What's with this Ogle guy?

FlutterinBantam

:eek:

Jaysus ,can't believe this.

The ESB, who are screwing us to the fcuking wall, are paying this lad's wages.

The same guy who tried to shut down CIE and failed miserably.

Why are the ESB paying the wages of a Union official.?

Surely the fcuk the don't have to go that far to guarantee industrial peace.


Total disgrace.

hondasam

Who is he ?

tricky D

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Why are the ESB paying the wages of a Union official.?

For consistency. Afterall, if they pay €75k before perks for just reading meters.....

And no I'm not joking on that figure for that job.

Sunnyisland

Who are we talking about ?

westendgirlie

Haven't the foggiest

FlutterinBantam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrpUUzRPPAo


This geezer.

hondasam

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrpUUzRPPAo


This geezer.

what has that link got to do with the ESB?

teol

He's a smug socialist arse.

FlutterinBantam

hondasam wrote: »

what has that link got to do with the ESB?

The ESB is paying this lad's wages as Sec of their group of Unions.

Over 100k I would estimate.Well over .

That's you and I Sam if you pay ESB bills.

Why should the ESB pay union officials wages?

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

hondasam wrote: »

what has that link got to do with the ESB?

that's brendan ogle and he's head of the ESB union. try to keep up.

my god, what a nutter in a position of power. he can shutdown the country if he wanted to.

Sergeant

tricky D wrote: »

For consistency. Afterall, if they pay €75k before perks for just reading meters.....

And no I'm not joking on that figure for that job.

The thing is, the ESB outsourced the reading of meters a number of years ago. So there is no one getting a wage of 75k to read a meter. But don't let fact get in the way of a good AH rant.

hondasam

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

The ESB is paying this lad's wages as Sec of their group of Unions.

Over 100k I would estimate.Well over .

That's you and I Sam if you pay ESB bills.

Why should the ESB pay union officials wages?

Did he say ESB workers were spoilt, now they are pissed of with him.

georgiecasey wrote: »

that's brendan ogle and he's head of the ESB union. try to keep up.

my god, what a nutter in a position of power. he can shutdown the country if he wanted to.

I will.

How can he shut down the country?

TheZohanS

hondasam wrote: »

How can he shut down the country?

No electricity no partytime.

Saila

I thought you were saying ogle like street speak for ugly

Monty Burnz

teol wrote: »

He's a smug socialist arse.

More like a communist arse. He was behind loads of strikes at CIE, now he's at the ESB. The ESB staff reckon they are untouchable because if anything happens they don't like, they can shut down the country.

Another great argument for privatisation and competition, plus an interconnector to the UK or European power grids.

Monty Burnz

Sergeant wrote: »

The thing is, the ESB outsourced the reading of meters a number of years ago. So there is no one getting a wage of 75k to read a meter. But don't let fact get in the way of a good AH rant.

The guys in the power stations - when you factor in overtime - are on well over 100k per year. It's nuts. The company is very well run for a semi-state, and the staff are good; the only issue is that they are overpaid. Some slightly overpaid, some very overpaid (the aforementioned guys in the powerplants).

hondasam

TheZohan wrote: »

No electricity no partytime.

Back to candle light, think of the romance

Gator

Who?

Chuck Stone

Was he the guy who organised a strike in CIE because they wanted the sandwiches cut in squares instead of triangles in the canteen?

It's a disgrace Joe.

Sergeant

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The guys in the power stations - when you factor in overtime - are on well over 100k per year. It's nuts. The company is very well run for a semi-state, and the staff are good; the only issue is that they are overpaid. Some slightly overpaid, some very overpaid (the aforementioned guys in the powerplants).

I'm an electrical engineer. I worked there on a work experience release from college. I also have a number of friends who work there, being fellow electrical engineers.

The company is top heavy in terms of management. There are guys who are getting paid too much because of their length of service, and who have no modern skills to offer. Inefficiencies exist. As they do in many companies, public and private.

Overall, the company is well ran. Their International Consultancy is seen as world class, their safety record is impeccable, and despite what you read here, they are investing heavily in renewable energy and next generation metering. And they have no control over the rising cost of fossil fuels.

Bit of context sometimes.

Sunnyisland

Sergeant wrote: »

The thing is, the ESB outsourced the reading of meters a number of years ago. So there is no one getting a wage of 75k to read a meter. But don't let fact get in the way of a good AH rant.

They dident actually outsource them,The esb split into 3 different diversions(bit like cie) and the group responsible for the meter readings are called Esb networks, no idea how much they get now ?

Sergeant

realies wrote: »

They dident actually outsource them,The esb split into 3 different diversions(bit like cie) and the group responsible for the meter readings are called Esb networks, no idea how much they get now ?

The ESB was split into many parts, but the job of providing the meter readings to ESB Networks was outsourced, except for a few old staffers who had done the job since the year dot.

Dionysus

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

:eek:

Jaysus ,can't believe this.

The ESB, who are screwing us to the fcuking wall, are paying this lad's wages.

The same guy who tried to shut down CIE and failed miserably.

Why are the ESB paying the wages of a Union official.?

Surely the fcuk the don't have to go that far to guarantee industrial peace.


Total disgrace.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

The ESB is paying this lad's wages as Sec of their group of Unions.

Over 100k I would estimate.Well over .

That's you and I Sam if you pay ESB bills.

Why should the ESB pay union officials wages?

Er, is this Ogle guy any relation to the Brendan Ogle guy who came out this week to say ESB employees are paid too much? What precisely is your problem with his position here?

Monty Burnz

Dionysus wrote: »

Er, is this Ogle guy any relation to the Brendan Ogle guy who came out this week to say ESB employees, including himself, are paid too much? What precisely is your problem with his position here?

The problem is that he knows they are paid too much, and yet will shut down the country if any attempt is made to tackle this. Indeed, he's likely to threaten to shut down the country if we even attempt to stop pay rises there.

Sunnyisland

Sergeant wrote: »

The ESB was split into many parts, but the job of providing the meter readings to ESB Networks was outsourced, except for a few old staffers who had done the job since the year dot.[/QUOTE]


Whats there wages like ? have been told at least 50,000 a year

Fulton Crown

Don't meant to be rude...but there is a lot of shite talk on this thread.

ESB staff are grossly overpaid...to the extent that their own Union man has called them priveledged.

Their CEO is paid a huge wedge ...even by Semi State standards and it recently emerged that he and others were getting free/subsidised lecky which we the customers are paying for.

They also have a highly subsidised medical scheme which is unique amongst Semi-states.

Were they also not the crowd who paid power plant workers in offaly for a number of years after the plant had ceased production ?

Sure there are good people in the Org...and sure ESB International have to be competitive...but the fact remains.

There is a significant cabal of highly paid individuals who are cosseted from the real world by virtue of their perceived ability to shut off the power...aided and abetted ..I might add..by decades of craven Government who were afraid to stand up to these bullies.

Dionysus

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The problem is that he knows they are paid too much, and yet will shut down the country if any attempt is made to tackle this. Indeed, he's likely to threaten to shut down the country if we even attempt to stop pay rises there.

Fair enough, but do you have any evidence for the highlighted part?

Monty Burnz

Dionysus wrote: »

Fair enough, but do you have any evidence for the highlighted part?

Yes. See the history of the PACT agreement that was signed in the early 2000s for the attitudes of the more militant parts of the ESB group of unions, and see the wildcat strikes that Ogle presided over during his time at Irish Rail.

Fulton Crown

Dionysus wrote: »

Fair enough, but do you have any evidence for the highlighted part?

"Evidence"

Have you seen this guys track record ?

How do you think they got to this position except by threatning to use their industrial muscle ?

Think "Leopard" and "Spots" .......might help you get a grip Buddy :cool:

Dionysus

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yes. See the history of the PACT agreement that was signed in the early 2000s for the attitudes of the more militant parts of the ESB group of unions, and see the wildcat strikes that Ogle presided over during his time at Irish Rail.

Fulton Crown wrote: »

"Evidence"

Have you seen this guys track record ?

How do you think they got to this position except by threatning to use their industrial muscle ?

Think "Leopard" and "Spots" .......might help you get a grip Buddy :cool:

Lads, this is not evidence. Not even in a room full of supergrasses and diplock court judges in Belfast in 1980 would this constitute evidence. What evidence do you have from Ogle that he will - and I quote - "shut down the country if any attempt is made to tackle this. Indeed, he's likely to threaten to shut down the country if we even attempt to stop pay rises there."?

Simple question - surely, I can have a simple, factually-based answer?

Wertz

hondasam wrote: »

Back to candle light, think of the romance

There's nothing romantic about eating cold tinned food in the dark.
Anyone recall the rolling blackouts the last time the ESB decided to go on strike ('91)?
That said paying this f*cktard to waylay such action is inexcusable...why the hell would you employ a union official? Surely that's the responsibility of the union itself...

Solnskaya

ESB workers= pampered, low hours, little real work, it's all subbed out, overequipped to the point of total and utter wastefulness, purchasing is run along the lines of the health boards, ie expensive stuff bought expensively. Management do NOTHING. Workers do little more. Any heavy work is contracted out to private companies OR their own staff-yup, you can be both an employee and a contract worker!!! When working as a worker, they do feck all, then they take on a contract at superb rates, and work their holes off so they make a fortune. Pay is beyond generous. How do I know? I used to train them on a specific skill, and visited pretty much every depot in Ireland at one stage or another. So well unionised, nobody can mess with them. Welcome to semi-state Ireland. Nice guys as a rule though.:) Bit fond of buying expensive vehicles that are then discovered to be unsuitable, so no bother, park em and go buy more. As you do.

Fulton Crown

Dionysus wrote: »

Lads, this is not evidence. Not even in a room full of supergrasses and diplock court judges in Belfast in 1980 would this constitute evidence. What evidence do you have from Ogle that he will - and I quote - "shut down the country if any attempt is made to tackle this. Indeed, he's likely to threaten to shut down the country if we even attempt to stop pay rises there."?

Simple question - surely, I can have a simple, factually-based answer?

Seems to me that is similiar to asking "If I walk into a tigers cage with a lump of raw meat tied to my back ..what evidence do I have that this Tiger will attck me " ?

Classic obfuscating tactic poster........

Sonnenblumen

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

:eek:

Jaysus ,can't believe this.

The ESB, who are screwing us to the fcuking wall, are paying this lad's wages.

The same guy who tried to shut down CIE and failed miserably.

Why are the ESB paying the wages of a Union official.?

Surely the fcuk the don't have to go that far to guarantee industrial peace.


Total disgrace.

Off his train and now enjoying a power trip

Dionysus

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Seems to me that is similiar to asking "If I walk into a tigers cage with a lump of raw meat tied to my back ..what evidence do I have that this Tiger will attck me " ?

I'm still waiting on that evidence....

bassey

tricky D wrote: »

For consistency. Afterall, if they pay €75k before perks for just reading meters.....

And no I'm not joking on that figure for that job.

Not joking, just incredibly wrong.

Ally Dick

Ogle was is charge of the railway unions years ago. He was responsible for them holding the country to ransom. To this day, darts don't turn up if the driver feels like a lie-on in bed instead !

ejmaztec

Dionysus wrote: »

I'm still waiting on that evidence....

Surely you don't expect evidence on the Lynch-Mob AH Forum?





:pac:

jack presley

Dionysus wrote: »

I'm still waiting on that evidence....

Eh, someone mentioned a leopard not changing his spots. That'd be enough to convict anyone in a kangaroo court. What more evidence do you need?

Nodin

Dionysus wrote: »

Lads, this is not evidence. Not even in a room full of supergrasses and diplock court judges in Belfast in 1980 would this constitute evidence. What evidence do you have from Ogle that he will - and I quote - "shut down the country if any attempt is made to tackle this. Indeed, he's likely to threaten to shut down the country if we even attempt to stop pay rises there."?

Simple question - surely, I can have a simple, factually-based answer?

I'd suspect that this is an attempt at introducing a left wing slagging/public service bashing thread by Flutt.

Dionysus

ejmaztec wrote: »

Surely you don't expect evidence on the Lynch-Mob AH Forum?

:pac:

hehe. We can but hope. Ogle is my least favourite of union leaders - actually I don't have a favourite, just degrees of less favoured - but it's not like any of his opponents here are noted for, say, attacking rightwing capitalist practices such as expecting the rest of society to bail them out when they mess up. No, for the people who oppose Ogle it's still a case of "socialise capitalist losses; privatise capitalist gains", and blame the unions and "socialism" for all the problems. Plus ça change ...

FlutterinBantam

Dionysus wrote: »

Lads, this is not evidence. Not even in a room full of supergrasses and diplock court judges in Belfast in 1980 would this constitute evidence. What evidence do you have from Ogle that he will - and I quote - "shut down the country if any attempt is made to tackle this. Indeed, he's likely to threaten to shut down the country if we even attempt to stop pay rises there."?

Simple question - surely, I can have a simple, factually-based answer?

Stop trying to derail the thread man.

Answer me this, why are you and I ESB subscribers paying this lad's salary when he works for a Union.

Or have I got that wrong.

Monty Burnz

Dionysus wrote: »

Simple question - surely, I can have a simple, factually-based answer?

I've supplied evidence based on the previous record of both the ESB unions and Brendan Ogle. I'm not sure what exactly you are looking for? A signed confession?

Perhaps you can cite evidence that we can reasonably be expected to supply. Or better yet, you can refute the evidence I've provided with evidence that he would not try to shut down power supply if there's an attempt to bring ESB salaries into line with norms.

General General

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Answer me this, why are you and I ESB subscribers paying this lad's salary when he works for a Union.

Or have I got that wrong.

Yes. Only a fool pays for their electricity... you can download it for free on bittorrent.

Monty Burnz

Dionysus wrote: »

it's not like any of his opponents here are noted for, say, attacking rightwing capitalist practices such as expecting the rest of society to bail them out when they mess up.

Uh...what? I'm not sure about others here but I've been pretty vocal about the outrageous actions of Fianna Failure WRT the banks. I've stated repeatedly that they should have been allowed to fail.

Dionysus wrote: »

No, for the people who oppose Ogle it's still a case of "socialise capitalist losses; privatise capitalist gains", and blame the unions and "socialism" for all the problems. Plus ça change ...

Can you provide evidence of any posters here supporting the socialising of losses? Or is evidence only required of others?

Sergeant

Nodin wrote: »

I'd suspect that this is an attempt at introducing a left wing slagging/public service bashing thread by Flutt.

What is left wing about an organisation that pays 75k on average per employee before pension contributions? Are these some of the people the ULA and SF want to tax at a higher rate because they are rich?

FlutterinBantam

Sergeant wrote: »

I'm an electrical engineer. I worked there on a work experience release from college. I also have a number of friends who work there, being fellow electrical engineers.

The company is top heavy in terms of management. There are guys who are getting paid too much because of their length of service, and who have no modern skills to offer. Inefficiencies exist. As they do in many companies, public and private.

Overall, the company is well ran. Their International Consultancy is seen as world class, their safety record is impeccable, and despite what you read here, they are investing heavily in renewable energy and next generation metering. And they have no control over the rising cost of fossil fuels.

Bit of context sometimes.

Blah blah blah... Context me bollix..Like everything else HSE, Bord naMona, Civil Service, Banks, County Councils, Teachers,etc etc. they are all good at their job, they just cost too fcuking much.

Paparazzo

Solnskaya wrote: »

ESB workers= pampered, low hours, little real work, it's all subbed out, overequipped to the point of total and utter wastefulness, purchasing is run along the lines of the health boards, ie expensive stuff bought expensively. Management do NOTHING. Workers do little more. Any heavy work is contracted out to private companies OR their own staff-yup, you can be both an employee and a contract worker!!! When working as a worker, they do feck all, then they take on a contract at superb rates, and work their holes off so they make a fortune. Pay is beyond generous. How do I know? I used to train them on a specific skill, and visited pretty much every depot in Ireland at one stage or another. So well unionised, nobody can mess with them. Welcome to semi-state Ireland. Nice guys as a rule though.:) Bit fond of buying expensive vehicles that are then discovered to be unsuitable, so no bother, park em and go buy more. As you do.

Amazing how wasteful they were, but could still provide the cheapest electricity in europe before the regulator came in and increased prices to encourage competition. Cheaper than the UK with about 7 times the amount of network per customer.
Blame deregulation for the high prices. When ESB had a monopoly we were better off.

Dionysus

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Stop trying to derail the thread man

hehe. Comedy. Well played, Flutt.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I've supplied evidence based on the previous record of both the ESB unions and Brendan Ogle. I'm not sure what exactly you are looking for? A signed confession?

I'm looking for evidence to support this:

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The problem is that he knows they are paid too much, and yet will shut down the country if any attempt is made to tackle this..

You stated that, so the least you can do is provide evidence where Ogle has stated or implied that he will do such a thing. What started as a simple request has turned silly by your refusal to support your claim with evidence from Ogle's stated intentions in this regard. If you have Ogle claiming all of this, please produce it and you've won this discussion. Simple!

Sergeant

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Blah blah blah... Context me bollix..Like everything else HSE, Bord naMona, Civil Service, Banks, County Councils, Teachers,etc etc. they are all good at their job, they just cost too fcuking much.

Any idea what their wage costs are in relation to gross revenue? Any comparison on this rate compared to those working in a comparable company in the private sector (say oil and gas, or other industries that have a high proportion of engineers)? Or do you always deal in empty rhetoric and palaver?

I'm far from a pinko (quite the opposite), but your special breed of empty bluster does you, or those who might agree with your general argument no favours.

Fulton Crown

Paparazzo wrote: »

Amazing how wasteful they were, but could still provide the cheapest electricity in europe before the regulator came in and increased prices to encourage competition. Cheaper than the UK with about 7 times the amount of network per customer.
Blame deregulation for the high prices. When ESB had a monopoly we were better off.

Maybe theres a regulator in other countries as well.

Can you supply evidence that regulation is the cause of high prices. ?

Have you evidence that we had the cheapest lecky in Europe ?

Back on topic..............how is a trade union official being paid by ESB....why ?

Who signed off on that deal......?