Book of Kells and the people in Meath

Dangerous Man

They want the book of Kells.

Trinity have told them politely to **** off out of it. What do you think? I think Trinity are right. Get yizzer hands off our bewks.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0830/kells.html

A campaign has got under way in Kells to secure the return of one of the four volumes of the famous Book of Kells.

Campaigners say that the Co Meath town is the rightful home for at least some of the book.

However, Trinity College in Dublin where it is currently housed has already rejected the town's request.

Written by monks around 800 AD, the book disappeared when Oliver Cromwell's army arrived in Kells in 1654. It was given to Trinity six years later and has been there since.

Now for the sake of tourism and the community, the people of the town want some of the book back and have signed a petition.

The Book of Kells is a huge attraction and money earner for Trinity College where it is preserved and displayed.

Trinity said: "The preservation, safety and security of the manuscript are paramount in relation to requests for loan received by Trinity College.

"Over the years, it has received requests from highly reputable cultural institutions both nationally and internationally for its loan.

"Since the year 2000, it has been the policy of the Board of Trinity College on the grounds of security, environmental and preservation concerns to decline such requests.

"The College regrets the disappointment that this decision may cause, however the preservation of this unique and fragile manuscript must, however, take priority over all other considerations."

Campaigners say that Trinity does not own the Book of Kells and that it belongs to the people of Ireland.

They acknowledge a new centre would have to be built to house one of the volumes, but they believe the money would be forthcoming from the Government.

orourkeda

Do they have books in county meath?

fontanalis

orourkeda wrote: »

Do they have books in county meath?

Just the novelization of Fatal Deviation!

Sykk

Dangerous Man wrote: »

What do you think? I think Trinity are right. Get yizzer hands off our bewks.

If the book of Kells is from Kells and not TCD so it's not their or your book.

So therefore...

J K

It's about time it was renamed 'The Book of Dublin'.
Let's get that campaign going.

im invisible

Shur why wouldnt ya?

Sykk

orourkeda wrote: »

Do they have books in county meath?

Don't make me go all grammar nazi on your ass! :pac:

MagicSean

What claim have trinity got on it?

squod

Normal people and tourists are going to get to see it in Kells. Park the car outside the door of the heritage museum and stroll in for a peek vs waiting half an hour for a bus to take them to Dublin city centre.

syklops

Do they have somewhere in Kells to home the book? Or will it be a case of them then going cap in hand to the government wanting 25 million for an interpretative center in Kells.

Im all for the cheaper option.

syklops

squod wrote: »

Normal people and tourists are going to get to see it in Kells. Park the car outside the door of the heritage museum and stroll in for a peek vs waiting half an hour for a bus to take them to Dublin city centre.

But most normal people and tourists will be in Dublin at some point anyway.

TheZohanS

Why not return it to Iona where it originally comes from?

J K

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

What claim have trinity got on it?

Finders keepers.

teol

I'm voting that they'll ruin it. Look at the market cross in Kells. They can't even mind that and it's made of stone.

Craebear

I've lived in Kells all my life and when I was young I thought we should have it. Now I don't care. As has been aluded to there is just no place suitable for it here. I imagine it would go into the heritage centre but that place certainly wouldn't have the security measures for such a priceless artifact.

It should stay in Trinity, it's safe there.

Paparazzo

There's 4 volumes and Kells only wants one. Sounds reasonable to me.

It's shìte anyway

Norma_Desmond

I'm from Meath and I vote Atari Jaguar :pac:

InTheTrees

Doesnt the "Church of Ireland" in Kells have a presentable copy on display?

And isnt that the site of the old Abby? by the round tower?

I remember going up that tower when I was a kid in the 60's (i think!), it was rare that they'd open it up.

4leto

Give them the book and their independence.

No they shouldn't give the book back its fine were it is I suppose it does have a high tourist value.

super_furry

The film was better, let them have it.

Jess16

Well they need something to do and it's a long, dark winter ahead without television or broadband!

Jam

They acknowledge a new centre would have to be built to house one of the volumes, but they believe the money would be forthcoming from the Government.

Ah back on your horse.

kincsem

Its just a "Meath people can read" boast. Call their bluff and give them the book (Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone.)

4leto

Yeah but that hasn't any pictures so give them a Beano.

Seanchai

The people of "Kells" - are these the same people who voted not so long ago to change the name of their town from the meaningful Irish, Ceanannas Mór, into the meaningless English "Kells"? These are people whose town leaders are so anglicised they spell their first names Bryan instead of Brían. That's how much the shower of lugs and troglodytes who constitute the people of Kells detest Irish culture. And they want to be entrusted with taking care of a major representation of Irish culture like the Book of Kells? God save Ireland if they get a hold of it.

The day I read about their objections to an Irish name being on an Irish town is the day that changed my fascination with the heritage of Colmcille in Ceanannas Mór into contempt for the bogmen and bogwomen who pass as the inhabitants of the wannabe English town of "Kells". They changed the town's name into English, claiming that to succeed in trade they needed an English name on their town. Hello? How oh how do the overwhelming majority of towns across Europe succeed without English names? What a thick, cultureless shower of wannabe English money-chasing knackers are the people of Kells, Co. Meath. Let the real English of "the English college lately established near Dublin" (aka Trinity College Dublin) keep it. Despite the ban today, in 2011, on having a Gaelic Games pitch in the TCD campus in Dublin city centre and the abundance of cricket, rugby and other British sports on the same "Irish" university campus, TCD deserve to make millions per year out of the Book of Kells because, well, you see, their side won the wars which dispossessed us, the native Irish. Their university also has an opt-out on ethnic/colonial/religious grounds from the same rules as every other university in Ireland under the Universities Act of 1997. But let's keep the myth going the TCD is, and more importantly wants to be, as Irish an institution as the rest of them. It isn't, and it most explicitly doesn't want to be.

TCD has the book of Kells, and makes millions from it per annum, precisely because they are the university of the English colonial governing class in Ireland. They will keep it on, ironies of ironies, the grounds that to take it back from them and give it to the people of Ireland, would be discrimination against a (colonial) minority in Ireland. Pass the bucket.

The Irish state-owned National Library of Ireland, and not the anti-Gaelic Games university of the English colonial community in Ireland that is Trinity College Dublin, should hold the Book of Kells. It's a no-brainer.

MugMugs

Give it back to Meath and re name it the book of Nobber. Nobber? I've only bleeding met her!

teol

Seanchai wrote: »

blah blah blah

Just fock off.

4leto

I never suspected that my brother who is in Trinity is of the colonial class. I always suspected it though.

Seanchai

teol wrote: »

Just fock off.

Just drop dead, and take your rants against Irish culture with you. Thank you.

Seanchai

4leto wrote: »

I never suspected that my brother who is in Trinity is of the colonial class. I always suspected it though.

You never suspected it, but you always suspected it?

4leto

Seanchai wrote: »

You never suspected it, but you always suspected it?

Exactly, cloak and dagger stuff those colonial classes.

Bloody Nipples

Seanchai wrote: »

Just drop dead, and take your rants against Irish culture with you. Thank you.

3 words is a rant against Irish culture?

Damn, those things are getting shorter and shorter.

Seanchai

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

3 words is a rant against Irish culture

Did you, for a moment, think of doing a quick check on that poster's posting history before responding with this silly assumption? Not very clever.

mikemac

If Meath get this then North Tipperary, home of the GAA is looking for a new stadium, shouldn't be in Dublin
Just send the two hundred million to Michael Lowry and he'll sort it

Where To

Its in latin, send it back to latinland:D

super_furry

Seanchai wrote: »

Did you, for a moment, think of doing a quick check on that poster's posting history before responding with this silly assumption? Not very clever.

Bit creepy that isn't it?

Seanchai

super_furry wrote: »

Bit creepy that isn't it?

Indeed, it's definitely creepy familiarising yourself with the posts of the person to whom you're responding. :rolleyes: Like, poster attacks somebody who is clearly pro-Irish and you're really saying his anti-Irish posting history is not relevant to that attack?

Each to their own, I suppose.

Bloody Nipples

Seanchai wrote: »

Did you, for a moment, think of doing a quick check on that poster's posting history before responding with this silly assumption? Not very clever.

No, surprisingly enough I didn't bother.

super_furry

Yeah. Definitely creepy.

Bloody Nipples

Seanchai wrote: »

Did you, for a moment, think of doing a quick check on that poster's posting history before responding with this silly assumption? Fairly normal.

FYP.

teol

Seanchai wrote: »

Indeed, it's definitely creepy familiarising yourself with the posts of the person to whom you're responding. :rolleyes: Like, poster attacks somebody who is clearly pro-Irish and you're really saying his anti-Irish posting history is not relevant to that attack?

Each to their own, I suppose.

Haha, I'd like to know how you think I'm "anti-Irish". I'm not anti any nationality and definitely not my own!

ejmaztec

Seanchai wrote: »

Did you, for a moment, think of doing a quick check on that poster's posting history before responding with this silly assumption? Not very clever.

Don't you both share the middle ground in respect of posting history?








:pac:

bradyle

Seanchai you know we're allowed shoot one catholic from the roof of the camponile a year too...I say we because I went there so must be one of those English colonial class you're speaking off...Should probably tell my parents here's me thinkin we were lower middle class catholics from cavan...thanks for correcting me


Any way back on topic...I read in like the Meath chronical or somewhere not too long ago that Meath didn't even argue when Trinity trade marked The Book of Kells so I cant see the people of Kells gettin much support...and in fairness to Trinity the amount of security and safety procedures they have for not only that book but all of their other ones is ridiculous and I'd imagine the money Kells would need to get the same is gonna be stupidly high

Also its **** and such a bloody let down...I got to go see it for free since ya know i'm one of those colonial people :P

It should stay in Trinity.

It's a book. People only visit it because they're already in Dublin, in Trinity, and it's something to see. I find it really hard to believe that anyone bar a very niche market of historical-book-loving-people would actually travel to Kells to see it.

As for the money being put into the Kells economy, I think that it's slightly foolish to aid the economy of Kells to the great disadvantage of the national economy, especially since ultimately the Kells economy will suffer in the same fashion as the rest of the country. By leaving it in Trinity it will make more money for the national economy than it would in Kells (more people will see it), it will aid the finances of Trinity (hence aiding education) and it will save us the millions it would cost to house it in Kells.

As a student in TCD, I get in free to see the book, and I can bring a free guest with me, and I'm a 2 minute walk away every day of the college year. And guess what - I've never bothered to go. Neither have most people I know. I seriously doubt people would spend the time and money to travel to Kells just to see it.

Seanchai

bradyle wrote: »

Seanchai you know we're allowed shoot one catholic from the roof of the camponile a year too

Yes, I have heard something about Trinity "scholars" having a right to kill Irish Catholics. I thought it was a myth but perhaps somebody here would enlighten us?

bradyle wrote: »

...I say we because I went there so must be one of those English colonial class you're speaking off

The class about whom I'm speaking, surely?

bradyle wrote: »

...Should probably tell my parents here's me thinkin we were lower middle class catholics from cavan...thanks for correcting me

Ah, "lower middle class", "Cavan" and TCD all in one sentence. An Irish discussion forum doesn't get more aspirations than that.

TCD is for Irish people with serious aspirations to be "up there" with the nouveau riche shopkeepers English but who fail to get accepted into Oxford University. Moreover, they haven't the linguistic intelligence or worldview to be accepted into the Sorbonne in Paris or EUI in Florence, never mind the general intelligence to be accepted into Harvard or Georgetown.

But, hey, why bother with serious educational alternatives to the Anglocentric world when the Anglocentric educational institutions have all the notions, but far less of the significance that they had in the days of Empire. America is where it's at, not Oxford and certainly not the poor man's Oxford that is Trinity College Dublin.

DjFlin

Sure St Patrick was from Wales. Does that mean we have to dig him up and give him back?

Jam

I'm impressed how a thread on a squabble over shinies managed to get politicized so quickly. Kudos.

Seanchai

Seanchai wrote: »

Yes, I have heard something about Trinity "scholars" having a right to kill Irish Catholics. I thought it was a myth but perhaps somebody here would enlighten us?

I think you'll find that it's a criminal offence.

But there are plenty of rumours about that type of thing, none of which have been substantiated to the best of my knowledge. Loads of them like a scholar demanding a sherry before exams, but then denied entry because he wasn't wearing his sword etc. etc. etc. More than likely all ****e.

TCD is for Irish people with serious aspirations to be "up there" with the nouveau riche shopkeepers English but who fail to get accepted into Oxford University. Moreover, they haven't the linguistic intelligence or worldview to be accepted into the Sorbonne in Paris or EUI in Florence, never mind the general intelligence to be accepted into Harvard or Georgetown.

But, hey, why bother with serious educational alternatives to the Anglocentric world when the Anglocentric educational institutions have all the notions, but far less of the significance that they had in the days of Empire. America is where it's at, not Oxford and certainly not the poor man's Oxford that is Trinity College Dublin.

Ah so that's your game! Keep on trolling good sir.

/Doffs cap.

My take on this? Leave it in Trinity for no reason other than they have the structures in place to protect it at the moment.

InTheTrees

Seanchai wrote: »

The people of "Kells" - are these the same people who voted not so long ago to change the name of their town from the meaningful Irish, Ceanannas Mór, into the meaningless English "Kells"?

Well they wanted it to be the same name as the book...

Sofiztikated

My vote? Leave it in Trinity.

Have you ever seen the state of Kells? It's a badly designed, badly looked after hole. And then they'd want a ****ing fortune to house the damn thing, and whinge and cry until they got it, pissed it away, and we're left with a sheet of polythene and some 6 foot lengths of timber shielding one of our artificats from the elements.

Shure, look at the hill of Tara. Seat of the High Kings of Ireland, and didn't those Meath wans let them put a motorway bang in the middle of it? And now they want to claw back some "culture?"

Bah.

Meath wans.

InTheTrees

Dónal wrote: »

My take on this? Leave it in Trinity for no reason other than they have the structures in place to protect it at the moment.

The library building in Trinity is a perfect setting for it.

I agree though that the national library could use the boost in visitors. The National Museum could also use the extra prestige.

A little OT but isnt the whole catholic/protestant TCD/UCD thing dissipating over time? Its not still like that is it?