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Book of Kells and the people in Meath

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  • #62
    Sofiztikated
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I can smell jealousy, even on the internet.:p
    Seanchai wrote: »
    Oh, you'd be very wrong there. In psychology terms, what you're doing is "projecting", projecting your own insecurities upon somebody else. I'm merely wholly unimpressed with the English and their notions of superiority over others. The nation of shopkeepers and merchants of Europe lecturing the rest of us on culture - it's not coincidental that England has no classical music or artistic tradition to speak of. While civilised European countries invested in such things, the British invested in military technology to conquer the world. Uncouth peasants, in other words - by any standards.

    I think he thinks he's better than you.


  • #63
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Can we make this the comedy post of the day? The funny bit is that he's serious.

    What a devastating critique - mar dhea. Have you seen hurling or Gaelic Football played in TCD's main campus in Dublin city? Nope. But cricket and other English games have a monopoly. Why does TCD have a chip on its shoulder about native Irish sports still? Do you deny that TCD sought an opt-out from the Universities Act 1997 in order to preserve its "special position" (read: anti-Irish/pro-British) in the Irish education system? Why did it refuse to be treated on an equal basis with the other universities in Ireland? Well?


  • #64
    bradyle
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    What a devastating critique - mar dhea. Have you seen hurling or Gaelic Football played in TCD's main campus in Dublin city? Nope. But cricket and other English games have a monopoly. Why does TCD have a chip on its shoulder about native Irish sports still? Do you deny that TCD sought an opt-out from the Universities Act 1997 in order to preserve its "special position" (read: anti-Irish/pro-British) in the Irish education system? Why did it refuse to be treated on an equal basis with the other universities in Ireland? Well?

    I have...plenty of times...have you ever been in Trinity Seanchai?? I really am starting to doubt it


  • #65
    teol
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    What a devastating critique - mar dhea. Have you seen hurling or Gaelic Football played in TCD's main campus in Dublin city? Nope. But cricket and other English games have a monopoly. Why does TCD have a chip on its shoulder about native Irish sports still? Do you deny that TCD sought an opt-out from the Universities Act 1997 in order to preserve its "special position" (read: anti-Irish/pro-British) in the Irish education system? Why did it refuse to be treated on an equal basis with the other universities in Ireland? Well?



    http://www.gaa.tcdlife.ie/?q=node/60

    http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50232_144616248926738_6100787_n.jpg


  • #66
    oppenheimer1
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    What a devastating critique - mar dhea. Have you seen hurling or Gaelic Football played in TCD's main campus in Dublin city? Nope. But cricket and other English games have a monopoly. Why does TCD have a chip on its shoulder about native Irish sports still? Do you deny that TCD sought an opt-out from the Universities Act 1997 in order to preserve its "special position" (read: anti-Irish/pro-British) in the Irish education system? Why did it refuse to be treated on an equal basis with the other universities in Ireland? Well?

    I have seen gaelic games in the city centre campus... The annual sevens tournament is held on campus, the the freshers gaelic teams train on college park.

    TCD cannot opt out of the laws of Ireland, it is fully compliant with the Universities Act 1997.


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  • #67
    KeithAFC
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    Should give it to Cork.


  • #68
    fontanalis
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Should give it to Cork.

    Just give it to Westmeath, that'll piss them off altogether.


  • #69
    super_furry
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    Just give it to Westmeath, that'll piss them off altogether.

    Sure they'd just fecking eat it.


  • #70
    Seanchai
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    bradyle wrote: »
    Seanchai thinks I'm a west brit because I go to Trinity...

    I never said that. If I were to conjecture anything, I'd suggest lacking in confidence in your Irishness to the extent of turning against contributing to the Irish intellectual tradition and contributing instead to the English tradition that is Trinity College Dublin.

    In fairness to you, as with most Irish teenagers, so much of "your" decisions on this issue undoubtedly come down to your parents' views and aspirations. My Dad was dead set against lowering myself to attending TCD, Oxford or the rest of them so I did my undergrad in a more culturally Irish institution in Ireland and went outside the anglophone world for my postgrad. It was more challenging to do the latter, but much more intellectually satisfying.


  • #71
    DublinWriter
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    The feckers even let Queen Victoria *sign* the book of Kells on her visit here.

    I'm surprised that they didn't let QEII do a bit of colouring in when she came over!!!

    I'm ex-TCD and living in Meath, it would be great to see one of the four books go back to Kells for an exhibit, however the vellum is over 1,200 years old and the transportation and display of these artefacts would be a nightmare.


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  • #72
    amacachi
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    InTheTrees wrote: »
    A little OT but isnt the whole catholic/protestant TCD/UCD thing dissipating over time? Its not still like that is it?
    Nah. Can be fun to nod if someone asks if I'm a protestant because I go there though.
    Seanchai wrote: »
    Whatever about the rather chimerical "divide" between Roman Catholics and British Protestants, TCD most certainly does have British (i.e. English) cultural aspirations. The decision by its governing authority to opt-out of the Universities Act 1997 and to be the sole Irish university outside the authority of the Irish state confirms this. TCD's insistence that it receive the same state subsidies as other Irish universities speaks to the "have our cake, and eat it" mentality among the governors of TCD. The Irish state backed down, for fear of risking allegations of "mistreating" a (British colonial) community in Ireland.
    What effect does their opting out of that act have in practical terms? Despite supposedly being a private institution most employees have had their pay rise and stop like "public sector" workers for some reason and the fees are set similarly to those at other universities in the country. Hell one of the libraries is going without a librarian apparently because of the PS hiring ban.


  • #73
    Monty Burnz
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    I never said that. If I were to conjecture anything, I'd suggest lacking in confidence in your Irishness to the extent of turning against contributing to the Irish intellectual tradition and contributing instead to the English tradition that is Trinity College Dublin.

    In fairness to you, as with most Irish teenagers, so much of "your" decisions on this issue undoubtedly come down to your parents' views and aspirations. My Dad was dead set against lowering myself to attending TCD, Oxford or the rest of them so I did my undergrad in a more culturally Irish institution in Ireland and went outside the anglophone world for my postgrad. It was more challenging to do the latter, but much more intellectually satisfying.

    Two points:

    1. You are amazingly patronising. It's a bad habit of mine, but you make me look good.
    2. It's amusing to see someone expend so much energy wondering why everyone else doesn't hate stuff as much as them. If you were born in Britain, you'd be harping on about the glorious empire. You are the Irish version of that type.

    Now I must fetch some supper with mater and pater, tally ho what what.


  • #74
    KeithAFC
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    Just give it to Westmeath, that'll piss them off altogether.
    Ha.

    West Belfast would enjoy it. :pac:


  • #75
    Min
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    Dublin needs it to attract tourists and Queens.


  • #76
    jaffacakesyum
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    Seanchai seriously needs to get laid


  • #77
    Monty Burnz
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    jaffacakesyum wrote: »
    Seanchai seriously needs to get laid
    I'm not sure if he'd find it 'intellectually satisfying' enough. :pac:


  • #78
    bradyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭bradyle


    Seanchai wrote: »
    I never said that. If I were to conjecture anything, I'd suggest lacking in confidence in your Irishness to the extent of turning against contributing to the Irish intellectual tradition and contributing instead to the English tradition that is Trinity College Dublin.

    In fairness to you, as with most Irish teenagers, so much of "your" decisions on this issue undoubtedly come down to your parents' views and aspirations. My Dad was dead set against lowering myself to attending TCD, Oxford or the rest of them so I did my undergrad in a more culturally Irish institution in Ireland and went outside the anglophone world for my postgrad. It was more challenging to do the latter, but much more intellectually satisfying.

    Awh yea definitely my parents...the same ones that voted sinn fein most of their lives* ...wanted me to embrace my anglo heritage...stop making assumptions about people that go to Trinity because so far you have been unbelievably wrong. Go look at some of my previous posts I've said had I been alive I'd have fought for Irish independence that I'd vote for a United Ireland and over all I'm pretty sure I'd kinda fall into a moderate republican kinda demographic. I am very proud and confident of my Irishness and didnt go to any of your so called Irish colleges because they didn't offer me the course I wanted (and I mean I there not my parents because unlike you mine trusted me to make the right decision).

    For most people that go to Trinity religion and anglo identity is far from their mind they choose it because it is the right choice for them just like every other student who chooses one of your "culturally Irish" collages. It is only a few people like you that force this whole idea of the uppity Trinity student who thinks their better or is ashamed of their Irishness upon us and to be frank I am sick of it

    There are bound to be many grammatical errors in that. I don't care

    *(this is not something im proud of by the way and they did stop in the latest election :D)


  • #79
    bryaner
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    Should the thread title not be The Book of Kells and people in Kells, I don't think any Meath people outside of Kells give a fcuk..


  • #80
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Oh, you'd be very wrong there. In psychology terms, what you're doing is "projecting", projecting your own insecurities upon somebody else. I'm merely wholly unimpressed with the English and their notions of superiority over others. The nation of shopkeepers and merchants of Europe lecturing the rest of us on culture - it's not coincidental that England has no classical music or artistic tradition to speak of. While civilised European countries invested in such things, the British invested in military technology to conquer the world. Uncouth peasants, in other words - by any standards.

    You're not clued up on the English at all, are you?


  • #81
    DublinWriter
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    My Dad was dead set against lowering myself to attending TCD, Oxford or the rest of them so I did my undergrad in a more culturally Irish institution in Ireland and went outside the anglophone world for my postgrad. It was more challenging to do the latter, but much more intellectually satisfying.
    Funnily enough, I did my under and postgrad in Trinners, I'm not sure about about intellectual stimulation but I rutted like a rabbit on viagra.

    If you want intellectual stimulation, get a library-card.

    Oh, and by the way, if you know as much about our native language as you claim, then surely you will know about the pivotal and scholarly role that TCD played in keeping the Irish Language codified in the late 19th-Century.


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  • #82
    oppenheimer1
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    I never said that. If I were to conjecture anything, I'd suggest lacking in confidence in your Irishness to the extent of turning against contributing to the Irish intellectual tradition and contributing instead to the English tradition that is Trinity College Dublin.

    In fairness to you, as with most Irish teenagers, so much of "your" decisions on this issue undoubtedly come down to your parents' views and aspirations. My Dad was dead set against lowering myself to attending TCD, Oxford or the rest of them so I did my undergrad in a more culturally Irish institution in Ireland and went outside the anglophone world for my postgrad. It was more challenging to do the latter, but much more intellectually satisfying.

    For all our education, it wilfully display an ignorance about TCD and its heritage. While the people of Trinity were loyal to the Crown in times past, they were also very proud of their Irishness. The architecture and the materials of the old buildings were chosen to show off Irish art and craftsmanship. The buildings of Trinity were to be as grand as Oxbridge, but crucially were to be Irish.

    Many of the people who were involved with the Gaelic league were also students and graduates of TCD. Much of the early work and impetus to save the language and culture came from TCD, but I've a feeling such realities won't sit well with you, someone who is clearly a troll.


  • #83
    Monty Burnz
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    bradyle wrote: »
    I am very proud and confident of my Irishness and didnt go to any of your so called Irish colleges

    I have to confess, I'm puzzled as to which colleges are 'Irish'. Griffith College? Tralee IT? I'm pretty sure no queens were involved in founding those ones.


  • #84
    Seanchai
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    bradyle wrote: »
    Awh yea definitely my parents...the same ones that voted sinn fein most of their lives* ...wanted me to embrace my anglo heritage...stop making assumptions about people that go to Trinity because so far you have been unbelievably wrong. Go look at some of my previous posts I've said had I been alive I'd have fought for Irish independence that I'd vote for a United Ireland and over all I'm pretty sure I'd kinda fall into a moderate republican kinda demographic. I am very proud and confident of my Irishness and didnt go to any of your so called Irish colleges because they didn't offer me the course I wanted (and I mean I there not my parents because unlike you mine trusted me to make the right decision).

    Fair enough, to a point.
    bradyle wrote: »
    For most people that go to Trinity religion and anglo identity is far from their mind

    Once again, I never brought religion into this. I would much prefer an Irishman who aspires to Irish independence who happens to be Protestant over an Irish-born Roman Catholic who is against this. I couldn't be more serious. There is a large number of Roman Catholics in Ireland whose Roman Catholicism is compatible with a sense of Britishness and who have no affinity with Irish culture while perhaps giving the nod to an undefined "Irish" identity (major difference). In the old days these people were called, because of their loyalty to Dublin Castle, Castle Catholics. It is Roman Catholics who aspire to be part of this tradition who choose TCD. I would never, ever, ever equate Roman Catholicism with Irishness. That these people do is not my problem.


  • #85
    raah!
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    As if they give a **** about their "heritage". They just want the fat americans to spend their money and laugh at leprechauns somewhere where they can profit from it.


  • #86
    KeithAFC
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    Seanchai are you talking about the purity of the Irish people?


  • #87
    Seanchai
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Seanchai are you talking about the purity of the Irish people?

    Keith, even you know when you're being silly. The only pure race on earth is the British, the very Cruithni from whom you (at least claim to) come. The rest of us are a rather barbarous mixture of genetic codes.


  • #88
    oppenheimer1
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    Fair enough, to a point.



    Once again, I never brought religion into this. I would much prefer an Irishman who aspires to Irish independence who happens to be Protestant over an Irish-born Roman Catholic who is against this. I couldn't be more serious. There is a large number of Roman Catholics in Ireland whose Roman Catholicism is compatible with a sense of Britishness and who have no affinity with Irish culture while perhaps giving the nod to an undefined "Irish" identity (major difference). In the old days these people were called, because of their loyalty to Dublin Castle, Castle Catholics. It is Roman Catholics who aspire to be part of this tradition who choose TCD. I would never, ever, ever equate Roman Catholicism with Irishness. That these people do is not my problem.

    If attendance at Trinity is an implicit acceptingness of English culture, then how do you square the circle that is the pivotal role the students and scholars had in keeping the Irish language alive in the late 19th century?

    How do you explain the patronage of Irish art and Architecture?


  • #89
    Seanchai
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    raah! wrote: »
    As if they give a **** about their "heritage". They just want the fat americans to spend their money and laugh at leprechauns somewhere where they can profit from it.

    Of course, TCD does not wish to profit from the aforementioned. Oh no. It's only the mere Irish who would be so lowly. :rolleyes:

    The NLI should be responsible for it, not the people of Kells or the people in TCD.


  • #90
    bradyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭bradyle


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Once again, I never brought religion into this. I would much prefer an Irishman who aspires to Irish independence who happens to be Protestant over an Irish-born Roman Catholic who is against this. I couldn't be more serious. There is a large number of Roman Catholics in Ireland whose Roman Catholicism is compatible with a sense of Britishness and who have no affinity with Irish culture while perhaps giving the nod to an undefined "Irish" identity (major difference). In the old days these people were called, because of their loyalty to Dublin Castle, Castle Catholics. It is Roman Catholics who aspire to be part of this tradition who choose TCD. I would never, ever, ever equate Roman Catholicism with Irishness. That these people do is not my problem.

    You got the part of my post where i said I'd vote yes for a united Ireland right...so once again argument flawed

    And I know you didn't bring it in however many do and I was just pointing out that along with your idea of the wish to be an anglophile for the vast majority of Trinity students it isn't an issue


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  • #91
    KeithAFC
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    Keith, even you know when you're being silly. The only pure race on earth is the British, the very Cruithni from whom you (at least claim to) come. The rest of us are a rather barbarous mixture of genetic codes.
    Ok. Just asking. Was interesting to hear your view.


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