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'Should of' v. 'Should have': which is correct?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭FTGFOP


    Better in, then out.
    Should of, of course.
    Makes since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Columbia


    Have.

    In "I should have done X", the word 'have' is an auxiliary verb, which is a verb we use in English to form a sentence structure, although the verb itself is usually stripped of its meaning. 'To be' ("I am going there") and 'to do' ("Do you smoke?") are the other main auxiliary verbs in English. Other languages use auxiliary verbs similarly, I think French is an example.

    "I should of done X" is not a sentence structure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    FTGFOP wrote: »
    Better in, then out.

    Is it just my dirty mind, or does the above actually make sense if you repeat it often enough ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Enkidu


    How is this a real question?

    "Should of" makes no grammatical sense whatsoever. "of" is not a verb.
    "Should" is the imperfect, and the imperfect can only be applied to a verb.

    "I should have done" is the past imperfect of "I do". The past tense, technically speaking, is "I have done", then you add the imperfect, "I should have done."

    Where the hell does "of" come into this? :confused:
    What?:confused:
    Should is the conditional of shall, a modal verb expressing intention. "Have" is another model verb marking the perfect. The verb is "to do".
    "I have done" is the perfect.
    "I should have done" is the intentional perfect.
    The imperfect is "I would do" or more commonly "I used to do".
    The past tense is "I did".

    I also realise this is After Hours so: I should of done yore Ma!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭RhubarbCrumble


    Should HAVE!
    Should HAVE!
    Should HAVE!
    Should HAVE!
    Should HAVE!

    Excuse me, I'm calm now :P

    That is one thing that REALLY annoys me :mad:

    Also "I would have went if I'd know it was on". NO, you would have "gone" if you'd known it was on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    And here was me worrying about whether my company would still be in existence this time next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    Where's the option for should've?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Hey, why can't we print more money?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Christ on a bike, can we not have the same posts and the same threads every single day, please?

    Also, for the oiks, it's not "should have went" kthxbai.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭EmatoelDiablo


    Blisterman wrote: »
    Where's the option for should've?

    That's an abbreviation of should have.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Should have.

    Doesn't annoy me quite as much as "play it by year", makes no bloody sense!
    The Irish Independent (which obviously has such a high editorial standard that they would never make mistakes) came out with a classic variation on this lately:
    "sometimes he needs a clip around the year."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Should have - e.g. I should have done that
    That's an abbreviation of should have.

    No flies on you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭EmatoelDiablo


    stovelid wrote: »
    No flies on you.

    Indeed :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 329 ✭✭Magic Beans


    I just read a post containing the pseudo-word "profilled". I have to read the post four times trying to figure what profiled, I assumed a bad spelling, had to do with the sentence. Eventually I figured out the poster meant fulfilled.

    Our education system is abyssimal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,383 ✭✭✭emeraldstar


    Dionysus wrote: »
    It's time for an AH poll on this as both versions appear to be widely used here.

    I've always said 'should have' - e.g. 'I should have done that' - but the more I read AH the more I realise I could, possibly, be incorrect.

    So, denizens of Afterhours: which is correct?
    Are you seriously asking this question? :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭EmatoelDiablo


    Our education system is abyssimal.

    I do believe that it is our youth that is broken, not the education system :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    How is this a real question?

    "Should of" makes no grammatical sense whatsoever. "of" is not a verb.
    "Should" is the imperfect, and the imperfect can only be applied to a verb.

    "I should have done" is the past imperfect of "I do". The past tense, technically speaking, is "I have done", then you add the imperfect, "I should have done."

    Where the hell does "of" come into this? :confused:

    Agreed.

    I find it unbelievable that the OP even needed to ask this question...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Should have - e.g. I should have done that

    Our education system is abyssimal.

    Do you mean abysmal?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Our education system is abyssimal.

    "It's like raiiiii......iiiiin, on your wedding day....."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Forest Master


    Dionysus wrote: »
    It's time for an AH poll on this as both versions appear to be widely used here.

    I've always said 'should have' - e.g. 'I should have done that' - but the more I read AH the more I realise I could, possibly, be incorrect.

    So, denizens of Afterhours: which is correct?

    Why the fook is this a poll? It's not subjective, FFS!! :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    Why the fook is this a poll? It's not subjective, FFS!! :mad:

    By that poll I see at least 4 people have the literacy level of a (stupid) primary school kid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    I can't believe this is still coming up here all the time.

    On a related note, one that really bugs me and seems to be more common is when someone says/writes:
    "If I had of got up early, I would have gone for a run."

    It's so annoying because it's such a multi-layered mistake.
    First, the person obviously means to say "If I had've got," short for "had have got."
    But that would still be wrong, it's simply "If I had got." I've no idea why people add the "have/of."

    I'm continuously amazed by the way so many people are unable to master some of the basics of their own language.

    And that's my grammar lessons done for today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭baltimore sun


    ha, glol at the 4 losers who voted "should of" :p


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    ha, glol at the 4 losers who voted "should of" :p

    I'm sure stovelid and co. are weeping into their sleeves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    On a related note, one that really bugs me and seems to be more common is when someone says/writes:
    "If I had of got up early, I would have gone for a run."
    Perhaps it do be coming from Hiberno-English? It somehow has that sound about it.

    Also, most of us learn our first language, primarily in an aural mode so it is hardly surprising that you will occasionally or even regularly see “being” rather than “been” or “taught” rather than “thought” etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    "If I had of got up early, I would have gone for a run."

    it's simply "If I had got."

    It's actually "If I had gotten...."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    It's actually "If I had gotten...."

    hehe. Now who's taking the piss! Go back to America with that muck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    It's actually "If I had gotten...."

    In American English, yes, but in British English the past participle of "get" is "got," so you'd say "I've got two dogs" or "I'd got..".

    Of course here we're quite mid-Atlantic in our language, so we mix American and British English with Hiberno-English, so both "got" and "gotten" are correct, though "gotten" is more common.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Brooke Poor Sportsman


    As long as we stay away from "if i would have got up early"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    lugha wrote: »
    Perhaps it do be coming from Hiberno-English? It somehow has that sound about it.

    Also, most of us learn our first language, primarily in an aural mode so it is hardly surprising that you will occasionally or even regularly see “being” rather than “been” or “taught” rather than “thought” etc.

    Could be, the structure of Irish is often a little more convoluted than English, so that translates over to Hiberno-English, like "Is it yourself that's in it?" or "I've an awful hunger on me."

    I also think people are just used to hearing "should," "would," and "could" followed by "have" in the past tense, so it sounds natural to follow the ""d" sound of "had" with "have" in the past as well.


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