Gay couple kicked out of bar for kissing on the dancefloor

Sonics2k · 23-08-2011 07:20PM

later10 wrote: »

Who said it was a house rule? Is it?

For the record.
It's not.

And to my knowledge this is not the first time a gay couple has been asked to leave the Old Oak in similar circumstances.
Oddly enough I've never heard of a straight couple (or even two young good looking girls) get removed for kissing there.

prinz · 23-08-2011 07:21PM

Could I just point out that I have heard another version of the story from a friend in Cork that puts an entirely different slant on it?

In the version I heard the two lads were pissed and acting like morons, and the fact they were booted had less to do with the fact they were kissing than with the fact they were acting like drunken fools in general. Of course it's much easier to scream homophobia..

Nolanger · 23-08-2011 07:21PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Oddly enough I've never heard of a straight couple (or even two young good looking girls) get removed for kissing there.

Bet if a straight couple kissed on a dancefloor in a gay nightclub they would?

Sonics2k · 23-08-2011 07:24PM

Nolanger wrote: »

Bet if a straight couple kissed on a dancefloor in a gay nightclub they would?

Doubt it.
I've been going to Cork's main gay bar for years with my friends, and not once has a bouncer asked me to leave for kissing my girlfriend there.

Sure there may be a few people there who may not like it, the same as a in any other bar.
The point is a couple should not be removed from a bar for simply kissing eachother.

It would be understandable for any couple to removed from a bar for getting extremely physical with eachother, but not a kiss.

TheZohanS · 23-08-2011 07:30PM

We Need Community wrote: »

I would question why they were given that direction in the first place, surely that alone is discriminatory, would this happen to a couple that were not gay

I was told to take out an eyebrow ring once by security as I was entering a nightclub. Reason? In case someone started on me and ripped out the ring. I told the bouncer I'd take my chances and he refused me entry, for my own safety. I took out the ring and was allowed inside.

later10 wrote: »

Who said it was a house rule? Is it?

It was a direction given by the people responsible for the safety and welfare of all patrons frequenting the premises. If you don't like the rules you can leave.

The bouncers gave them fair warning and they continued, they knew what would happen.

MungBean · 23-08-2011 07:31PM

EDIT: nevermind.....stupid post

MungBean · 23-08-2011 07:38PM

TheZohan wrote: »

I was told to take out an eyebrow ring once by security as I was entering a nightclub. Reason? In case someone started on me and ripped out the ring. I told the bouncer I'd take my chances and he refused me entry, for my own safety. I took out the ring and was allowed inside.

It was a direction given by the people responsible for the safety and welfare of all patrons frequenting the premises. If you don't like the rules you can leave.

The bouncers gave them fair warning and they continued, they knew what would happen.

Thats not a licence to discriminate though. The question is WHY were they instructed to stop.

TylerIE · 23-08-2011 07:39PM

TheZohan wrote: »

They were given a direction by security which they ignored, only after that were they removed from the premises. They were being unreasonable by not complying with House Rules. Nothing to see here, move along.

If security told a patron to skull ten pints, or strip, or told a straight guy to kiss another guy would it then be acceptable for security to tell them to leave if they failed to comply?

If the incident is as described, security gave a discriminatory and unreasonable direction in the first place. Hopefully the alleged victims get access to CCTV to prove their case, but innocent until proven guilty of course (although if there is cameras but CCTV is hidden that does raise questions).

FlutterinBantam · 23-08-2011 07:44PM

Hazys wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/cork-bar-accused-of-kicking-gay-couple-out-for-kissing-207647-Aug2011/

Pretty f'd up in this day and age.

I live in the Massachussetts where gay marriage is legal and its not uncommon to see gay folks holding hands walking down the street without being bothered or anything.

In my home town Cork, it'd be very rare see to openly gay people on the street but even with that i'm still very suprised that there is that level of discrimination.

Even with the recognization of same-sex unions, i'd have to think Ireland is not as open to gay people as most other progessive countries.

Provincetown lad are we?;)

Old Oak · 23-08-2011 07:53PM

official statement from both parties involved:

Joint Statement re incident in Old Oak – Friday 19th into Saturday 20th August 2011

We, the parties involved in the incident last Friday night, met today, 23rd
August, to discuss the events which occurred.

After deliberations and discussions both parties accepted and conceded that mistakes were made by all involved.

The Old Oak apologised for any offence which was taken, but stressed that no offence whatsoever was meant or intended as we are not and never have been anti Gay.

Equally the couple involved, who wish to remain anonymous, accepted that they could have handled matters in a better way.

Both parties look forward to continuing good relations and custom.

TheZohanS · 23-08-2011 07:59PM

lst wrote: »

If security told a patron to skull ten pints, or strip, or told a straight guy to kiss another guy would it then be acceptable for security to tell them to leave if they failed to comply?

Stop being silly.

If the incident is as described, security gave a discriminatory and unreasonable direction in the first place. Hopefully the alleged victims get access to CCTV to prove their case, but innocent until proven guilty of course (although if there is cameras but CCTV is hidden that does raise questions).

How do you know? How do you know that the two weren't dry humping on the dancefloor and in the way of other revellers?

Or a bouncer told the two guys not to snog because they knew it would get a bad reaction from a few d1ckheads in the bar/club then what's the problem? He was saving them some grief and keeping them safe. It's sad that we still live in a world where not everyone accepts gay people but that's life.

Do you honestly think a bouncer would personally give a damn if two guys were kissing? He would in his bollocks, all they want to do is head home in one piece and not have to spend ages writing up incident sheets. Or even worse have to leave the premises to drive someone that's been assaulted to casualty because some drunken ass took exception to him kissing another fella.

wild_cat · 23-08-2011 08:03PM

TheZohan wrote: »

How do you know? How do you know that the two weren't dry humping on the dancefloor and in the way of other revellers?

Or a bouncer told the two guys not to snog because they knew it would get a bad reaction from a few d1ckheads in the bar/club then what's the problem? He was saving them some grief and keeping them safe. It's sad that we still live in a world where not everyone accepts gay people but that's life.

Do you honestly think a bouncer would personally give a damn if two guys were kissing? He would in his bollocks, all they want to do is head home in one piece and not have to spend ages writing up incident sheets. Or even worse have to leave the premises to drive someone that's been assaulted to casualty because some drunken ass took exception to him kissing another fella.

Why not kick out the homophobes?

I read in the comments of the journal article that the club in question had plenty of pictures of girls kissing each other on their facebook page.

WeightierDisc · 23-08-2011 08:04PM

Gary Oak?

I always thought he was after Misty? Or Nurse Joy? Not Ash, or Professor Oak for that matter?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 23-08-2011 08:05PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I've seen straight people get kicked out of bars for eating the faces of each other. Is it not a rule in loads of nightclubs that there's to be no kissing on the dance-floor?

In my experience its common bar/club policy to ask people to be a little discrete with their public displays of affection.

I've asked straight and homosexual couples to observe the premises rules more times than I could possibly recall for the forum, and each & every time its only been gay couples who have made an issue of it.

Usually in the case of homosexuals its a case of equal rights for all, but we're more equal than the others!.

charlemont · 23-08-2011 08:08PM

The bouncer who was involved in that incident is always trying to push his weight around anyway.

TheZohanS · 23-08-2011 08:08PM

wild_cat wrote: »

Why not kick out the homophobes?

I read in the comments of the journal article that the club in question had plenty of pictures of girls kissing each other on their facebook page.

Thing is you won't know who they are 'til after they've started on some poor sod.

prinz · 23-08-2011 08:11PM

wild_cat wrote: »

Why not kick out the homophobes?

In fairness let's say I went up to the Players Lounge in a Rangers jersey with my Union Jack flag the bouncers would be right to kick me out rather than try to kick out say twenty/thirty or so people who might take issue with me. That's not to say the others wouldn't be arseholes, but it's just realistic.

They need to keep order and deal with problems quickly and quietly, sometimes that involves getting the people 'in the right' to go somewhere else. It would be as much for my own protection as anything else.

The same things applies on boards tbh, even if you are technically in the right, the Mods will sometimes pander to the regular/more numerous forum users in order to maintain the peace.

WindSock · 23-08-2011 08:14PM

stovelid wrote: »

Quit the pc lecture. In not condoning it, just wondering why they would bother kicking them out a It's bound to cause negative publicity.

I was being neither politically correct nor lecturing when I said the trouble making people should be removed, rather than the affectionate ones.

MitchKoobski · 23-08-2011 08:16PM

I like how a response has been given by the pub and both sides have settled it between themselves....and yet the argument keeps going.

Boards.....Boards never changes....

Dudess · 23-08-2011 08:29PM

The anti Old Oak Facebook pages are ridiculous - so hysterical and OTT. It is very easy to take things at face value and assume this was a blatant act of gay-bashing. And even though The Old Oak is a place where gropey PDAs are very much prevalent - the place is known for it - it is also an extremely blokey, macho establishment, so two lads snogging could have caused absolute ructions, and the bouncers may just have been doing what it took to prevent a sh1t-storm. And protecting the safety of the lads.

Surprised to hear of any college kids in the place anyway - its clientele is MUCH older. To be honest, I suspect they were on a wind-up...

TouchingVirus · 23-08-2011 08:30PM

MitchKoobski wrote: »

I like how a response has been given by the pub and both sides have settled it between themselves....and yet the argument keeps going.

Boards.....Boards never changes....

I like how you're hopping onto all the threads on the incident trying to stifle discussion by posting the same thing :pac:

stovelid · 23-08-2011 08:30PM

WindSock wrote: »

stovelid wrote: »

Quit the pc lecture. In not condoning it, just wondering why they would bother kicking them out a It's bound to cause negative publicity.

I was being neither politically correct nor lecturing when I said the trouble making people should be removed, rather than the affectionate ones.

*If* it was a case of avoiding trouble and not homophobia, I would hate to go to a pub where the bouncers simply waited for things to kick off instead of proactively trying to prevent trouble.

I'm sorry for snapping at you. My post was rude.

If things have been "amicably resolved", it smells of somebody not having a leg to stand on..

Dudess · 23-08-2011 08:31PM

WindSock wrote: »

Tie a pink ribbon around the Old Oak pub.

Brilliant!

hatrickpatrick · 23-08-2011 08:36PM

It's probably not actually the club's policy, just that a lot of contract (as opposed to club employed) bouncers are absolute w@nkers and apply their own rules to the place.

The issue is when management refuse to control their bouncers and take appropriate action when they step out of line.
If I owned a club I would operate a very strict policy where by bouncers get one strike and they're out. If it's not in the written policy of the club, you don't have the right to enforce it.

MitchKoobski · 23-08-2011 08:38PM

TouchingVirus wrote: »

I like how you're hopping onto all the threads on the incident trying to stifle discussion by posting the same thing :pac:

You lie! Two threads and two different posts!

TouchingVirus · 23-08-2011 08:40PM

MitchKoobski wrote: »

You lie! Two threads and two different posts!

I...I think we've got a bite on this one Captain :pac:

TylerIE · 23-08-2011 08:41PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Stop being silly.

Not being silly, just you feel that bouncers can blindly instruct patrons who are then oblidged to comply.

How do you know? How do you know that the two weren't dry humping on the dancefloor and in the way of other revellers?

I dont know, hence why I stated alleged incident, and innocent until proven guilty [ie the venue is innocent until proven guilty].

Or a bouncer told the two guys not to snog because they knew it would get a bad reaction from a few d1ckheads in the bar/club then what's the problem? He was saving them some grief and keeping them safe. It's sad that we still live in a world where not everyone accepts gay people but that's life.

Fair enough advising them to tone it down, but not acceptable ejecting them for failing to do so. Its up to the bouncer to protect his patrons and eject anybody who does give them grief. The people who would take a violent stance against guys kissing are likely the same people who would be starting rows anyway.

Do you honestly think a bouncer would personally give a damn if two guys were kissing? He would in his bollocks, all they want to do is head home in one piece and not have to spend ages writing up incident sheets. Or even worse have to leave the premises to drive someone that's been assaulted to casualty because some drunken ass took exception to him kissing another fella.

Yes I know bouncers who do take exception to guys kissing (including two in a "straight" venue that has a gay night, although they just put up& shut up). Many of them, but most bouncers I know wouldnt care.

OT but no venue Ive ever had an involvement with (And theres many) has EVER driven a casualty to hospital, so thats no excuse. EVER! And over the course of about 6 years Iv had dozens of clubs, and hundreds of hospitalizations stemming from nightclubs.

MitchKoobski · 23-08-2011 08:41PM

TouchingVirus wrote: »

I...I think we've got a bite on this one Captain :pac:

.......:pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 23-08-2011 08:41PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's probably not actually the club's policy, just that a lot of contract (as opposed to club employed) bouncers are absolute w@nkers and apply their own rules to the place.

The issue is when management refuse to control their bouncers and take appropriate action when they step out of line.
If I owned a club I would operate a very strict policy where by bouncers get one strike and they're out. If it's not in the written policy of the club, you don't have the right to enforce it.

I'm with you 99% of that.

But one strike and your out was grand when money was into the hand.

Now we're paying taxes you've all the rights and protection of any other employee and its not simply a matter of one mistake, or your face doesn't fit the club anymore.. Although it is easier to move contract security lads about.

I only ever worked for one security company, and sweet mother of baby Jesus I'd never work for a company again.. 'In house' all the way.

Killer Pigeon · 23-08-2011 08:46PM

TheZohan wrote: »

They were given a direction by security which they ignored, only after that were they removed from the premises. They were being unreasonable by not complying with House Rules. Nothing to see here, move along.

If it was the case that there were straight people kissing in view of the bouncer but the bouncer did nothing about it and then saw two gay people kissing and go for them instead, then that's discrimination. House rules or none. It's like kicking a black person out of a bar for being black because of "house rule".

Gay couple kicked out of bar for kissing on the dancefloor

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