Gay couple kicked out of bar for kissing on the dancefloor

TylerIE · 24-08-2011 12:06PM

The Highwayman wrote: »

nah fecking q----s should keep their back alley shananigans to q---r pubs. I'v been turned away from the george bingo for being straight and was with two p
s at the time. Life not fair............................................. build a bridge and get over it.

The reason you would have been turned away is likely your attitude - someone who uses words like you did would thankfully (usually) be spotted a mile off at venues like the George.

Master and commander · 24-08-2011 12:09PM

in fairness now, i mean a pub is a privately owned premises, its not a public place really. so i think the owners should be allowed to decide who is and is not allowed, gay, straight bi or whatever.

For instance I was to decide to go into a women only place like, i dunno, say a beauty parlour and i was asked to leave, and then i went to the equality authority, would i be entertained in my claim or be told to feck off(in nicer words though)

To much state interference in private business is what has the country fecked.

TylerIE · 24-08-2011 12:15PM

Master and commander wrote: »

in fairness now, i mean a pub is a privately owned premises, its not a public place really. so i think the owners should be allowed to decide who is and is not allowed, gay, straight bi or whatever.

For instance I was to decide to go into a women only place like, i dunno, say a beauty parlour and i was asked to leave, and then i went to the equality authority, would i be entertained in my claim or be told to feck off(in nicer words though)

SO which of the following should a pub owner be allowed discriminate against:

Black/ White
Men / Women
Persons of Asian Ethnicity / Caucasians
Protestant/Catholic
People on social welfare vs the Employed
Priest / Civilian
Muslim / Christian
College Graduates / Tradespeople
Long Haired Individuals vs Short Haired Individuals
Black haired / Red haired people
tall people / short people
Gay People / Straight People

Need I go any further?

To much state interference in private business is what has the country fecked.

Funny how Pubs are known as "Public Houses" and many even have this over the door?

fedor.2. · 24-08-2011 12:21PM

lst wrote: »

The reason you would have been turned away is likely your attitude - someone who uses words like you did would thankfully (usually) be spotted a mile off at venues like the George.

Thats discrimination. Hes entitled to any attitude he wants

Logical Fallacy · 24-08-2011 12:23PM

Master and commander wrote: »

in fairness now, i mean a pub is a privately owned premises, its not a public place really. so i think the owners should be allowed to decide who is and is not allowed, gay, straight bi or whatever.

Ah yes, this tired old argument. A pub is a private premises that is licensed to provide a service and is bound by the rules under which it submitted for that license.

Any special enforceable rules a pub wishes to operate under can be submitted as house rules at the time of the license request/renewal.

Seriously, these thread would be a lot easier if people hit search on Google before post on boards.

For instance I was to decide to go into a women only place like, i dunno, say a beauty parlour and i was asked to leave, and then i went to the equality authority, would i be entertained in my claim or be told to feck off(in nicer words though)

It's metrosexual times man, no beauty parlour is gonna turn you away. A better example would be somewhere likes Curves gym etc.

To much state interference in private business is what has the country fecked.

Truth. I mean, who needs things like Labour Laws, Health and Safety Regulations and the like. Pile of ****e the lot of em.

TylerIE · 24-08-2011 12:27PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Thats discrimination. Hes entitled to any attitude he wants

Thank you for that contribution.

Interesting that you feel its unacceptable to decline patronage to those who are likely to use derogatory terms against their customers.

CorkMan · 24-08-2011 12:28PM

'Tis unacceptable Joe.

Son Of A Vidic · 24-08-2011 12:32PM

Skunkle wrote: »

The question is WHY were they instructed to stop.

Possibly because the bar/club in question is predominantly frequented by Heterosexuals? And possibly because such an act could start of some homophobes and give the bouncers a whole night of work.

It's a two-way street though, my best mate and his wife were asked to leave a pub in Brighton last year when they got smoochy. It was a mixed crowd and they had no idea it was a gay bar. Unfortunately, they quickly found out after a few pecks.

fedor.2. · 24-08-2011 12:36PM

lst wrote: »

Thank you for that contribution.

Interesting that you feel its unacceptable to decline patronage to those who are likely to use derogatory terms against their customers.

Only certain customers

TylerIE · 24-08-2011 12:44PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Possibly because the bar/club in question is predominantly frequented by Heterosexuals? And possibly because such an act could start of some homophobes and give the bouncers a whole night of work.

It's a two-way street though, my best mate and his wife were asked to leave a pub in Brighton last year when they got smoochy. It was a mixed crowd and they had no idea it was a gay bar. Unfortunately, they quickly found out after a few pecks.

Id find it unacceptable that [assuming we have all the facts] they, your straight friend and his wife, were asked to leave a gay bar. I'm certainly aware that staff may inform them that this is a predominantly gay venue, and perhaps offer a refund of admission etc if they wish to leave, but they shouldnt have been forced to.

AFC_1903 · 24-08-2011 04:26PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Thats discrimination. Hes entitled to any attitude he wants

Nope, if the door staff have the "right to refuse or revoke admission" then I'd say individuals having an attitude likely to cause trouble and upset other customers is one of the better reasons to refuse entry.

end a eknny · 24-08-2011 05:05PM

lst wrote: »

SO which of the following should a pub owner be allowed discriminate against:
Black/ White

Men / Women

Persons of Asian Ethnicity / Caucasians

Protestant/Catholic

People on social welfare vs the Employed

Priest / Civilian

Muslim / Christian

College Graduates / Tradespeople

Long Haired Individuals vs Short Haired Individuals

Black haired / Red haired people

tall people / short people

Gay People / Straight People

Need I go any further?

Funny how Pubs are known as "Public Houses" and many even have this over the door?

there is only one where he wont end up in court and thats your average straight white non traveller male

end a eknny · 24-08-2011 05:09PM

SayWhaaat wrote: »

There's one that certainly offended me!

I'm a gay, out 18 year old (not the "I'm gay DEAL WITH IT!" kind), just a quiet lad who happens to like other lads.

The fact that it wasn't a bar soley dedicated for gay people does not mean that two lads cant kiss each other. In the same sense that gay bars dont tell straight couples to not kiss, less it offend homosexual people. Because it doesn't. NO gay person I know would ever spout bullsh*t like "I just don't want to see straight people kissing in gay bars, flaunting their sexuality". They don't f*cking care. And the tiny minority that might are taking their sexual identity way too seriously.

My mates are predominantly straight people, meaning my nights out usually consist of "straight" pubs or clubs. If me and my boyfriend go out with my circle of friends to a pub like the old oak, HOW is it fair that my friends can kiss their girlfriends on the dancefloor, but I cant kiss my boyfriend. My straight mates wouldn't encounter any such bigotry in a gay bar (and never have)

I don't give a f*ck if some think that "society is'nt ready for this" because as far as I can tell, society was never fond of abolishing slavery, equality for black people, divorce etc. Society ADAPTS and its ignorance such as yours that delays this adapting and makes my life more difficult.

Is this guy f*cking serious?! Please replace the word travellers with black people and watch the sh*tstorm you create.

frankly, I'm done appeasing people by toning it down with my boyfriend to not cause trouble. It's people like those two lads in Cork that create change by going against the status quo.

So yes, I don't give a toss if you want me banned from kissing my boyfriend just so youre not put off your pint. Complain to the next straight ugly couple who kiss while youre at it, because NOTHING will stop me from showing abit of affection (not wearing the face off) to my boyfriend, something you can do in any bar, gay or straight.

Finally, I'll finish with something I said in the Cork thread. It's people with the views of the two above that caused me to consider commiting suicide at 12 because I wasn't normal, that I'd never have a normal life. What 12 year old deserves this?

If me kissing my boyfriend in front of a young gay kid in a straight environment encourages him to think that he can live a normal life and find love, then I can gladly say you can shove your opinions right up your holes.

finally an admission by an openly gay person that it is not normal. as for shove opinions where you like sticking your willy no thanks. its fair to say nobody here has said anything against gays but a lot of people just dont want to see two men kissing. where is the problem with that

TylerIE · 24-08-2011 05:13PM

end a eknny wrote: »

there is only one where he wont end up in court and thats your average straight white non traveller male

I didnt ask which would land him in court, I asked which all you think its reasonable for a landlord to discriminate against.

MagicSean · 24-08-2011 05:16PM

So just to confirm, there is absolutely no evidence that their sexual orientation had anything to do with them being thrown out and it is just as possible the bouncer was your everyday wanker?

TylerIE · 24-08-2011 05:19PM

end a eknny wrote: »

finally an admission by an openly gay person that it is not normal.

Where exactly does he say that its "not normal".

as for shove opinions where you like sticking your willy no thanks.

Its obviously more than just kissing you be thinking about when you picture guys kissing. He never mentioned sex. Its quite presumptuous to comment what activities the poster engages in.

its fair to say nobody here has said anything against gays but a lot of people just dont want to see two men kissing. where is the problem with that

So youve nothing against them so long as they are hidden. What happens if they dont hide? Kick them out? What if they dont hide on the street? Prison? Repeat offenders? Maybe you should move to Uganda, they share your views there.

mikemac · 24-08-2011 05:22PM

end a eknny wrote: »

finally an admission by an openly gay person that it is not normal.

I think you've misquoted the lad there

CdeC · 24-08-2011 05:57PM

end a eknny wrote: »

finally an admission by an openly gay person that it is not normal. as for shove opinions where you like sticking your willy no thanks. its fair to say nobody here has said anything against gays but a lot of people just dont want to see two men kissing. where is the problem with that

I think you've got it wrong, he had the impression that it is not normal. Gay is a normal sexual orientation.

As far as not seeing two men kissing you should gouge your own eyes out mate, then you'll be safe!!!

Killer Pigeon · 24-08-2011 06:07PM

end a eknny wrote: »

finally an admission by an openly gay person that it is not normal.

What exactly do you mean by "not normal"? Do you mean unnatural or not conforming to so-called "social norms". I will address both.

Physiologically speaking homosexuality isn't "natural" but psychologically it is natural. Why? Because attraction to someone of the same sex is natural for a gay person, it would be unnatural for that person to lie and say he/she was attracted to someone of the opposite sex when they clearly don't. Homosexuality/ bisexuality is not a choice.

Homosexuality/ bisexuality is not normal when contrasted with modern widespread "social norms". "Social norms" are merely subjective social constructs that change over time, therefore individual social norms are not natural. To have social norms is natural to the human condition but the individual "social norms" are not natural. As "social norms" are irrelevant because they are unnatural, we can therefore say that the only natural thing is the natural compulsion of the individual.

end a eknny wrote: »

as for shove opinions where you like sticking your willy no thanks. its fair to say nobody here has said anything against gays but a lot of people just dont want to see two men kissing. where is the problem with that

People may not like to see gay people kissing but they have no right to judge or tell them to stop kissing. The public should not be allowed to interfere in the private lives of two individuals.

end a eknny · 24-08-2011 07:06PM

so people who are offended by gays kissing should basically go **** themselves. what about gays having sex sure its natural why should have a problem with 2 gays having sex in the open. should they hide or be shot because they want to have sex. its disgusting that 2 consenting adults cant have sex on the street without some religous freaks or do gooders trying to stop them

jive · 24-08-2011 07:06PM

SayWhaaat wrote: »

A straight black couple would not have been thrown out of that pub. The facebook photo album shows many a straight couple tongue deep in one another. Fail arguement is fail.

And gingers wouldn't get stopped from kissing in a club. Gingers dont get the **** kicked out of them and there hasn't been great concerns over the suicides of ginger kids for being ginger. What are you talking about?

Did the facebook album show a straight black couple kissing? If not then you have failed dearly. If it did show a black couple kissing, then provide the evidence, thanks. The thing is that they weren't thrown out for being gay. Stop trying to latch onto a story that doesn't exist.

Gingers get hassled all the time and I have on one occasion seen a ginger person be harassed for being ginger and then upon responding to the person harassing him he was set upon. There have been great concerns over the suicides of white males. What's your point?

geetar wrote: »

you sir, are a cúnt, and also an idiot.

you cant ban anyone from a pub, regardless of what/who they are. fact. it's not about getting on and getting over it and moving to a different pub, why the **** should they!?

So because I disagree with your vague and unlearned opinions I am a cúnt and an idiot? I beg to differ.

You can ban anyone from a pub. Scumbags often get rejected by the bouncers for just looking like scumbags even if they are obliging the dress code. I don't see you getting your knickers in a twist about the scumbags who get told "not tonight lads" every other night.

lst wrote: »

They can get a civil partnership, wow. Not married now, no way. Civil Partnership[, none of this old adopting lark or that.

Edit: Only last Friday Marcellus Andrews, 19, was beaten to death in Iowa by a group who used anti gay taunts... So you still say gay people are allowed live?

Hold on. So gay people want to get married in a church that condemns homosexuality? Yes, that makes perfect sense. Of course they can't get phucking married, it's a religious ceremony. They get the same thing as marriage without the religious affiliation. Do you actually expect the church in this country to allow gay people to marry? I'm not saying I agree with it, or that I respect the church at all, but the teachings (albeit there are plenty of other ridiculous ones) explicitly condemn homosexuality.

Yes gay people are allowed to live. They might get harassed for not confiding by the norm but so does everyone else who isn't 'normal'. Just because that guy was beaten to death by people who used anti gay slurs doesn't mean it was a hate crime. In my opinion, it probably had something to do with it but don't act like this is a regular occurrence in the western world when it's not.

end a eknny · 24-08-2011 07:09PM

for every gay person who is a victim of assault and there is an outpouring of rage. 50 non gay people get assaulted for no reason and nobody hears or gives a ****

DebDynamite · 24-08-2011 07:17PM

jive wrote: »

Hold on. So gay people want to get married in a church that condemns homosexuality? Yes, that makes perfect sense. Of course they can't get phucking married, it's a religious ceremony. They get the same thing as marriage without the religious affiliation. Do you actually expect the church in this country to allow gay people to marry?

Marriage is a civil union between two people, a legal contract. Religion doesn't come into it. You think athiests can't get married?

Continue.

TylerIE · 24-08-2011 07:17PM

Hold on. So gay people want to get married in a church that condemns homosexuality? Yes, that makes perfect sense. Of course they can't get phucking married, it's a religious ceremony. They get the same thing as marriage without the religious affiliation. Do you actually expect the church in this country to allow gay people to marry? I'm not saying I agree with it, or that I respect the church at all, but the teachings (albeit there are plenty of other ridiculous ones) explicitly condemn homosexuality.

Yes gay people are allowed to live. They might get harassed for not confiding by the norm but so does everyone else who isn't 'normal'. Just because that guy was beaten to death by people who used anti gay slurs doesn't mean it was a hate crime. In my opinion, it probably had something to do with it but don't act like this is a regular occurrence in the western world when it's not.

I dont know any gay people that want to get married in a church that condemns homosexuality. In fact I never mentioned the church. You did.

Married as regards Civil Marriage. You do know that the Church and the State are two seperate entities? Civil Partnership is not the same as marriage. For a start its called Civil Partnership, not Civil Marriage.

The Catholic Church, and some others, condemn homosexuality. Some churchs welcome LGBT individuals, and even offer commitment ceremonies or Marraige in countries where its legal. Even more have an evolving position that.

Its not a "regular occurance" but its a real fear. Its a real fear for young gay men and women growing up in Ireland. Its a real fear that you could be killed or beaten up. Its a fear that you will never be allowed kiss your partner in public. Its a fear that you will never have legal protection to start a family. Its a fear that legally your a second class citizens. Iv seen the aftermath of some of the life-threatening / life-changing gay bashing incidents. Its not pleasant.

All of these fears are real and founded - like I said Iv seen it with my own eyes - so dont start patronizing people about being too fearful - theres enough "legal discrimination" without pubs being allowed kick people out for kissing each other.

TylerIE · 24-08-2011 07:23PM

end a eknny wrote: »

what about gays having sex sure its natural why should have a problem with 2 gays having sex in the open. should they hide or be shot because they want to have sex. its disgusting that 2 consenting adults cant have sex on the street without some religous freaks or do gooders trying to stop them

Well we were just talking about kissing.

LighterGuy · 24-08-2011 07:25PM

As other people said in the thread straight people get thrown out for kissing.
So no big deal. People shouldnt try to twist this into a "ireland is anti-gay" thing :rolleyes:

mikemac · 24-08-2011 07:26PM

This issue is resolved and the owners put out a statement

But it's still raging on boards

jive · 24-08-2011 07:26PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Marriage is a civil union between two people, a legal contract. Religion doesn't come into it. You think athiests can't get married?

Continue.

I stand corrected and excuse my ignorance. What's the difference between a civil marriage and a civil partnership? (curious)

lst wrote: »

Its not a "regular occurance" but its a real fear. Its a real fear for young gay men and women growing up in Ireland. Its a real fear that you could be killed or beaten up. Its a fear that you will never be allowed kiss your partner in public. Its a fear that you will never have legal protection to start a family. Its a fear that legally your a second class citizens. Iv seen the aftermath of some of the life-threatening / life-changing gay bashing incidents. Its not pleasant.

pubs being allowed kick people out for kissing each other.

Until I see some statistics backing up gay people being beaten and killed just for being gay then I'm not going to comment on it because I don't know enough about it. Anyone could be beaten and killed, not just because they are gay. Not being allowed to kiss in public isn't really a fear. Gay people are allowed to kiss in public. They might be hassled by scumbags for it, but that's the way it is and it's not going to change in our life time. I don't understand why gay people are legally second class citizens. Explain please

Having legal protection to start a family re adoption is a completely different discussion altogether though and not one I particularly want to indulge into.

Bolded the last part because that hasn't actually happened yet people are still commenting on it.

Sonics2k · 24-08-2011 07:32PM

jive wrote: »

Hold on. So gay people want to get married in a church that condemns homosexuality? Yes, that makes perfect sense. Of course they can't get phucking married, it's a religious ceremony. They get the same thing as marriage without the religious affiliation. Do you actually expect the church in this country to allow gay people to marry? I'm not saying I agree with it, or that I respect the church at all, but the teachings (albeit there are plenty of other ridiculous ones) explicitly condemn homosexuality.

Haha.

Oh wow you've totally missed the point mate.

aaronjumper · 24-08-2011 07:32PM

Tis like a rock concerts mosh pit in here.

Gay couple kicked out of bar for kissing on the dancefloor

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