thing is that he is being paid by the company, and a good wedge too.

Fat cat trying to come across as a concerned socialist.;)

On your case Brenno.

opinion guy · 04-09-2011 02:58PM

Confirmed in yesterdays independent that the ESB pay his wages:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/esb-unions-back-ogle-to-keep-job-2864835.html

FlutterinBantam · 04-09-2011 04:20PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Confirmed in yesterdays independent that the ESB pay his wages:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/esb-unions-back-ogle-to-keep-job-2864835.html

Indeed, so we ,the taxpayer are paying some gimp to ensure industrial peace in the ESB.

No problem with that if we sack their well staffed HR Dept.

Total load of bollox.

No wonder the lad is sniggering.

ressem · 04-09-2011 07:49PM

I guess that answers Dionysus' request for a quote.

[16:44]
And if we put up a fight in ESB and it's hard to get them to fight, but we're getting there.
If we put up a fight in ESB the lads will start to believe they can actually effect change. And if they start to believe it, their mates and their brothers and their sisters elsewhere will start to say that this actually works.
[17:08]
So what does having a fight in ESB mean
First thing you get is 'Sure we can't do it, sure we sold half the power stations, wouldn't make any difference.'
If we turn off the power stations then some other power station will (gesture: spin up)
That's correct, but there's no electricity ever went from a power station (points) to that light bulb. So we control it.

So what I envisage in the next few months, I hope to see in the next few months...

Changes direction, criticises Colm McCarthy

[19:55]
And in two or three years time or in ten years time or twenty years time when I'm retired in Cuba, having my cigar, drinking my rum, enjoying life. (aside: he doesn't believe I'm going) at least as a movement, as a left, lets say either we took them on, had some success maybe total success, maybe turned thing around somewhat, or at least we took them on and had a bloody fight.

Some other 'gems' in there. Contempt of your audience's intelligence, shows through your targeting your speech to the audiences lowest common denominator as you perceive it.
With all his harking back to 80 years ago, you'd form the impression that he saw a second civil war as an aspiration.

FlutterinBantam · 05-09-2011 08:42AM

Went on Marian Finucane to clear up the mess.

This lad is the typical loo la, who gets embedded into the semi-state sector and from a position of power tries to stir up trouble in a workforce very difficult to sack.

Throwback from the bad old days.

opinion guy · 05-09-2011 08:50AM

What did he say on Finucan?

FlutterinBantam · 05-09-2011 09:07AM

Just the usual bluster, she didn't raise the issue of the ESB paying him.

If i have time I will link to it. It's towards the end.

What's with this Ogle guy?

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