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Would you care if your friend told you they used escorts/prositutes

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    #242
    Turpentine
    Registered Users Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Ill narrow that down to women then.

    So you only proclaim to speak for every single woman on the planet now, rather than the entire human race?


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    #243
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »

    Do you think less of me because I go to therapy a few times a week because it's a mental need?

    Only if you have to pay for it...can't you find someone to have an intimate chat with that actually wants to listen to you and isn't doing it simply for money? ;)


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    #244
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,143 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    We are designed to evolve and change and grow.

    Not really,we're designed to find a mate or two and propogate our genes :)

    Evolution is a much slower process that's only observable over thousands maybe millions of years.


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    #245
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Wertz wrote: »
    Only if you have to pay for it...can't you find someone to have an intimate chat with that actually wants to listen to you and isn't doing it simply for money? ;)

    If I could do that I wouldn't need so much therapy.


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    #246
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    We are designed to evolve and change and grow.

    you do realize that humans are animals right? animals like to have sex for the sake of having sex, some get emotionally involved other dont at the end of the day who gives a s***, a consenting prostitute knows what she/he is doing and why, you dont


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    #247
    vicecreamsundae
    Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭vicecreamsundae


    Yup.
    If they were in a relationship (as many people who use escorts are) then I would be disgusted by the disregard they're showing for their partner's feelings and sexual health.
    If they were single, it would still bother me, as it says a lot about someone's attitudes towards sex and towards people, if they're okay with sleeping with someone who's not doing it because they genuinely want to sleep with them.

    is it my business? probably not. can I still have an opinion? hell yes.

    and this is coming from someone who supports sex workers' rights and thinks it would be unethical if it were illegal.


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    #248
    AskMyChocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    No.
    Sex is sex.
    In both instances she is still giving her body and performing the same acts.
    Only difference is, in one of those cases you are considering it to be intimate, something special, or why would you mind someone else having it (re: the cheating), but in the other case you are considering it to be nothing and would not mind her "giving it" to her clients.

    Cooking someone dinner is not romantic or intimate in all cases.
    I make my brother dinner, is that romantic or intimate? Hell no!!
    There are a different set of emotions attached to having sex with another person, as there is to making them food...

    My God, I can't believe you're a counsellor.:eek:

    I hope to Jaysus you don't counsel sex-workers. You haven't listened to a single point anyone has made. You have projected your own narrow-minded judgemental values onto the entire human race and seem to believe that anyone who doesn't think the way you do or subscribe to your ideas is in some way morally inferior.

    You also seem to be incapable of grasping other people's arguments, are completely disingenuous or simply believe that your certainty on how people should view sex is a given because it's the way you feel.

    With regard to your post, can you not see that cooking dinner for your brother involves emotions (it stems from your love for him) whereas cooking somebody a meal because your a chef involves no emotions. It is a simple service provided in exchange for money. There is no emotional attachment between provider and client.

    The same with prostitution. How can you not grasp this simple concept?

    If your fella was a chef, of course you would have more of a problem with him cooking dinner for another woman in his spare time than you would with him simply doing his job.

    I can't explain this any better and if you can't understand it I'm afraid I'm going to have to give up.

    You have decided that sex has to be intimate and has to involve emotions and it simply doesn't. Cooking for somebody can involve far more emotions and intimacy depending on the circumstances.

    Tell me this. Do you think Julia Roberts is being degraded when she lets some bloke feel her ass and tits and snog her in a film because that's what the role entails, or does the amount of money she gets paid make it ok? How about Jenna Jameson or other extremely wealthy porn-stars? Where is the line?


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    #249
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    No I wouldn't care if a friend of mine (whether male or female) used the services of an escort or prostitute; as long as it's consensual it's their decision and their money.

    I would however be a bit concerned for the emotional wellbeing of my friend if they felt the only way they could have sex or intimacy with another person was by having to pay for it, and only did so because they felt inadequate in some way with the opposite sex (or same if gay), or had some self-esteem or self-confidence issues that caused them to believe they couldn't meet someone and have a normal relationship for whatever reason if that's what they obviously desired instead.

    If they were using prostitutes occasionally I'd probably think they were a bit foolish wasting money when it's something that can be gotten pretty easily and for free after a night out as long as you don't look like quasi modo and come across like a complete twat/asshole with a BO problem who's not too choosey who they shag :pac: ...from my observations of the nocturnal drink fuelled mating rituals of the typical Irish person on the pull anyway.


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    #250
    gargleblaster
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    The Swedish model is the most successful method of dealing with the problem of people buying sex. As such, other countries are implementing the same program and even more are seriously considering similar approaches. Some countries have significant financial interest in allowing it to continue, so where money matters more than trying to reduce the problems that this industry creates, people of means will probably always be able to travel somewhere to buy sex.

    However, one reason that the Swedish model has worked is due to the change in attitudes toward buying sex which took place after the laws were changed. We can always hope that that would take place in other countries as well.


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    #251
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
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    The problem with the Swedish model is the assumption that the seller does not wish to do so. And whilst it is abhorrent in all cases in which they dont, in many cases they do.
    And in very many cases there are men who could go through life without ever having a sexual experience for various reasons and where two such adults can consent then punitive legislation does seem unnecessary and unfair. IMO.


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    #252
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Nope not at all, to each and their own and all that.


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    #253
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Well some of the girls that post on this forum seem to have pretty low standards as well, and sometimes not much of a clue when it comes to respecting themselves IMO...

    And what in your opinion constitutes 'low standards' or not 'respecting themselves'? I'd like to know as a female poster on this forum if I'm going to be lumped into these categories so I can defend myself.
    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Ive seen posts from girls on here about how they are in open relationships with their boyfriends / partners, having no strings sex with other men...

    Ah yes, I thought it might have something to do with your view on other women and their sexual mores. Am I to deduce from what you wrote that you believe that women who partake in such activities as you describe are somehow morally deficient 'loose women' or slappers? Do feel free to correct me but that's the impression that statement gives to me anyway.
    It seems like you're placing a value judgement on people who indulge in such activities.

    BTW I'm generally monogamous but I have had an open relationship in the past as well as no strings sex (safe and consensual) with men on occasion. Does this colour your opinion of me as a woman in some way, and if so how?
    Does it mean I'm then someone with "low standards" and little self-respec,t in your opinion, even though I know my experiences haven't negatively affected me and I'm someone who's generally confident with good self-esteem, and has high standards for myself and from a life partner?
    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    As far as my opinion goes, they should have more respect for themselves, they are not animals- they are human women!!! And they have partners!!!
    I think it makes them cheap.
    If they are happy with being cheap themselves, then its no surprise they feel the same about other women and their value.

    Why do you think that if a person believes that having sex with someone who is not being co-erced into having sex (so leaving aside women who are forced/trafficked into prostitution but who is doing it as a job) that makes either party cheap?
    What do you mean by cheap?

    I agree with what some others here have said-I believe if prostitution is fully legal safe and regulated and the prostitutes pay taxes and get regular health checks and have a genuine economic choice in the job they do and are not being coerced into it or taken advantage of or exploited by anyone then I don't see the problem.
    And I'm not even a Libertarian like some others here but a bleeding heart leftie :pac:

    I don't imagine it's a job that any woman would do for many years (unless they loved having paid sex with lots of people) and I'd say the burn out rate is quite high, but hell I don't see it as being any worse than working in some crappy tedious office job as a wage slave for years with perhaps bosses or co-workers you hate and where you end up feeling undervalued, stressed or just bored to death.
    At least the pay is (usually) better as a call girl/escort!

    If I didn't personally find the idea of the act of having lots of sex with different strange men every night unattractive I'd have no moral qualms in doing it. It's just not a job I'd want to do for that reason. Same way there are lots of other jobs I don't find suitable for other reasons.
    I certainly wouldn't have a problem with getting paid for it. Why not if a guy was prepared to pay me what I was asking?

    I know for lots of women, though FAR from all- sex not just a physical act, it's bound up with intimacy and emotions, so perhaps your feelings on prostitution are informed by that?
    I know for men sex can be just a purely physical act, a release, with no emotions necessecarily involved so I think perhaps that's why most men can see visiting a prostitute as just a service they pay for.
    No harm in that I think. It's just our different make-up that makes us view sex sometimes differently.

    And of course it's not always the case that women want an emotional aspect to sex, as I've said I've had (as do many women) one night stands where I haven't wanted anything other than no strings attached fun.
    That's all. No-one got hurt, no-one felt 'cheapened' or used and we both went on our merry way afterwards, no problem.

    I don't know why anyone who's not smallmindedly moralistic or puritanical, prudish or judgemental would see a problem with what I've done.


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    #254
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Greentopia wrote: »
    Long post.

    Let's get married.


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    #255
    Nulty
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    Raze_them_all wrote: »
    Oh you've completely unlocked dna now have you?

    Piss off I'm quite happy ****ing as many girls as i can.
    ha
    haha I'm quite happy i can seriously many girls something to do with your view o


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    #256
    don ramo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    buddy of mine admited to it one night drunk, and then admitted to going with another one of my buddys, fair enough to each there own,

    then he asked me if i wanted to go get one as he was broke and couldnt afford one, told him id wait but i wasnt getting one, he had no cash so we went home,


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    #257
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Nulty wrote: »
    ha
    haha I'm quite happy i can seriously many girls something to do with your view o

    I think Nulty's drunk.


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    #258
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    Let's get married.

    My, that's very sudden. This is a very big commitment Joe so I'll have to ask you a few questions forst. I won't marry just anyone ya know :pac:
    Do you have all your own teeth? a few acres with good road frontage? are you an older gentleman? any heart conditions? answer yes to all of them and this might be your lucky day Joe :D


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    #259
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Greentopia wrote: »
    My, that's very sudden. This is a very big commitment Joe so I'll have to ask you a few questions forst. I won't marry just anyone ya know :pac:
    Do you have all your own teeth? a few acres with good road frontage? are you an older gentleman? any heart conditions? answer yes to all of them and this might be your lucky day Joe :D

    Had a couple teeth knocked outta me.
    I have a front yard.
    I have a heart murmur.

    Score :cool: :cool: .


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    #260
    Jesus Wept
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    bagsy best man.


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    #261
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    bagsy best man.

    I expect the stag night to have a steady supply of hookers.


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    #262
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Proper trafficked ones too, none that are there on their own will or dime.


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    #263
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Proper trafficked ones too, none that are there on their own will or dime.

    Eugh, the thought of women being happy when I have sex with them is a right turn off. Hasn't happened yet, so fingers crossed!


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    #264
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    Had a couple teeth knocked outta me.
    I have a front yard.
    I have a heart murmur.

    Score :cool: :cool: .

    Good man, close enough. I'll be wanting a big wedding now so PM me with the details. It can be like an arranged marriage where we only see each other on the day :pac:
    And don't worry, there'll be no need for hookers when we're married Joe wink wink ;)


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    #265
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Jesus, are ya gonna castrate me?


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    #266
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    I expect the stag night to have a steady supply of hookers.

    Weddings off :mad:

    :P


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    #267
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Greentopia wrote: »
    Weddings off :mad:

    :P

    Welp, that answers that!


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    #268
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Dodged a bullet Joe.


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    #269
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    She'll never have my yard, now!


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    #270
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Plenty more women in the sea. You can do better imo.


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    #271
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    Sigh, it's true...all the good ones are taken. Destined to be forever alone I guess :(
    Ah well, maybe tomorrow I'll find Mr. Right, who knows.

    Anyone else wants to marry me while I'm here? I'm open to offers. Joe is not coming to the wedding though :mad: he's had his chance.
    And there'll be no hookers either :mad:

    I'm a good catch, don't break (many) mirrors, can foal a calf and I go like a steam train. What's not to like :cool:


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