Genocide in South Africa

I think they should all move out of there and back to their ancestral homes offered housing by their ancestral homes.And leave those countries to their own devices. Compensated by The government of Africa.

endabob1 wrote: »

Lets start with Malema; He is a piece of work no doubt but those calling him a member of the ruling party & suggesting him as the next president are off the mark, in real terms he's an irrelevance.

To suggest that nothing is being done about his outbursts is also not true, the ANC have censored him in the past (in relation to the "kill the Boer" song, which was at a particularly sensitive time here with the death of Eugene Terblanche)

There is a lot of rubbish that comes out of SA from all sides but the reality is 95% of violent crime happens in the townships because that's where the poorest people live, look at the riots in London if you want evidence that it's the same the world over. The farm crimes are a lot rarer than is being perceived, not denigrating it but in a country where 46 people are murdered daily, the numbers of farm killings are low compared to those killed in township violence.
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Now to Bishop Tutu - He has been a consistent voice of reason amid the clatter of nonsense in South Africa in the last decade, He has been critical of SA's stance on Zim & Mugabe


His so-called criticism of White South Africans is in fact correct, almost all my friends here are white and almost all of them have university educations, because they're parents prospered during apartheid, does this make them bad people? Not at all, it's a fact of life here, that's how things were and still are, change is slow and people living in the poorest townships have had 2 decades of being told things will get better, it's hard not to sympathise with their plight; That said the black on black xenophobia we have seen in the last few years here shows a different side of things.

I've lived here for 4 years, I've travelled a lot in the world and in SA, I know a bloke who was killed on his farm in Zim, I know someone shot on the street here in Cape Town for his Cell Phone, I'm not immune to it but I can contextualise it. I have lived in big cities and been the victim of petty crtime, my mother has been burgled in small town rural Ireland, maybe I've been lucky in SA but I've had no bad experiences here, I know there is crime, I also know that 95% of it happens in areas I would never be. Maybe that makes me a selfish racist, who knows but I like living here and I'm intelligent enough to see through the bullsh!t to get the real story.

Hi all,
I have been following this thread and decided to give my 2 cent worth. sorry about not using the quotes properly not sure how to insert them properly. Anyway would like to pick up on points made above.
I too lived in Cape Town for about 4 years up to last year and monitor events there very closely.
Firstly Malema, "in real terms he's an irrelevance" - if only this was true, he is an extremely dangerous individual who is operating without control, the current PR stunt of the ANC to dicipline him is another in many over the past couple of years, he has defied High Court Orders and in his trial earlier this year been found guilty of Hate Speech and incitement- yet he continues to publicly sing "Shoot the Boer". I would like to add that to our national embarrassment Bono earlier this year was partying with this idiot malema and encouraging him to keep singing the song. So as far as I am concerned Bono is supporting Hate Speech and incitement to murder. Many of our freedom fighters stood with the Boer on the fields of the Transvaal during the Boer war against the british.
Malema has the ear of the masses who have seen nothing from democracy, its easier to blame the whites and apartheid which ended 16 years ago than blame the corrupt ruling class of SA and specifically the ANC.

I disagree with endabob when he says 95% of crime is in the townships- true it is bad but in the suburbs and cities it is also really bad. I lived in Kommetjie a small seaside town on the peninsula, in the last year I had at least one attempt a week to break into the house, our dog was poisoned and there were shoot-out between burglars and police regularly. I had 24hr armed response linked to the alarm which I did have to call on occasions. What I think people must realise is if your house is broken into in Ireland, and yes it happens, you will not get shot, stabbed, have your wife gang raped in front of you and then killed. You simply cannot compare being broken into in Ireland with South Africa. I dont doubt that your mother being burgled in Ireland was a very traumatic experience for her but I am sure you are glad it happened in Ireland and not in SA. I think you have been lucky, I too did only had my car broken into once there, but dammit they tried hard to get into the house. Cape Town is by SA standards relatively safe.


Tutu's recent call for a "white tax" is racist and cannot be seen as anything else. Yes my white friends in Cape Town also were well educated but most were self employed, as a white professional or skilled worker you cannot get a job or promotion due to affirmative action where a person of colour HAS to be given priority regardless of qualifications or experience, this had led to the brain drain in recent years and the inevitable chaos caused by under qualified people running critical public services- eg the lack of maintenance at power plants leading to rolling power cuts all the time. The level of unemployment and increasing poverty within the white population is undeniable and largely due to reverse discrimination.

In my business activities in SA I faced huge hurdles in getting business contracts not because of economic reasons but because of government policies towards the colour of my skin- Black Economic Empowerment Policy meant that for my business to prosper I would have to sign over 48% of Equity to a Black "Investor". In reality these elite of BEE non executive directors are the cronies of the ANC and the gateway to government and civil contracts, even to supply companies I would in effect have to give a 48% bribe- and that is policy. It is there to enrich the ruling ANC not create employment or provide advancement for the ordinary black kids who are trying their best at school and college.

Ok in relation to farm attacks and genocide, anyone can argue one way or the other and get stuck on nitty details and individual points of view- from my perspective it is patently clear that the Xhosa Government of South Africa are engaged in an attempt to drive the whites out of SA, the notion of a Rainbow Nation is nonsense and a joke. Malema is the agent provocateur to stir up hatred amongst the poor masses and he IS succeeding.
I do not agree that farm attacks are rarer than perceived, it is simply the case that the South African Police stopped recording many of these events in isolation to other crimes in 2007. The nature of these attacks and the level of prolonged torture of the victims clearly defines this as a hate crime and not an "ordinary robbery murder".
One previous post disputed the comparison with ZIM saying Mugabe sent gangs of thugs to terrorise the white farmers, well if you look at the farm attacks it is exactly the same as the early days in ZIM. There are gangs of thugs ( and in fact a scary amount of police have been implicated) terrorising farms, killing off the occupants and driving survivors off the land because of fear.
The fact that genocide watch has elevated SA to level 6 and named whites and women as the at risk group cannot be ignored and dismissed. It is all too easy for us from afar to blame it on apartheid and say" well whites should leave" if we ignore the fact that whites are been systematically targeted and forced out by direct violence and economic policies and add all the comments about land ceasures and "nationalising" of mines then we are ignoring the final preparations for a violent marxist revolution in which whites will be slaughtered. The Boer have as much right to be there as any other ethnic group in SA, they are the decendants of our european forefathers, just as the Americans and Australians are.
We will see in time just what develops in SA but all the signs are bad for the future, I would love to have the optimism that I had a few years ago but the reality is somewhat different.
This tread is trying to highlight the direction that SA is going in, I sadly must agree with what has been highlighted by this tread.