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Gay couple kicked out of bar for kissing on the dancefloor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Monty. wrote: »
    Exactly, so why prevent one, when we have other referendums ?

    Talking-to-Brick-Wall.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭heate


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Why are you looking in the first place?

    I mean, I don't like seeing anyone kiss. So I don't look. What's the problem?

    You can't comment on this without sounding homophobic. But I do agree I'm in favour of the get a room policy. People wearing the faces off each other in public - who are they kidding wouldn't they prefer to be having a ride in private instead?
    As for them being men kissing well I'm not bothered by gays in general I just not comfortable watching to guys go for it in front of me.... It's a preference thing! And as for not watching let's be honest there are a lot of things that take your focus off what you were doing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    What's in the constitution currently in Ireland for marriage? isn't marriage legally defined in the country as between a man and a woman...so I'd imagine the constitution would need to be ammended

    This is what the constitution says on marriage:
    "Article 41
    1. 1° The State recognises the Family as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law.
    2° The State, therefore, guarantees to protect the Family in its constitution and authority, as the necessary basis of social order and as indispensable to the welfare of the Nation and the State.
    ...
    3. 1° The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded, and to protect it against attack.
    2° A Court designated by law may grant a dissolution of marriage where, but only where, it is satisfied that ­[...]"

    And I believe the issue isn't so much what it says but the current interpretation of "the Family" to mean man+woman+children, which it then states needs to be protected.

    It doesn't actually say that though, so I don't know. Seems ridicules to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    Resi12 wrote: »
    As a gay man I must say, if you don't like gay marriage then don't marry a GBLT person.

    Mmmm... BLT.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,132 ✭✭✭x in the city


    Disgraceful behaviour from the security and they should be punished for discrimination, this type of thing should not happen in this day and age

    many cork city bouncers are 15 stone retards with the IQ of a pigeon


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Monty. wrote: »
    When are the Irish people going to be given a referendum on gay marriage ?
    Let democracy decide, as in the case of divorce, abortion etc.
    Monty. wrote: »
    What are you talking about ? Divorce and Abortion was decided this way, people would also argue they have a right to these as well.

    Why are you so afraid of giving the people a referendum in a democracy ?
    Monty. wrote: »
    The pick and choose excuse, democracy when it suits, dictatorship when it doesn't
    Monty. wrote: »
    Why not allow a referendum on this subject as well then ?
    That's what democracy is all about.
    Monty. wrote: »
    Exactly, so why prevent one, when we have other referendums ?

    Democracy, hypocrisy....

    People should not have the right to vote on everything. The public should not be allowed to vote on an individual's life, an individual's freedom or an individual's property. This include an individual's priviate life. The state and the law should have no domain over these issues, especially in the personal relationship between two consenting adults. Democracy, the will of the majority, should only prevail in public or political affairs. Democracy should be limited by inalienable individual rights.

    In relation to marriage, the same thing applies. The state or the law should have no right whatsoever to dictate who you can or cannot marry.

    The will of the majority doesn't automatically mean the issue is right. Historically speaking, putting issues of rights, personal freedom and privacy into the public domain for scrutiny and judgement by the people has lead to dictatorships. Why? Because the will of the majority can easily be subjugated by misconceptions, lies and corruption.

    When democracy goes beyond the realm of political and public affairs it is dangerous and should be feared. Democracy has its benefits and its flaws. A stable democracy is one that recognises that the rights and freedoms of an individual are completely inalienable, untouchable and indissoluble, even if the will of the majority is against it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    My ma's dog is gay, he tries to hump my sisters dog and he gets pissed off.

    Do gay dogs go to heaven?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    many cork city bouncers are 15 stone retards with the IQ of a pigeon

    *cough*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    TheZohan wrote: »
    My ma's dog is gay, he tries to hump my sisters dog and he gets pissed off.

    Do gay dogs go to heaven?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056359305&page=4


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Have the two students being named?

    The bar has been named so if one of them was considering legal action and willing to contribute to Cork local radio then surely they should identify themselves too?

    This incident happened but suppose it didn't
    There would be threads on boards and in the media, a business has their reputation questioned but the lads don't get named at all
    Seems unfair


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    Couldn't see this anywhere else on thread, apologies if already posted.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/the-old-oak-owner-defends-his-bar-165209.html
    "I DON’T care what people do as long as they don’t do it in the
    streets and scare the horses."

    That was the view of the famous English stage actress Mrs Patrick Cambell
    on homosexual canoodling when she learned that an elderly actor had the
    hots for a young male trouper.

    Chances are she would have been bemused by plans to hold a “maul-fest”
    or “kiss-in” at the Old Oak pub in Cork on Saturday.

    That’s the latest salvo being fired in a battle by gay rights activists to
    highlight what they see as discrimination against a gay male couple ejected
    from the bar.

    One of the pair, a 21-year-old student at Cork Institute of Technology,
    said he was asked to leave the Old Oak on Oliver Plunkett Street by a
    security person after being warned twice for kissing another man.

    The student was in the Old Oak at 1.30am on Saturday enjoying a live
    music session.

    He said he and the other man had a brief kiss, away from the dance floor,
    when he was told by a member of security that they would be asked to
    leave if it happened again.

    The two men then kissed on the dance floor and the student said he was
    immediately approached by the security person and told to leave.

    He said: “I was absolutely shocked that it happened. I still cannot quite
    believe it. This is the 21st century — these things should not happen in
    modern Ireland. Gay people are not second-class citizens.”

    Bar owner Ger Kiely couldn’t agree more and he is determined to find out
    exactly what happened by meeting the two young men face-to-face and
    interviewing the doorman involved.

    “If we are wrong, we are wrong and I have no problem admitting that, if
    that is the case, but I must, to be fair to everyone, find out exactly what
    happened. I want to meet with the two lads myself. I want to listen to
    them and hear what they have to say. That is the decent thing to do.”

    In the meantime, he is anxious to defend his and his pub’s reputation as a
    venue open to all.

    “In the 20 years we have been operating here, we have never
    discriminated against anyone — customers or staff — on the grounds of
    their sexual orientation. “We have never been anti-gay or anything like it.
    In fact, when we started out we had a number of gay staff members and
    that was at a time when it was far more difficult for gay people in Ireland.

    “We have a lot of gay customers. We hold regular nights for gay customers
    and, as a live music venue, we have gay bands playing and we advertise
    and promote them. We also have regular ‘L Nights’ for lesbian customers.
    They have stopped for the summer but we will be looking at doing them
    again in the autumn.

    “It is totally and utterly untrue to say we are in any way homophobic.

    “We recently did a charity night for the gay community and we didn’t
    charge a cent, even though it was a Saturday night, which is normally one
    of our busiest.”

    Mr Kiely said he found some of the comments posted on Facebook and
    other social network sites to be deeply upsetting.

    “Some of the stuff on the internet is absolutely beyond disgraceful and
    totally untrue.”

    The pub’s own Facebook page, where many had left comments voicing
    their anger at last Saturday’s events, was deleted on Monday night.

    Speaking on behalf of the college student, CIT Students’ Union president
    Chris Scanlon said he believed the pair had been wronged.

    “We are seeking vindication for the student who has chosen not to talk to
    the media. Once the owner of the Old Oak issues a public apology, the
    whole thing will be cleared up.”

    However, he stressed that the students’ union had no involvement in any
    plans for a protest at the Old Oak or had anything to do with proposals for
    a “maul-fest” due to be held there next Saturday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Pub owner seems sound enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    Pub owner seems sound enough.

    Yup, he sure does.
    It was never likely that the allegedactions of the bouncer represented the attitude of the pub anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Fair enough, true; but it's often been my experience that business owners will scramble to deny everything and close ranks first, and then do the thinking afterwards. I think that's a pretty fair response all round though, I can't fault it.

    Although something about this -
    We also have regular ‘L Nights’ for lesbian customers.
    They have stopped for the summer but we will be looking at doing them
    again in the autumn.

    - struck me as quite endearingly Fr Ted-esque. ("They've taken the lesbians in for the summer Father...")


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    Fair enough, true; but it's often been my experience that business owners will scramble to deny everything and close ranks first, and then do the thinking afterwards. I think that's a pretty fair response all round though, I can't fault it.

    Although something about this -



    - struck me as quite endearingly Fr Ted-esque. ("They've taken the lesbians in for the summer Father...")

    'Sure don't they take the roads in when it rains' too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    I considered making some kind of "Shur don't they all migrate South for the winter?" joke, but I just couldn't find the right segue for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    I considered making some kind of "Shur don't they all migrate South for the winter?" joke, but I just couldn't find the right segue for it.



    Hmm,I just learned a new word

    Segue: To move smoothly and unhesitatingly from one state, condition, situation, or element to another.

    Feck it, now I want to watch Fr Ted :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    Personally, I doubt that gay people would want to get married in a Catholic Church given the RCC's stance on homosexuality.


    But there are, however, a lot of happily Catholic gay people who would love nothing more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭end a eknny


    The sight of two people kissing makes me uncomfortable, but as a man the sight of two men kissing makes me physically sick, may seem homophobic or whatever but thats just me, I just find it revoltimg
    it would make most people sick why do you think george micheal or elton john never took out a song called "i kissed a man and i liked it" or two young boys had a **** song go to number one by dressing as school boys dancing around in the rain and kissing. as for the old chestnut of if you dont like it dont look or mind yor own buisness. surely if you kiss in public the whole idea is to get people to look or to make your buisness known


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭doomed


    Personally I don't give a damn if people are snogging on a dance floor., gay straight or taking a love of animals that bit too far. If I'm sitting down having a pint though I would prefer if the people next to me weren't bet into each other, especially if they start knocking over glasses.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭LeeHoffmann


    it would make most people bigots sick
    fyp ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    marty1985 wrote: »
    But there are, however, a lot of happily Catholic gay people who would love nothing more.

    I would consider them idiots. Why would you remain part of a religion which demonises you?
    it would make most people sick why do you think george micheal or elton john never took out a song called "i kissed a man and i liked it" or two young boys had a **** song go to number one by dressing as school boys dancing around in the rain and kissing. as for the old chestnut of if you dont like it dont look or mind yor own buisness. surely if you kiss in public the whole idea is to get people to look or to make your buisness known

    What is wrong with you? How does anyone in this day and age have such a ****ed up attitude towards homosexuals?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭end a eknny


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    I would consider them idiots. Why would you remain part of a religion which demonises you?



    What is wrong with you? How does anyone in this day and age have such a ****ed up attitude towards homosexuals?
    what is your problem. i couldnt give a flyin **** whether somebody is gay are not. i am just making the point that seeing two men kissing is not pleasing to the eye. everybody says its alright for them to kiss in public but wont tell me why its not alright for them are indeed straight couples to have sex in public both are very natural things. and who has the authority to judge what is morally acceptable and what is not


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭LeeHoffmann


    two men kissing doesn't upset my poor wee eye one bit. You're equating one couple kissing with another couple shagging - kinda different don't you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    it would make most people sick why do you think george micheal or elton john never took out a song called "i kissed a man and i liked it" or two young boys had a **** song go to number one by dressing as school boys dancing around in the rain and kissing. as for the old chestnut of if you dont like it dont look or mind yor own buisness. surely if you kiss in public the whole idea is to get people to look or to make your buisness known

    So basically you don't have an issue with homosexuality, just the man on man stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    why do you think george micheal or elton john never took out a song called "i kissed a man and i liked it" or two young boys had a **** song go to number one by dressing as school boys dancing around in the rain and kissing.

    Have you ever seen the video for George Michael's Outside?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭criticalcritic


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    The sight of two people kissing makes me uncomfortable, but as a man the sight of two men kissing makes me physically sick, may seem homophobic or whatever but thats just me, I just find it revoltimg

    Why are you looking in the first place?

    I mean, I don't like seeing anyone kiss. So I don't look. What's the problem?

    I find with homosexuals that alot of is about being in your face and exhibitionist, that you cant help but notice no matter where you look.

    Homosexuals want not to be offended by people on regards their life choice and rights, but they dont have right to tell people not to be offended by their public displays of affection and sexual exhibitionism, a person has right to be offended and explain why so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    iregk wrote: »
    Have you ever seen the video for George Michael's Outside?

    Plus "Relax" by Frankie Goes to Hollywood went to number one and that was about male on male bum sex.
    I find with homosexuals that alot of is about being in your face and exhibitionist, that you cant help but notice no matter where you look.

    Homosexuals want not to be offended by people on regards their life choice and rights, but they dont have right to tell people not to be offended by their public displays of affection and sexual exhibitionism, a person has right to be offended and explain why so.

    They are not being showy, you can't help but see because you dislike it so much. It's like people who hate spiders will always be the first one to spot the spider in the corner of the shower.

    I find the exhibitionist bit a tad odd, like you get your experience of gay people from TV. Most of the gay lads i know you could never tell if they were gay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,386 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    iregk wrote: »
    Have you ever seen the video for George Michael's Outside?
    that was a satirical video was it not?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    it would make most people sick why do you think george micheal or elton john never took out a song called "i kissed a man and i liked it" or two young boys had a **** song go to number one by dressing as school boys dancing around in the rain and kissing. as for the old chestnut of if you dont like it dont look or mind yor own buisness. surely if you kiss in public the whole idea is to get people to look or to make your buisness known

    I'm not sure where you were between the years of 1980-89, but I can assure you that the theme of male homosexuality was covered at some length.


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