**Spoilers** Series 6, Episode 8 - "Lets Kill Hitler"

Craguls wrote: »

Anyone else reckon the whole

River giving up her regenerations/giving her regenerations to the doctor

will be used to circumvent the amount of times the Doctor can regenerate rule soon enough?

That's what I thought as soon as I saw what she was doing. It also reminded me of when Tennant threw all his regenerationness into his hand.

Cormic wrote: »

I enjoyed the episode but my kids were completely lost.

One question I have is how does River manage to travel in time? In the end of the episode she is shown in the year 5123...

The hospital where they dropped her off wasn't present day. I think the doctor/nurse/matron that was attending River was one of the cat people from New Earth so it was at least somewhere in the future. They could easily have dropped her in the early 52nd century so there's no need for timetravel between the two scenes. Other than that, she's resourceful. We've already seen her extorting a vortex manipulator from Dorium, do we need to see how she gets her hands on one every time?

deconduo wrote: »

Love it.





Ok for my own thoughts. Unmarked spoiler to come.

I have mixed feelings about this. For the most parts it was good but some things disappoint me. Everyone seemed a bit too detached. There was a lot of emotion at the end of a Good Man Goes to War but it seems to have evaporated. Surely Amy and Rory should be more distressed? Everyone seemed a bit understated over the whole lost child thing by the time this episode rolls around. Would have loved to see a bit more emotion over it. Matt Smith did a great performance when the Doctor was dying, but other than that there just seemed to be a general lack of emotion over the situation.

Mels being River wasn't really a shock and I'm not sure whether that was meant to be surprising or not but it all ended much sooner than I expected. I thought (and hoped) that brainwashed Melody trying to hunt and kill the Doctor being the plot for the remaining half of the series. I mean, the Silence's plan for the last season involved hijacking the TARDIS and destroying all of reality and the Alliance's plan to prevent this by building the Pandorica and a legend around it and luring the Doctor in with fake Romans and Rory and it was all pretty darn cool.

I know the series isn't over and we haven't seen the last of the Silence but their plan seems to have just gone away pretty quickly. We learn that they're raising Melody as a weapon to kill the Doctor, then she succeeds and is fixed through the power of love in the very next episode. Falls a bit flat doesn't it?

I know the record still says River killed him in Utah so at least the record believe that she's the Impossible Astronaut (even though she seemed as shocked as everyone else when he was shot) so we're not done here, but even so I think this was fixed too quickly.

Also pretty disappointed that Mels regenerated into the River we know. I was hoping that River being a time lady would mean we could have her change actress at some point and continue on long-term with the Doctor but oh well that's not too bad. Speaking of regeneration, River's ones seem pretty messed up. She regenerates into a toddler and then from a teenager into a mature woman. Is it because she's not a full timelord or because she regenerated too young or what? I guess we'll probably never find out.

Also the last season seemed very well planned out with everything wrapping up in a crazyawesome way but looked like it had all been planned in advance. This is the first time an episode has made me question Moffat's writing. Mels in particular. Should she not have been mentioned earlier? Seriously Amy's best friend who she named her daughter after and she just never happened to show up before or even be mentioned (especially when there must be so many crazy stories to relate about her). They could have mentioned Amy naming Melody after someone before or anything at all. This kind of crazy plot turn reminds me of Davies' run more than Moffat's style.

And so did River never spend any time in the Gamma Forests to get her name then? She only goes by River because that's the name the Doctor told her because she was called that when the Doctor met her? I don't mind timey-whimey explanations but please don't hint at a background involving the Gamma Forests and then not deliver. I do hope that the rest of the series makes everything I said sound completely stupid by actually bringing things together properly.

In order to finish this on a positive note though I must say that Rory was awesome.

mach1982 wrote: »

I think River is recaptue and foreced to kill the Doctor , and goese willingly to be sentanced to the stomcage as kind of self punismnet . She can escape when ever she wants , she hvae proven it .She ask the doctor to return her to the stromcage .

Forgive me for asking but is English your first languge?

I'm tying to understand what he was trying to say is all, I thought that if English wasn't his first language then I could PM the guy asking what he was trying to say then try and Google Translate it for myself. I'm just nosy about other people's theories is all :-)

Ok then makes a slight bit more sense.

I don't think the theory is sound.

Sarn wrote: »

I though it was a great episode. Lots to work out during it. Far superior than the current Torchwood run.



The Doctor has a finite number of regenerations, he is currently on his last one (unless Melody has changed it with her regeneration donation).

No he hasn't he has 12 regenerations 13 incartnations in all but that is a limit imposed by the Time Lords, The Master used up all of his 12 regenerations but under a few differant occasions he got new regenerations so the Doctor can have more than 12 regenerations now.

Achilles wrote: »

At least it answers the question of

why River didn't just regenerate when she met the 10th Doctor in Silence of the Library.

Well, also she says to the doctor while she's taking his place in that episode "don't expect you can regenerate" or words to that effect, so presumably the shock that killed her would be enough to kill any time lord.

Sarn wrote: »

The Doctor has a finite number of regenerations, he is currently on his last one (unless Melody has changed it with her regeneration donation).

I think RTD said that wibble wibble Time War therefore The Doctor's regeneration limit is removed.

Achilles wrote: »

Forgive me for asking but is English your first languge?

Yes it is. But I'm dyslexic , and I work in a call centre environment so sometimes I do not get a chance to spell check all my posts . Broads times out after 15- 30 minutes.

mach1982 wrote: »

Yes it is. But I'm dyslexic , and I work in a call centre environment so sometimes I do not get a chance to spell check all my posts . Broads times out after 15- 30 minutes.

I know how you feel, I work in a call centre environment too I know how tough it can be, heh.

I still don't think your theories are correct though ;-)

mach1982 wrote: »

I base them on both what I know so far and from a few spoiler sites .I don't think that Melody is the child in the space suite. River become a Dr of archerlogy, then ended up the stormcage, if she killed the Dr, she would have done it as adult.

I still think that either the Doctor's Ganger kills the Doctor... or it's the real Doctor killing the Ganger doctor to mislead his enemies to stop the war against him.

I'm probably totally wrong though.

mach1982 wrote: »

I base them on both what I know so far and from a few spoiler sites .I don't think that Melody is the child in the space suite. River become a Dr of archerlogy, then ended up the stormcage, if she killed the Dr, she would have done it as adult.

I also think that it is not Melody in the suit. It is too obvious. Moffat wouldn't do something that easy. I think it could be the doctor and the ganger but the doctor defended the flesh and said they were real people so he wouldnt do that.

Im stumped to be honest.

Aoi wrote: »

but the Doctor & the Ganger is a little unrealistic, don't the flesh melt when they die? Like turn back to flesh?

I don't think it is the doctor and a ganger. If the ganger steps into the TARDIS it becomes a real person. So it woulldnt melt when it is killed. But, the Doctor would never kill a real person/timelord.