**Spoilers** Series 6, Episode 8 - "Lets Kill Hitler"

popebenny16

I know, its a bit previous, but that wont stop me.

In the desperate search for Melody Pond, the TARDIS crash lands in 1930s Berlin, bringing the Doctor face to face with the greatest war criminal in the Universe. And Hitler. The Doctor must teach his adversaries that time travel has responsibilities -- and in so doing, learns a harsh lesson in the cruelest warfare of all.

there's two Amy's

River rides a motorbike Indiana Jones Style

Doctor DooM

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Poor pixelburp, that's all I'll say.

pixelburp

Doctor DooM wrote: »

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Poor pixelburp, that's all I'll say.

lol! Hey, I can't make all the episode threads you know, people might take me for granted :P

Yes, no harm starting the speculation good and early on this. For what it's worth I suspect the episode summary is being a bit cheeky. I suspect the

greatest war criminal in the Universe

is actually referring to River.

Tango One

When is this to be shown?, Myepisodes.com has no date for it yet.

popebenny16

one rumour has it as first week september. from previous experiance - right up to miracle day - the BBC tend to be flexible in their schedules, and we may not know for sure until a month off, which is when the BBC do their press packs.

popebenny16

Doctor DooM wrote: »

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Poor pixelburp, that's all I'll say.

ah I was being nostaligic, I hadn't started an episode thread in years

Keogg

pixelburp wrote: »

I suspect the

greatest war criminal in the Universe

is actually referring to River.

Or the Doctor himself?

popebenny16

Karen Gillan: "We have this really cool robot villain that goes back and fixes history," she explained. "So it goes back in time and fixes people that have done [something] wrong in history."

So, for example

Hitler gets killed by the robot so the holocaust and WW2 does not happen, and the Doctor has to make sure that they do

jim-jam

popebenny16 wrote: »

Karen Gillan: "We have this really cool robot villain that goes back and fixes history," she explained. "So it goes back in time and fixes people that have done [something] wrong in history."

So, for example

Hitler gets killed by the robot so the holocaust and WW2 does not happen, and the Doctor has to make sure that they do

:eek::eek:

Sleepy

Any dates announced for this yet?

pixelburp

Sleepy wrote: »

Any dates announced for this yet?

Yeah, a few weeks back - it's August 27th America/UK - so 2 weeks hence

Sleepy

2 weeks

Saw the trailer on BBC over the weekend and all it had was "Coming Soon..."

aidan_walsh

Let's Kill Hitler Prequel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRqG64hDs4s

pixelburp

Two clips have appeared on the official website - one's kinda spoiler'y because

we meet a new character, called Mels. A new companion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9cuPQuDbD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYaf6RFO2g8

MrVestek

It's nearly here. Can't waaaaaaaaait!

pixelburp

Well, 7.10 tonight, hope everyone's got their excuses in

That was so much win!!

But was that not the first time River met the Doctor- aka the last time the Doctor meets her? o.O

Yahew

Deleted User wrote: »

That was so much win!!

But was that not the first time River met the Doctor- aka the last time the Doctor meets her? o.O

No. but the opposite is true of course as we have seen. It is true that the older river is going backwards in the doctor's time, but that seems to be something she choose to do - she can turn up anywhere in his timeline as can any time traveller.

Aldebaran

That episode just wrinkled my brain.

MrVestek

Deleted User wrote: »

That was so much win!!

But was that not the first time River met the Doctor- aka the last time the Doctor meets her? o.O

That indeed was awesome. Omg definately one of the better episodes. At least it answers the question of

why River didn't just regenerate when she met the 10th Doctor in Silence of the Library.

I also loved the fact that they

referenced Rose Tyler, Martha Jones and Donna Noble...

IrishKnight

Deleted User wrote: »

But was that not the first time River met the Doctor- aka the last time the Doctor meets her? o.O

She wasn't River really, she didn't know who River was, so perhaps River has yet to become well, River...

Yahew

Hitler wasn't killed.

Yahew

IrishKnight wrote: »

She wasn't River really, she didn't know who River was, so perhaps River has yet to become well, River...

well, she was really. River was her future self, she has no more regenerations. So is her now.

Basq

Think that episode needs a rewatch later... there was a lot to take in!

Both Alex Kingston and Matt Smith put in absolutely stellar performances.

Some truly fantastic moments, mixed with a couple of questionable lines of dialogue (did we really need the "Doctor Who?" line? ** cringe **).

Real lack of Hitler and / or death too!

mach1982

Achilles wrote: »

That indeed was awesome. Omg definately one of the better episodes. At least it answers the question of

why River didn't just regenerate when she met the 10th Doctor in Silence of the Library.

I watch that scene , The doctor said he survive , River says that neither he would or she . Rule 1 the Doctor lies

what it dose explain is why it always the same version of River .

Oh at it was was an awesome episode ,

Doctor DooM

A very enjoyable episode, but I don't think young kids could follow that.


I mean I am down with it if that's where Moffat wants it to go, but the Mel-Melanie-who's River-you're River and so on was veeery complicated.

mach1982

Ok , if River Kills the doctor , when she as kid wouldn't she remember it?

That mean that Mel would not have to kill the Doctor

Also at the end we see her starting her studies as an archaeologist , but we know that she will be imprison for killing a great man . Unless it is this version of Melody/River it space suit. Or may the Doctor and River have kids , and it is them as River says in "good man goes to war" it a long time since she saw the cot .

It would be funny if Amy turned out to be River and the Doctors daughter, a bit like Fry in the Futuraram .

I'll stop know as this starting to sound like episode of Jerry Springer .

Yahew

mach1982 wrote: »

Ok , if River Kills the doctor , when she as kid wouldn't she remember it?

That mean that Mel would not have to kill the Doctor

Who said she was a kid when she killed the doctor, if she did. It seems like it is the future adult River, which may be why she is in prison. ( Although my guess is the whole prison thing is probably misdirection).

Also at the end we see her starting her studies as an archaeologist , but we know that she will be imprison for killing a great man . Unless it is this version of Melody/River it space suit. Or may the Doctor and River have kids , and it is them as River says in "good man goes to war" it a long time since she saw the cot .

I dont fully understand that. There is only one version of River Song.

It would be funny if Amy turned out to be River and the Doctors daughter, a bit like Fry in the Futuraram

Um, no. :-)

Yahew

I noticed, watching again that the place he is killed is Lake Silencio. References to David Lynch?

MrVestek

Or lake 'The Silence' ;-)

Manach

I enjoyed it, though a bit of a head wrecker, not unusual where River Song is concern. My one non-spoilier history-nerd niggle, is why the wehrmacht and not the SS were guarding Hitler.

Basq

My one major niggle was the lack of a German / Austrian accent on Adolf Hitler and his perfect grasp of English..

.. he sounded distinctly British too!

Aldebaran

So is Hitler still in the cupboard then?

Yahew

Basq wrote: »

My one major niggle was the lack of a German / Austrian accent on Adolf Hitler and his perfect grasp of English..

.. he sounded distinctly British too!

Really? Think about it. This is Dr. Who. There was a Tardis nearby.

Basq

Aldebaran wrote: »

So is Hitler still in the cupboard then?

Are you incinuating Hitler was in fact a homosexual?

Aldebaran

Basq wrote: »

My one major niggle was the lack of a German / Austrian accent on Adolf Hitler and his perfect grasp of English..

.. he sounded distinctly British too!

The Tardis translates and has trouble with accents, do keep up Basq!

Basq

Aldebaran wrote: »

The Tardis translates and has trouble with accents, do keep up Basq!

Oh balls... of course.. forgot about that!

What about before the TARDIS burst through the window into the room? Did we not hear him talk before that?

deconduo

Loved it

Das Kitty

Why couldn't the Doctor regenerate himself?

Craguls

Anyone else reckon the whole

River giving up her regenerations/giving her regenerations to the doctor

will be used to circumvent the amount of times the Doctor can regenerate rule soon enough?

Yahew

Can we do without spoiler tags in a thread with **Spoilers** in the title. I think Craguls' idea is good, but I dont want to quote a spoiler tag with a spoiler tag :-)

Aoi

Craguls wrote: »

Anyone else reckon the whole

River giving up her regenerations/giving her regenerations to the doctor

will be used to circumvent the amount of times the Doctor can regenerate rule soon enough?

Didn't we see him die as the current Doctor? Can they circumnavigate that? Somehow, I think they might manage that.. Bitta creative writing and all, or this could be the end :eek:

rockmongrel

Das Kitty wrote: »

Why couldn't the Doctor regenerate himself?

This.

Did I miss a line of dialogue or something, why didn't he regenerate?

ixoy

Good time-wrecking fun! When we met Mels first I took an instant dislike to her and I'm not sure if it's because it was too close to Mel (argh! Melanie Bush being the worst companion in the show). But then it turned out quite nicely...

So how does this all work out? When does Melody escape the Silence? How does she end back up on earth? How does she know to find Amy and Rory? Will they then never get her back as a baby despite the photos earlier in the season? If they do, why do they give her up again? Eek!

Loved the nice touches with River Song's diary at the end and this being their first meeting. They definitely seem to be preparing her story for closure. Oh and her line to the Nazis about attending "a gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled" was great

Oh and I believe that River's sacrifice could feed more regenerations into the Doctor, although there's plenty of time to sort that one out yet. Not sure why this poison prevents regenerating but it's a good enough reason to stop having random villains pop up every week as a different incarnation of River Song, which would get very tired very fast.

ixoy

Oh and I actually ate a Jammy Dodger while watching this

McLoughlin

If you were going to kill the Doc you would want something that would inable his ability to regenerate so I presume what ever toxin was in the lipstick was able to do this.

Daemos

Yeah the hologram-Amelia said the poison was stopping him from regenerating

Typical Moffat episode - make you think it's about one thing when it's actually another thing entirely. Must rewatch

BlitzKrieg

I enjoyed the guilt lines from the doctor when it was changing from different images for the hologram.

At first when it showed Rose I was terrified it was going to be a awful *wose is spwecial* bollocks we got from RTD all the time. But he jumped over it quickly enough. Would have liked some pre-neo who images. But it got a laugh from me.

mach1982

Ones question that I kept thinking about was , who was taking care of Mels when she was a kid,. .She said she regenerated in to toddler in New York. Also how old is River?

Sudden Valley

Was quite a funny episode but i think they've made the river song origin story way too complicated. I was confused by why they had Amy smiling at the end of the episode? Are they no longer going to be looking for baby melody? have they accepted that at least they get to grow up with her as Mels and this is not supposed to be a downer ending?

Aoi

I'm curious as to what the big finish will be & if they are going to keep the story up throughout the series or just throw it in again at the end.