Do some irish speakers exaggerate pronunciations?

paky · 2011-09-03 20:53:12

This has been bothering me for quite a while now. I studied irish all my life, (went to a gaelscoil and meanscoil) but im not a native speaker. However just watching grainne seoiges introduction there to the all ireland show i feel she over emphasises pronunciations to the extent where they seem exaggerated. Seems to be…

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This has been bothering me for quite a while now. I studied irish all my life, (went to a gaelscoil and meanscoil) but im not a native speaker. However just watching grainne seoiges introduction there to the all ireland show i feel she over emphasises pronunciations to the extent where they seem exaggerated. Seems to be the case with vlathni'ige' ni chofaigh aswel. Has anyone noticed this or is it just me? Are they trying to make out that their special natives?

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#2 03-09-2011 09:55PM

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No - Different dialects have different pronounciations. You're probably just not accustomed to the natural dialects.

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#4 03-09-2011 09:56PM

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Different dialects, different pronounciations.

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paky wrote: »

This has been bothering me for quite a while now. I studied irish all my life, (went to a gaelscoil and meanscoil) but im not a native speaker. However just watching grainne seoiges introduction there to the all ireland show i feel she over emphasises pronunciations to the extent where they seem exaggerated. Seems to be the case with vlathni'ige' ni chofaigh aswel. Has anyone noticed this or is it just me? Are they trying to make out that their special natives?

That sounds kinda Russian.

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#6 03-09-2011 09:58PM

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yes, and thats taking into account the different dialects and is bordering on a kind of snobbery

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#7 03-09-2011 10:01PM

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yes thats the word i was searching for 'snobbery'

seems to be prevalant amongst native irish speakers

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#8 03-09-2011 10:02PM

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dlofnep wrote: »

No - Different dialects have different pronounciations. You're probably just not accustomed to the natural dialects.

totally agree with this post. i'm a native speaker and thats just how we pronounce words, all throaty if that makes any sense?

even native speakers have different accents, i notice that the islanders (inis oirr) in particular have stronger irish accents and better irish alround. (i.m from south connemara)

one person's gaeltacht is another person's gwaletacht!

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#9 03-09-2011 10:08PM

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paky wrote: »

yes thats the word i was searching for 'snobbery'

seems to be prevalant amongst native irish speakers

It's not snobbery. They are not intentionally trying to sound more authentic. They are more authentic.

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#10 03-09-2011 10:08PM

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Marcia Lustley wrote: »

totally agree with this post. i'm a native speaker and thats just how we pronounce words, all throaty if that makes any sense?

even native speakers have different accents, i notice that the islanders (inis oirr) in particular have stronger irish accents and better irish alround. (i.m from south connemara)

one person's gaeltacht is another person's gwaletacht!

+1. The thing is that many people just don't realise that Irish has a whole host of sounds that just don't exist in English (not just "ch"!). It's a real pity that some people think that Irish spoken with English phonetics is correct and actually believe strong native speakers are "exaggerating" their pronunciations.

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Marcia Lustley wrote: »

totally agree with this post. i'm a native speaker and thats just how we pronounce words, all throaty if that makes any sense?

even native speakers have different accents, i notice that the islanders (inis oirr) in particular have stronger irish accents and better irish alround. (i.m from south connemara)

one person's gaeltacht is another person's gwaletacht!

The more west in Conamara you go, the more difficult it becomes for me to understand. I can chat with anyone with any gaeltacht in munster - outside of that, it gets tough.

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#13 03-09-2011 10:17PM

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Raic wrote: »

+1. The thing is that many people just don't realise that Irish has a whole host of sounds that just don't exist in English (not just "ch"!). It's a real pity that some people think that Irish spoken with English phonetics is correct and actually believe strong native speakers are "exaggerating" their pronunciations.

i have an uncle who finds it hard to pronounce wasp or yacht correctly very funny!

dlofnep wrote: »

The more west in Conamara you go, the more difficult it becomes for me to understand. I can chat with anyone with any gaeltacht in munster - outside of that, it gets tough.

we talk way too fast my bad

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#14 03-09-2011 10:28PM

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Your came to an Irish forum to discuss something about the Irish language? Nobody here has a clue mate!

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#15 03-09-2011 10:39PM

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Kidchameleon wrote: »

Your came to an Irish forum to discuss something about the Irish language? Nobody here has a clue mate!

Especially those British soccer watching types who say "mate".

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#16 03-09-2011 10:44PM

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Theyre probably putting the D4 twang on it for the benefit of the twats in RTE that probably wouldnt understand it otherwise.

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#17 03-09-2011 10:46PM

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Do some English speakers in the west exaggerate sounds, words such as a committeeeeee, or wesht? Yes. Are they snobby because they do this? Eh wha???

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#18 03-09-2011 10:49PM

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Tá mo bhosca oscailte!

Oscailte and ‎uachtar reoite are my favourite Irish words

Some words ya just cant help piling on the twang.

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#19 03-09-2011 10:54PM

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Yea I hear you OP. It bugs the ****e out of me!

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#20 03-09-2011 10:57PM

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OP you're criticising something you don't even understand. Which, to be honest, says more about you than the way Gráinne pronounces her cúpla focail

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#21 03-09-2011 11:00PM

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paky wrote: »

. Seems to be the case with vlathni'ige' ni chofaigh aswel. Has anyone noticed this or is it just me? Are they trying to make out that their special natives?

I have a love for the Irish Language - but when yer one opens her big mouth she turns me off it - she would turn anyone off speaking it ! Chk dechj ui eaocht..... SHUT THE Fúck UP - please woman.

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#22 03-09-2011 11:04PM

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Some of the opinions are a little silly here imo, why should people drop their accents to some sort of uniform blandness because they are appearing on television?
Variety is the spice of life and all that

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#23 03-09-2011 11:16PM

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ShamoBuc wrote: »

I have a love for the Irish Language - but when yer one opens her big mouth she turns me off it - she would turn anyone off speaking it ! Chk dechj ui eaocht..... SHUT THE Fúck UP - please woman.

not saying i'm a fan of blathnaid but her accent and pronunciation is conamara mixed with meath :P

it doesn't irritate me when people who learnt irish in gaelscoileanna pronounce words different from me (notice how i didnt say wrong-i'm no snob). i'm just happy they take an interest in the language and that i can converse with them

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#24 03-09-2011 11:23PM

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Marcia Lustley wrote: »

not saying i'm a fan of blathnaid but her accent and pronunciation is conamara mixed with meath :P

it doesn't irritate me when people who learnt irish in gaelscoileanna pronounce words different from me (notice how i didnt say wrong-i'm no snob). i'm just happy they take an interest in the language and that i can converse with them

Sin an rud is tábhachtaí!

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#25 03-09-2011 11:36PM

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paky wrote: »

yes thats the word i was searching for 'snobbery'

seems to be prevalant amongst native irish speakers

It's not like native English speakers of a certain bogger Johnny-come-lately tendency would look down on native Irish speakers as being "backward" for continuing to speak Irish, is it now? Of course not. Tralee, Killarney and the wannabe English town of "Dingle" would be among the first to look down on those people in their county who continue to speak Irish. I have first hand experience of these backward people.

Your entire line of reasoning betrays a lack of knowledge of the small-minded petite bourgeoisie who dominate the towns in question and see English as advanced and Irish as backward. They are a far cry from the far more educated people in south Dublin who view Irish as a sign of advancement. The neanderthals in these towns have much more in common with your average British soccer following Dublin knacker - you know, the sort who come on Afterhours after and before watching Sky Sports.

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#26 03-09-2011 11:43PM

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Seanchai wrote: »

It's not like native English speakers of a certain bogger Johnny-come-lately tendency would look down on native Irish speakers as being "backward" for continuing to speak Irish, is it now? Of course not. Tralee, Killarney and the wannabe English town of "Dingle" would be among the first to look down on those people in their county who continue to speak Irish. I have first hand experience of these backward people.

Your entire line of reasoning betrays a lack of knowledge of the small-minded petite bourgeoisie who dominate the towns in question and see English as advanced and Irish as backward. They are a far cry from the far more educated people in south Dublin who view Irish as a sign of advancement. The neanderthals in these towns have much more in common with your average British soccer following Dublin knacker - you know, the sort who come on Afterhours after and before watching Sky Sports.

Seriously dude, if you were picking strawberrys you'd only find the bitter ones

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#27 03-09-2011 11:48PM

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#28 03-09-2011 11:49PM

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Madilynn Thundering Mathematician wrote: »

Seriously dude, if you were picking strawberrys you'd only find the bitter ones

Strawberries, surely?

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#29 03-09-2011 11:52PM

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Seanchai wrote: »

Strawberries, surely?

yep you're right

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#30 03-09-2011 11:54PM

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I went to the siopa by carr and bought some stampi.

Above is how I passed Leaving Cert Irish.:cool:

LOL - what a pathetic excuse for a language; no wonder it's perishing.

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#31 03-09-2011 11:58PM

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Yag reuoY wrote: »

LOL - what a pathetic excuse for a language; no wonder it's perishing.

Care to elaborate exactly what's pathetic about the language, rather than the curriculum?

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