Should Declan Kidney be sacked after the world cup?

Brendan97 · 27-08-2011 08:47PM #1

After shocking performances from Ireland in the world cup warm-ups.
should declan kidney be sacked?

petebricquette · 27-08-2011 08:48PM

Brendan97 wrote: »

After shocking performances from Ireland in the world cup warm-ups.
should declan kidney be sacked?

Well, they'd have to buy him out of his contract if they did it now. I'm going to reserve judgement until after we crash out in the quarters.

Stev_o · 27-08-2011 08:51PM

Brendan97 wrote: »

After shocking performances from Ireland in the world cup warm-ups.
should declan kidney be sacked?

No and if someone suggested he should be they should get their head checked. You don't fire your coach before a World Cup.

skregs · 27-08-2011 08:52PM

petebricquette wrote: »

Well, they'd have to buy him out of his contract if they did it now. I'm going to reserve judgement until after we crash out in the quarters.

Considering the injuries we're picking up, we could be murdered by the Italian pack, and they're not going to lose to the US or Russia.

astonaidan · 27-08-2011 08:54PM

I do wonder if He came from a Leinster background would this even be a topic

petebricquette · 27-08-2011 08:56PM

astonaidan wrote: »

I do wonder if He came from a Leinster background would this even be a topic

Of course it would. Regardless of where he's from he's mismanaged players, our highly-skilled backline have looked pedestrian and inexperienced and he's somehow gotten some of the best players the Irish game has seen to play like schoolboys.

maddness · 27-08-2011 08:57PM

astonaidan wrote: »

I do wonder if He came from a Leinster background would this even be a topic

YES.

He should be judged after the world cup. It looks very bad now though.:mad:

Brendan97 · 27-08-2011 08:59PM

Stev_o wrote: »

No and if someone suggested he should be they should get their head checked. You don't fire your coach before a World Cup.

i mean after the WC, i'm not stupid enough to suggest sacking him before the world cup that would only make matters worse

Stev_o · 27-08-2011 09:01PM

Brendan97 wrote: »

i mean after the WC, i'm not stupid enough to suggest sacking him before the world cup that would only make matters worse

Then change your thread's title because it suggests the opposite.

Brendan97 · 27-08-2011 09:04PM

Stev_o wrote: »

Then change your thread's title because it suggests the opposite.

not sure how to i'm only on boards a week

eoferrall · 27-08-2011 09:06PM

astonaidan wrote: »

I do wonder if He came from a Leinster background would this even be a topic

Nothing to do with a munster/leinster background for me. I do not want him sacked now, would not benefit the team at all. the team has not performed for 3 seasons at the level it could, we have slipped below scotland in the world rankings (our lowest ever ranking since they were introduced). kidneys win ratio is about 59% i think compared to EOS 65% and people where upset with him.

Personally I feel the main issue lies in the backs, we have lacked penetration and invention in the back department and I feel this is gaffneys issue, I have not really been impressed with his 'coaching' whereever he has been munster, leinster or ireland (don't know enough about saracens etc to comment there). I think I recall that he is going back to Australia next year? do I remember right? I think Kidney is responsible for the team, and if a coach is not working out then he needs to act.

But I do think there are issues there that need resolving as the team is not playing to the sum of its parts, and not looking like a team at all.

The alternative is none of the players are as good as we think, that they are all great HEC players, but only decent international players?:eek:

But all in all, its nonsense to even just firing him before the RWC has even started. if Ireland does well, in 2 months everyone will be singing his praises, if not after 2012 6 nations if we don't perform he could be in serious pressure cooker situation.

tolosenc · 27-08-2011 09:07PM

Even if we win the world cup, he should bee got rid of as soon as we're on the plane home.

Brendan97 · 27-08-2011 09:07PM

Stev_o wrote: »

Then change your thread's title because it suggests the opposite.

done

Charliesierra · 27-08-2011 09:10PM

No i don't think he should be sacked
hes trying combinations out and these matches were the right place to do it
its too late to test players in New Zealand
remember these are all professional players that play top class provincial rugby
they are the ones on the ground
and i'm a leinster supporter

Fight_Night · 27-08-2011 09:16PM

astonaidan wrote: »

I do wonder if He came from a Leinster background would this even be a topic

Can you honestly say you have been happy with the way this Irish team has played for the majority of it's games, post 2009?

NufcNavan · 27-08-2011 09:18PM

Grand Slams are worth nothing these days I suppose..

skregs · 27-08-2011 09:20PM

NufcNavan wrote: »

Grand Slams are worth nothing these days I suppose..

He's followed up on that success so well...

Dempsey · 27-08-2011 09:21PM

tolosenc wrote: »

Even if we win the world cup, he should bee got rid of as soon as we're on the plane home.

ROFL

You're entering George Hook territory with that opinion.

I dont care about the results in the warm ups or even the performances as long as lessons have been learned for when it matters, World Cup matches.

Should he be sacked after the world cup? No and to say he should be at this stage smacks of stupidity tbh

We should be supporting the team, not waiting for an opportunity to stick the preverbal knife into people.

Fight_Night · 27-08-2011 09:24PM

NufcNavan wrote: »

Grand Slams are worth nothing these days I suppose..

That was 2 years ago.

tolosenc · 27-08-2011 09:25PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I dont care about the results in the warm ups or even the performances as long as lessons have been learned for when it matters, World Cup matches.

Should he be sacked after the world cup? No and to say he should be at this stage smacks of stupidity tbh

ROFL

It's not just these last 4 games. We have been terrible for a couple of years now. He should have been gone last year, and certainly after the last 6 Nations.

It smacks of stupididty to stick with a coach who has no idea what he's doing? TBH, it smacks of stupidity to blindly stick with the incompetent management we have now.

Dempsey · 27-08-2011 09:29PM

tolosenc wrote: »

ROFL

It's not just these last 4 games. We have been terrible for a couple of years now. He should have been gone last year, and certainly after the last 6 Nations.

It smacks of stupididty to stick with a coach who has no idea what he's doing? TBH, it smacks of stupidity to blindly stick with the incompetent management we have now.

Couple of years, it was only 2 years ago that he brought home the gland slam.

Blindly stick? More sensationalist tripe

tolosenc · 27-08-2011 09:31PM

Yes, couple means 2. In the last 24 months, we have been awful. In fact, we were awful in the 2009 6N.

Fight_Night · 27-08-2011 09:32PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Couple of years, it was only 2 years ago that he brought home the gland slam.

Blindly stick? More sensationalist tripe

Winning a trophy 2 years ago is not enough to justify his employment. Nothing sensationalist about it, we've had 2 relatively poor years where we haven't done much. I don't have the exact stats but somebody posted them earlier and I think it was 8 wins and 18 losses since 2009.

GerM · 27-08-2011 09:37PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Couple of years, it was only 2 years ago that he brought home the gland slam.

Blindly stick? More sensationalist tripe

2 years and many games ago, Dempsey. I don't want any knee jerk reactions and DK should of course lead us into this WC but if it isn't a successful campaign it will have to come into consideration. Losing 11 of the last 16 matches is nowhere near good enough given the players that we have. Scotland have a far more successful win ratio over the same number of games. The same Scotland that is made up nearly entirely of Edinburgh and Glasgow players and plays possibly the worst rugby in the world.

Hagz · 27-08-2011 09:42PM

I'm waiting till after the WC. The major criticism I'd have of Kidney is that he didn't really build a squad in preparation to this World Cup. He persisted with the familiar and remained loyal in his selections in circumstances where it wasn't appropriate. Guys like Hagan, Tuohy, Wilkinson, Duffy, Jennings and probably even Downey, should have more caps than they do.

One of the key elements of a squad in my opinion, is competition from within. If a player relaxes and assumes his name is on the team-sheet, you wont get the best out of him. You can't go into a world cup with XV guys plus cover. You need a whole squad that are all stating a case to be selected. Obviously you will have players who demand their place, that's natural, but it's imperative that there's competition from within.

When the WC is over, the blooding of Ryan, Ruddock, Murray, McAllister, Nagle etc should be imminent. I think it would also help if we brought in someone with no provincial ties. A coach with experience in a province is going to have relationships with certain players.

Dempsey · 27-08-2011 09:45PM

tolosenc wrote: »

Yes, couple means 2. In the last 24 months, we have been awful. In fact, we were awful in the 2009 6N.

Couple means two years?? Thats news to me, must let the oxford dictionary know too.

I havent defended performances since then so I dont know why you feel the need to give me a reminder.

I said that deciding to sack him now before a game played in NZ is stupid, and it is. I'd bet that you'd be seething if Ireland have a great world cup because you'd have so much egg on your face, never mind the idea of winning the WC!

Fight_Night wrote: »

Winning a trophy 2 years ago is not enough to justify his employment. Nothing sensationalist about it, we've had 2 relatively poor years where we haven't done much. I don't have the exact stats but somebody posted them earlier and I think it was 8 wins and 18 losses since 2009.

As I said already, deciding that he should be sacked now regardless of world cup performances is stupid. I've watched the matches myself so there is no real need to be telling me stats.

Dempsey · 27-08-2011 09:48PM

GerM wrote: »

2 years and many games ago, Dempsey. I don't want any knee jerk reactions and DK should of course lead us into this WC but if it isn't a successful campaign it will have to come into consideration. Losing 11 of the last 16 matches is nowhere near good enough given the players that we have. Scotland have a far more successful win ratio over the same number of games. The same Scotland that is made up nearly entirely of Edinburgh and Glasgow players and plays possibly the worst rugby in the world.

I didnt say that he should be in charge regardless of world cup performances so I dont know why you have to say this to me.

GerM · 27-08-2011 09:50PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I didnt say that he should be in charge regardless of world cup performances so I dont know why you have to say this to me.

Should he be sacked after the world cup? No and to say he should be at this stage smacks of stupidity tbh

You appeared to be saying that he shouldn't be sacked even following a WC campaign.

DylanJM · 27-08-2011 09:50PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Couple means two years?? Thats news to me, must let the oxford dictionary know too.

I havent defended performances since then so I dont know why you feel the need to give me a reminder.

I said that deciding to sack him now before a game played in NZ is stupid, and it is. I'd bet that you'd be seething if Ireland have a great world cup because you'd have so much egg on your face, never mind the idea of winning the WC!

As I said already, deciding that he should be sacked now regardless of world cup performances is stupid. I've watched the matches myself so there is no real need to be telling me stats.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/couple

Couple: Two people or things of the same sort considered together

Sorry feeling a bit cheeky tonight. :pac:

Dempsey · 27-08-2011 09:57PM

DylanJM wrote: »

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/couple

Couple: Two people or things of the same sort considered together

Sorry feeling a bit cheeky tonight. :pac:

:facepalm

3 informal an indefinite small number
:[as pronoun] :
he hoped she’d be better in a couple of days
we got some eggs — would you like a couple?

I question your interpretation of the english language

kahf1_02 · 27-08-2011 09:59PM

People, what is happening to Irish rugby? This isn't the Ireland I know. We seem to be cursed with bad luck prior to WC's. Kidney must stay. He could turn things around drastically in the WC, by reaching the semi's. Kidney is a smart man, he'll regroup and re-rally the troops and settle heads.

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