Abolish the Dole

Irish Slaves for Europe wrote: »

Yeah yeah yeah, this scare tactic has been used many a time by workshy bums. Our overpaid, privileged dole scum are so well off that we have one of the worst rates of drug abuse in the world. Heroin abuse and alcohol abuse in particular are rampant among the unemployed. Think of all the savings in healthcare and policing we could make if we reduced dole so that people could only afford food and shelter with it, and maybe the odd pint or two.

When everyone had jobs all they did was take coke from Friday to Sunday.

2 points

Anyone who thinks the dole is on the low side for a single person is with the birds. The only way I can see this being the case is if that single person chooses to rent a whole house for over 500 quid a month or some penthouse apartment, or has a lavish lifestyle. I've done the sums...

Second point, if you OWN and live in a house worth 10 million, you are still entitled to the dole as the money is considered inaccessible. Yet if you have a mortgage on a house with say 300k outstanding and have 50k savings in the bank to help pay off the mortgage over time etc, then your dole payment is substantially reduced.

Irish Slaves for Europe wrote: »

Yeah yeah yeah, this scare tactic has been used many a time by workshy bums. Our overpaid, privileged dole scum are so well off that we have one of the worst rates of drug abuse in the world. Heroin abuse and alcohol abuse in particular are rampant among the unemployed. Think of all the savings in healthcare and policing we could make if we reduced dole so that people could only afford food and shelter with it, and maybe the odd pint or two.

Care to elaborate or do you just want to spout ****e?

mikemac wrote: »

Realy OP, you were over in education forum at the weekend asking about student grants and getting suggestions of interest free bank loans, welfare officers and St. Vincent de Paul

But now you come here and bash people on the dole?

Oh oh, corbed!!:D

The downside of minimal or no social welfare is gated communities, the need to carry a gun, wondering will your kids make it home from school if someone fails to pick them up from school, the streets in cardboard/galvanised tin city running with sewerage and always looking over your shoulder at the teeming millions who want what you have but have absolutely no way out of the mire. Ireland of the future, no thanks.

Irish Slaves for Europe wrote: »

Yeah yeah yeah, this scare tactic has been used many a time by workshy bums. Our overpaid, privileged dole scum are so well off that we have one of the worst rates of drug abuse in the world. Heroin abuse and alcohol abuse in particular are rampant among the unemployed. Think of all the savings in healthcare and policing we could make if we reduced dole so that people could only afford food and shelter with it, and maybe the odd pint or two.

This attitude really worries me. Do people really think that those on the dole should only be allowed enough money to just about survive? Does that include all the people who've lost their jobs recently and are out looking for work everyday?

There's more to life than just survival, and the dole has to allow for a small amount of comfort. It's not supposed to be a punishment. The dole is quite low anyway, there's really not much room for any luxury, and any time I hear someone say that people on the dole have it easy, I never hear any evidence to back it up.

I think people who call for the dole to be abolished or allow people to just about survive are just trying to live out their own revenge fantasies where scary poor people are demonised and banished from civilised society.

maybe one way might be to have those on the dole included in these public works programmes (i.e. schemes which involve street cleaning, road maintenance ) there are so many dole cheats that really its too late nearly to clamp down on them

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

The dole AND the minimum wage should be abolished. Those people in the under classes who feed like parasites off the dole and social welfare would be churned into factories, increasing the country's workforce and productivity. In the meantime, you'd see a decrease in the amount of unmarried mothers and general social degeneration.

This thread is gonna be ****ing AWESOME!

Great post, i really needed a good giggle.

Keep em coming.

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I sense sarcasm in the force.

Not at all, i genuinely found it very funny and i truly believe that this dole thread shall top all dole threads that came before it.

StephenHendry wrote: »

the dole is very high in this country, if you reduced to a certain level by 50/60 euros and only bring this back up if people can provide evidence they have applied for some jobs, details of training programmes that they have applied for

How much is the dole in this country?

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Abolishing the dole and moving to a minimum wage would end up with all out rioting and all out destruction of the state.

Anarchy! Whoop!