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"Of being able to bow to the past, but not be bound by it." Queen Elisabeth IIt

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  • #32
    Laminations
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for all the tourists btw!!

    How do ya like them apples?
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0823/tourism-business.html

    And before you squawk that this is just the general trend in tourism, trips by Irish abroad were only up 5.9%, compared to trips by visitors into Ireland up by15.6%


  • #33
    blahfckingblah
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    wasnt the europa league final at the same time? id like to see how many of these tourists were in porto and braga shirts


  • #34
    Laminations
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    blahfckingblah wrote: »
    wasnt the europa league final at the same time? id like to see how many of these tourists were in porto and braga shirts
    The biggest increase came from continental Europe, with visitor numbers to Ireland up 24%. Visits from Ireland's biggest tourism market, Britain, grew by 8.5%, while trips from North America were up 17%. Trips from other countries rose by 21.3%.

    While the travelling football brigade might contribute to the continental Europe figure, it doesn't explain the other large increases.


  • #35
    blahfckingblah
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    Laminations wrote: »
    While the travelling football brigade might contribute to the continental Europe figure, it doesn't explain the other large increases.
    im not saying there wasnt an increase because of the visit but i think the timing of it was perfectly judged to take advantage of such events.


  • #36
    Laminations
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    blahfckingblah wrote: »
    im not saying there wasnt an increase because of the visit.

    Ok then.

    Wolfe Tone asked to see where the extra visitors were, I showed him.


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  • #37
    getz
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    blahfckingblah wrote: »
    im not saying there wasnt an increase because of the visit but i think the timing of it was perfectly judged to take advantage of such events.
    if at that time you were watching TV in the UK, you may well of seen many programs about beautiful ireland,many of the UKs older citizens loved it and many went [and are going] to see for themselves.even now there is a lot of irish programs on.because i am a irish holiday fanatic,i get ask ,is it as nice as they say ?


  • #38
    anymore
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    Laminations wrote: »
    How do ya like them apples?
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0823/tourism-business.html

    And before you squawk that this is just the general trend in tourism, trips by Irish abroad were only up 5.9%, compared to trips by visitors into Ireland up by15.6%
    That is a reflection of the Irish economy in comparison to the rest of Europe - it is also, by the way a reflection of Ryan air advertising !


  • #39
    Rebelheart
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    Sergeant wrote: »
    This might be a more reliable source.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/travel/2011/0730/1224301600531.html

    Indeed, this part in particular stood out: 'All key markets were ahead with an increase of 7 per cent in the number of visitors from the UK, 12 per cent from North America, 10 per cent from mainland Europe."


    So, there was a greater increase in the number of people from both the US and mainland Europe than there was from Britain. Let me guess: the "all roads lead to mother England" John Bull underclass will claim that the increase from these areas is all down to the visit of the British queen? :rolleyes:

    So, where is this "tourist bonanza" from the British because of this visit? And stop trying to colonise the US and mainland EU figures and claim them for your political point. It's just silly. Nobody here has proven that the visit had any bearing on even the British tourist numbers.


  • #40
    Wolfe Tone
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    The lack of Iceland spewing ash all over europe of course means numbers were higher.


  • #41
    Rebelheart
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    Sand wrote: »
    I dont think any apology would have meant much. Queen Elizabeth didnt have a hand in any crime I am aware of, so shes nothing to apologise for....

    The Provisional IRA claimed to act in the name of Ireland - a claim arguably endorsed by the constitutional claim by Ireland over Northern Ireland. Should Irish politicians tour the UK apologising to the families of various victims of Provo violence?

    I think the focus on what are meaningless apologies by people and to people who have no involvement in the events undermine actual, real and genuine apologies. They in fact absolve actual wrongdoers from having to take responsibility for making their own apologies. The people who deserve apologies are the victims of various injustices - from the victims of terrorist atrocities to the likes of the Guilford 4/Birmingham 6. The people who ought to make an apology are those responsible for those acts.

    This seeking of meaningless apologies for wrongs never suffered by the wider public is just pathetic wallowing in victimhood as an aspect of national identity. M.O.P.E.

    Suffering Jesus. :rolleyes: So now the actions of the Provos are comparable to the actions of the English and British crowns in Ireland since, at least, Humphrey Gilbert's decimation of Munster in the 1560s? Not forgetting the theft of the entire country, the persecution century after century of those who resisted, the overthrow of parliamentary democracy in the summer 1613 by the British colonial community, the imposition of a herrenvolk apartheid Penal Laws system from 1691 and so very, very much more - not to mention forcing the English language down Irish throats from at least 1537.

    Yes, the campaign by the Provisional IRA from January 1970 until August 1994/July 1997 is comparable to this (and of course the IRA is still occupying part of Britain today as it has been for centuries). Well done.

    As for "apologies", the only real apology the British state can make is its withdrawal from the last remnant of its Irish colony. It's going to happen sometime. It's only a matter of timing. I agree with you in your opposition to "meaningless apologies". As for your claim that the people who should make apologies are those "responsible" for the crime, how very convenient for your pro-British political sympathies that the modern-day beneficiaries of the crime - such as the British state which claims ownership of Irish land gained through genocide against the native Irish- are omitted from this.

    As I said: if the British were actually sorry about their role in Ireland, they'd withdraw their mercenaries and state from Ireland. Until they do, the modern British state in Ireland rests upon the foundation stone of abject savagery that was the actions of Essex, Spenser, Bingham, Gilbert, Cromwell and all the rest of England's "civilisers". Actions speak louder than words.


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  • #42
    Laminations
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Indeed, this part in particular stood out: 'All key markets were ahead with an increase of 7 per cent in the number of visitors from the UK, 12 per cent from North America, 10 per cent from mainland Europe."


    So, there was a greater increase in the number of people from both the US and mainland Europe than there was from Britain. Let me guess: the "all roads lead to mother England" John Bull underclass will claim that the increase from these areas is all down to the visit of the British queen? :rolleyes:

    Eh... and Obama, you know, the American President.
    Nobody here has proven that the visit had any bearing on even the British tourist numbers.

    Why limit it to British tourists? The publicity from the visits was worldwide, pictures of Ireland were on screens all over the globe.

    We are above any other western European destination for % increase in visitor numbers from Europe
    http://www.etc-corporate.org/resources/uploads/ETC-%20July%202011%20Trends%20and%20Outlook%20-%20final.pdf


  • #43
    getz
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Suffering Jesus. :rolleyes: So now the actions of the Provos are comparable to the actions of the English and British crowns in Ireland since, at least, Humphrey Gilbert's decimation of Munster in the 1560s? Not forgetting the theft of the entire country, the persecution century after century of those who resisted, the overthrow of parliamentary democracy in the summer 1613 by the British colonial community, the imposition of a herrenvolk apartheid Penal Laws system from 1691 and so very, very much more - not to mention forcing the English language down Irish throats from at least 1537.

    Yes, the campaign by the Provisional IRA from January 1970 until August 1994/July 1997 is comparable to this (and of course the IRA is still occupying part of Britain today as it has been for centuries). Well done.

    As for "apologies", the only real apology the British state can make is its withdrawal from the last remnant of its Irish colony. It's going to happen sometime. It's only a matter of timing. I agree with you in your opposition to "meaningless apologies". As for your claim that the people who should make apologies are those "responsible" for the crime, how very convenient for your pro-British political sympathies that the modern-day beneficiaries of the crime - such as the British state which claims ownership of Irish land gained through genocide against the native Irish- are omitted from this.

    As I said: if the British were actually sorry about their role in Ireland, they'd withdraw their mercenaries and state from Ireland. Until they do, the modern British state in Ireland rests upon the foundation stone of abject savagery that was the actions of Essex, Spenser, Bingham, Gilbert, Cromwell and all the rest of England's "civilisers". Actions speak louder than words.
    stop your anti;british obsession,no one is impressed ,get a life and enjoy yourself, people in england do not have horns and a tail,i just hope no old dear on holiday from the UK ever meets the kind of hate that is being thrown about on these threads,


  • #44
    Laminations
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    Rebelheart wrote: »
    As for your claim that the people who should make apologies are those "responsible" for the crime, how very convenient for your pro-British political sympathies that the modern-day beneficiaries of the crime - such as the British state which claims ownership of Irish land gained through genocide against the native Irish- are omitted from this.

    And here was me thinking NI benefited from the billions of subsidies poured into it by Britain. How does Britain benefit from 'your' land? Is it rich in resources, does it have a hugely productive slave population? That is the status quo. You get benefits from Britain and the majority of residents there want to remain part of Britain. Deal with it. What makes you think Ireland wants you back anyway?


  • #45
    anymore
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    getz wrote: »
    stop your anti;british obsession,no one is impressed ,get a life and enjoy yourself, people in england do not have horns and a tail,i just hope no old dear on holiday from the UK ever meets the kind of hate that is being thrown about on these threads,

    Circa 20% 0f British people do want a monarchy.


  • #46
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    The lack of Iceland spewing ash all over europe of course means numbers were higher.

    The numbers are based on the first quarter of 2011, which means the first three months, comparing with 2010 first three months.

    When was that ash cloud in 2010? Middle to late April 2010, so not included in these figures.

    So the ash cloud has zero to do with this.


  • #47
    Laminations
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    anymore wrote: »
    Circa 20% 0f British people do want a monarchy.

    That's their business

    More than half of Catholics said they would prefer to stay in the UK, a view shared by 90% of Protestants.

    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/survey-most-northern-ireland-catholics-want-to-remain-in-uk-16012932.html#ixzz1VrAzhbRw


  • #48
    Laminations
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    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    The numbers are based on the first quarter of 2011, which means the first three months, comparing with 2010 first three months.

    When was that ash cloud in 2010? Middle to late April 2010, so not included in these figures.

    So the ash cloud has zero to do with this.

    Numbers are actually Q2 or year to date. But the ash cloud doesn't explain why Ireland as a destination has a greater % increase than any other western european countries.


  • #49
    anymore
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    Laminations wrote: »
    That's their business

    More than half of Catholics said they would prefer to stay in the UK, a view shared by 90% of Protestants.
    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/survey-most-northern-ireland-catholics-want-to-remain-in-uk-16012932.html#ixzz1VrAzhbRw
    Then i suggest we should borrow another hundred million euros to subsidise them on their journey back to Brittain , - better make that England as the unruly Scots are not all that keen to be part of the UK anymore.


  • #50
    Laminations
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    anymore wrote: »
    Then i suggest we should borrow another hundred million euros to subsidise them on their journey back to Brittain , - better make that England as the unruly Scots are not all that keen to be part of the UK anymore.

    Subsidise who? The majority of NI? To return to where? Britain? They are already in Britain... and will be until a majority decide otherwise


  • #51
    getz
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    anymore wrote: »
    Circa 20% 0f British people do want a monarchy.
    is that all,i am impressed that makes 80% want to keep a monarchy,i call that success,


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  • #52
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    Laminations wrote: »
    Numbers are actually Q2 or year to date. But the ash cloud doesn't explain why Ireland as a destination has a greater % increase than any other western european countries.

    I was taking the first quarter from this link:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/travel/2011/0730/1224301600531.html

    "The data, collated by Tourism Ireland, show a 9 per cent increase in overseas visitor numbers to the Republic and 4 per cent to Northern Ireland in the first quarter."

    Well, no reasons but you can take a good guess. Better value, cost of stay, the Queen/Obama visits.


  • #53
    anymore
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    Laminations wrote: »
    Subsidise who? The majority of NI? To return to where? Britain? They are already in Britain... and will be until a majority decide otherwise
    Of course we in the Republic are already subsdising her majesty's citizens in the six counties of ireland to the tune of a few hundred million so facilitiating thier return to the Mother Country shouldnt be a huge difference to us.


  • #54
    Laminations
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    anymore wrote: »
    Of course we in the Republic are already subsdising her majesty's citizens in the six counties of ireland to the tune of a few hundred million so facilitiating thier return to the Mother Country shouldnt be a huge difference to us.

    Sorry, answer the question. Facilitate the return of whom? The majority of NI citizens who want to remain part of the UK? and to where? NI is Britain.


  • #55
    getz
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    anymore wrote: »
    Of course we in the Republic are already subsdising her majesty's citizens in the six counties of ireland to the tune of a few hundred million so facilitiating thier return to the Mother Country shouldnt be a huge difference to us.
    for every pound the UK sends to the EU the UK taxpayer that includes northern ireland, gets 6p back,now who has been getting the money ? not the UK thats for sure,so who was subsdising who


  • #56
    anymore
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    Maybe her majesty could use Great Windsor Park to build a new town for her long lost subjects and of course there is Sandringham as well - not to mention the Prince of Wales's estates.


  • #57
    who the fug
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    anymore wrote: »
    Maybe her majesty could use Great Windsor Park to build a new town for her long lost subjects and of course there is Sandringham as well - not to mention the Prince of Wales's estates.


    Or we can keep the nuts jobs were they are, be a shame to split them from the nut jobs they grew up with .


  • #58
    anymore
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    getz wrote: »
    for every pound the UK sends to the EU the UK taxpayer that includes northern ireland, gets 6p back,now who has been getting the money ? not the UK thats for sure,so who was subsidising who
    Well, let me see, the UK has negotiated its terms with the EU at least twice and your are telling that they only get 6p back for every pound it sends to Europe. Far be it from me to dispute this, but I certainly didnt think they could be that stupid.
    Do you think David Cameron knows this - if he did he surely would ahve had that referndum he was always going on about in opposition.


  • #59
    Laminations
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    anymore wrote: »
    Maybe her majesty could use Great Windsor Park to build a new town for her long lost subjects and of course there is Sandringham as well - not to mention the Prince of Wales's estates.

    What subjects? The majority of NI? Clarify. You've been asked a few times now. And why should they leave NI when it is Britain?


  • #60
    anymore
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    Laminations wrote: »
    What subjects? The majority of NI? Clarify. You've been asked a few times now. And why should they leave NI when it is Britain?
    Try to think of the land mass of the six counties as being on temporary loan to her Majesy's Government - a bit like the lease of Hong Kong except without the formalities.


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  • #61
    getz
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    anymore wrote: »
    Well, let me see, the UK has negotiated its terms with the EU at least twice and your are telling that they only get 6p back for every pound it sends to Europe. Far be it from me to dispute this, but I certainly didnt think they could be that stupid.
    Do you think David Cameron knows this - if he did he surely would ahve had that referndum he was always going on about in opposition.
    it get even worse of that 6p about 2p of that money pays for the extra costs of actually being part of the EU,the UK is the second largest net contributor[-4 billion per year] so the UK and germany recieve =net=nothing.


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