Do you judge people who don't aim for high paid jobs?

Sarah? · 21-08-2011 07:28PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Put it this way. If your sister or gf decided that she wasn't going to go to college (or trade or something with a lot of potential) and was going to work as a receptionist, would you not try to persuade her to better herself? I know I would and I think most people would agree whether they admit it or not.

I have neither a girlfriend nor a sister, but if I thought they would gain from going to college and it would suit them, then I'd encourage them to do that but let them make their own decision. If I thought they wouldn't like studying or wouldn't make an effort in college then I'd let them off, otherwise it would be a waste of time and money, and they wouldn't enjoy it.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 21-08-2011 07:29PM

i think as long as the person is happy in their job and gets paid well then who are we to judge,sometimes the most simplest jobs can be rewarding and less stressful.

Looking at youth today,most want to be footballers/X factor winners!.

Mr. Manager · 21-08-2011 07:30PM

As long as they were happy and could pay their way I wouldn't give a toss.

mytwocents · 21-08-2011 07:30PM

mr.jingle wrote: »

Does it matter in this day and age? Its all about who you know nowadays not what you know!

I know lads working in retail packing shelves that are more intelligent than some others i know that went to college got there degrees who are sitting at home now on the dole.

I hate that nonsense it's "all about who you know". It really isn't. At the end of the day companies want the best candidates and they aren't going to pick some idiot over a very well-qualified candidate simply because the idiot knows someone working there. If two candidates are pretty much even, then yes, contacts could easily come into play.

But saying "it's all about who you know" is a defeatist attitude.

drkpower · 21-08-2011 07:32PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Put it this way. If your sister or gf decided that she wasn't going to go to college (or trade or somehthing with a lot of potential) and was going to work as a receptionist, would you not try to persuade her to better herself?.

What, by getting an Arts degree...?!:rolleyes:

If she was going to get a job as a receptionist and work hard, impress and try to spot opportunities to climb the ladder, she would be far better off than spending 3 years drinking & passing the odd exam in sociology.

You appear to grant a certain kudos to a 'degree', for the sake of a degree, which is nonsense. It tells a tale that you havent divulged what the nature of your college education was.:D

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 21-08-2011 07:32PM

mytwocents wrote: »

But saying "it's all about who you know" is a defeatist attitude.

its not,its prevalent in the pub/private sector,many have got their in-laws/cousins/children into the jobs,with lack of work out there i wouldn't surprised if its more common.

Jess16 · 21-08-2011 07:33PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

I know people who never even did their leaving cert and are more intelligent and hard working than people with degrees.

Just not hard-working enough to sit their Leaving Cert? So what's the barometer of their alleged intelligence -your personal perception of them?

UrbanSea wrote: »

Why would you look down on them? Unless you're an arrogant prick

I think the OP's term was actually 'judge' Captain Paranoia. Judgements stemming from the small fact that most people in the modern world require a formal education to have a basic stab at being successful in life

LETHAL LADY · 21-08-2011 07:34PM

The majority of people working in this country are working in lower to middle income jobs.
So judging people soley on how much they earn or are aiming to earn or whether they went to college or not seems a bit shallow tbh.

The Princess Bride · 21-08-2011 07:34PM

No I don't.
I don't give a damn once people get off their ass and do a job of any description.
With the qualifications and experience I have ,I could easily apply for a job that pays thousands more than the one I have.
Why don't I?
Simple.
I love my job,I'm good at it- if I won the lotto in the morning, I wouldn't give it up.
AND, if I was still in my previous permanent pensionable job,I reckon I'd have had a bloody stroke by now.
So OP.
Living ain't all about the money,you know.

donkey_kong · 21-08-2011 07:35PM

Neither of my parents are college-educated nor are they particularly career/salary minded. They both earn enough money that they are able to enjoy their life and are therefore happy with their lot. I simply don't understand how anybody could possibly judge them negatively because they choose to live their lives in such a way that they are not slaves to chasing a higher wage.

Lollipops23 · 21-08-2011 07:35PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I do. The exception being people who have a trade, own their own business, making something of themselves, etc.

But I judge people who prefer not to go to college because they prefer to make money after school. People like receptionists. They must make very little in terms of salary. Why wouldn't they wait 3/4 years, get a degree and double their salary.

There's a girl in my group who never went to college. She works in admin and makes very litle money. She has admitted waiting on a man to come along and marry her. Isn't that a bit selfish? She basically wants him to provide for her.

I know some people don't go to college because they can't afored it but they are in the minority. I'm guessing most just want cash as soon as possible.

Am I harsh?

I'm a receptionist. I'm also making more than most of the people in my class in college. I'm also making more than my OH who has a masters. I also went to college.

/Thread.

21-08-2011 07:36PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I have amended my thread title. It was taking away from the point I was trying to make.

It sounds just as stupid as judgemental as the original one

life is not about whether you went to college or earn a lot of money
jesus

mytwocents · 21-08-2011 07:37PM

Ailani Strong Caterpillar wrote: »

its not,its prevalent in the pub/private sector,many have got their in-laws/cousins/children into the jobs,with lack of work out there i wouldn't surprised if its more common.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen...but it's not the most important thing, or anything like it. No company would hire an absolute idiot over a very qualified person simply because a relative was in the company. It just would not happen.

mytwocents · 21-08-2011 07:42PM

donkey_kong wrote: »

Neither of my parents are college-educated nor are they particularly career/salary minded. They both earn enough money that they are able to enjoy their life and are therefore happy with their lot. I simply don't understand how anybody could possibly judge them negatively because they choose to live their lives in such a way that they are not slaves to chasing a higher wage.

Our parent's generation is a lot different to ours. Back in my parents time it was not the norm to go to college (both of my parents did, but some of their friends didn't and have done extremely well for themselves). I'm pretty sure my parents had to pay fees to go to college which many families couldn't afford back in those days and also I think career prospects back then without a degree were a lot better than they are for people nowadays without a degree.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 21-08-2011 07:46PM

is law expensive to study,or is just too boring?,i ask because i never heard of anyone from legal profession coming from a disadvantaged background.

nicechick! · 21-08-2011 07:50PM

Yes it is harsh!

I dropped out in second year! I thought the course wasn't for me but looking back I know now I'm an activist I learn through doing I hated and still hate theory based subjects... boredom I needed to see the end result...

I still succeeded in creating a career for myself why???? I had the drive, energy, ambition, passion to succeed. I have seen persons who spent years studying and achieving great results academically fail miserably in there careers. The reality of theory vs the actual for many was stressful, daunting and for many couldn't actually apply there learning in practice and achieve the goals set out for them.

I went back to college part time and my first thoughts were just pass.. I would never achieve well academically but instead the learning I applied to my career through achieving results set out by myself and of course my obligation to the organisation. I sat among others in similar careers with a degrees already achieved and still achieved more by gaining the next promotion based solely on my achievements through my work.

Employers have a criteria set out against any position they advertise experience/education are obviously very important but what they want to see is that the individual they hire can deliver!! They want a result!

That said pay should never be the driver though its great to have a strong income you need to enjoy what your doing! People forget there own personnel well being and end up in careers they hate...

locked_out · 21-08-2011 07:50PM

Law is an easy Degree. You don't even need maths as a requirement. Saturated Market imo.

Jess16 · 21-08-2011 07:52PM

bluewolf wrote: »

life is not about whether you went to college or earn a lot of money

And what little outcrop of Utopia do you live on? The one where everything's free and simple apparently. Ideally, you're right but reality doesn't cater to ideals. Life may be all about the happiness but until houses are free and bills pay themselves, then education and money will always be components of that happiness

Biggins · 21-08-2011 07:53PM

Do you judge people who don't aim for high paid jobs?

No.
If they are content, happy etc at the level at what they are at - why should we judge them in poor light?

Sarah? · 21-08-2011 07:53PM

mytwocents wrote: »

I'm not saying it doesn't happen...but it's not the most important thing, or anything like it.

Obviously not for well paying jobs where you need certain qualifications. But for your average seventeen-to-eighteen year old looking for their first job so they can get a bit of work experience, knowing someone is probably the most important thing, after having good previous experience, but you need to know someone to get that. :rolleyes:

For example, about 80% of the people working in my local pub are close relatives of the owner.

I also someone whose six children have also somehow managed to get jobs in the same place they work in (for a year or two each). All had little/no previous work experience whatsoever.

And that's just a couple of examples off the top of my head.

13spanner · 21-08-2011 07:54PM

I don't judge people who don't aim for high paid jobs (we cant all be doctors). I judge people who get those jobs and look down on the rest of us.

But what impresses me is people who see an opportunity and go for it, make their own breaks. Self made people who work hard for what they own.

21-08-2011 07:54PM

Jess16 wrote: »

And what little outcrop of Utopia do you live on? The one where everything's free and simple apparently.

Get a grip :rolleyes::rolleyes:
This is about other people, not our own ambitions. If someone is happy "being a receptionist" (wtf is wrong with that) and paying their bills, why does clever mr OP think they should be "judged"?

Biggins wrote:

No.
If they are content, happy etc at the level at what they are at - why should we judge them in poor light?

Precisely. Particularly if they're getting by on a job they like doing.

mytwocents · 21-08-2011 07:58PM

Ailani Strong Caterpillar wrote: »

is law expensive to study,or is just too boring?,i ask because i never heard of anyone from legal profession coming from a disadvantaged background.

Well obviously it's free to do a law degree as it is any other degree.

I don't think it's boring at all, far from it.

After a law degree, you either have to do your FE1's (these are necessary to become a solicitor) or go to Kings Inns. It does cost money to do both of these but I wouldn't say it's prohibitive to people from less well off backgrounds. Finding a good barrister to devil with without any connections I think would be difficult though.

mytwocents · 21-08-2011 08:01PM

Sarah? wrote: »

Obviously not for well paying jobs where you need certain qualifications. But for your average seventeen-to-eighteen year old looking for their first job so they can get a bit of work experience, knowing someone is probably the most important thing, after having good previous experience, but you need to know someone to get that. :rolleyes:

For example, about 80% of the people working in my local pub are close relatives of the owner.

I also someone whose six children have also somehow managed to get jobs in the same place they work in (for a year or two each). All had little/no previous work experience whatsoever.

And that's just a couple of examples off the top of my head.

Ok I'll accept in small-ish family run businesses and entry-level jobs that contacts are important, but for more professional jobs, contacts are not the be-all-and-end-all.

Dionysus · 21-08-2011 08:06PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I do. The exception being people who have a trade, own their own business, making something of themselves, etc.

But I judge people who prefer not to go to college because they prefer to make money after school. People like receptionists. They must make very little in terms of salary. Why wouldn't they wait 3/4 years, get a degree and double their salary.

There's a girl in my group who never went to college. She works in admin and makes very litle money. She has admitted waiting on a man to come along and marry her. Isn't that a bit selfish? She basically wants him to provide for her.

I know some people don't go to college because they can't afored it but they are in the minority. I'm guessing most just want cash as soon as possible.

Am I harsh?

I don't aim for a highly-paid job, but I do aim for a job which brings me satisfaction and a sense of achievement every day. If I get highly-paid (as opposed to well-paid) in the process that will be nice. It's certainly not the aim. Been there; done that: if that's the aim of one's daily work it gets very empty and unsatisfactory at some stage. One day it will hit you: I have enough money for things, I feel financially secure and my career is going places - so why am I not happy? And from there you start to find your own values and build your own character. That's pretty cool by any honest standard.

If only they had degrees for experience!

Overheal · 21-08-2011 08:10PM

Define High-Paying job. Oh, you meant monetarily.

There are other forms of payment. Job satisfaction accounts for a lot. Why should everyone go out and be a doctor or a lawyer if they aren't going to enjoy it? Sure we all love being paid boatloads of money but how many can say they're happy defending murderers or watching people die on your beds every day?

Don't get me wrong if a girl said she was dossing about so some man would marry her out of her rut then I'd judge her for living in a chivalrous fantasy world that pre-dates the civil rights movement. But the average pleb is no worse off because he builds roads instead of building cars.

Overheal · 21-08-2011 08:12PM

If only they had degrees for experience!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_degree

Cantona's Collars · 21-08-2011 08:12PM

I suppose a thread bashing those who go out and work makes a change from the dole scroungers/single mothers etc. threads.

I'm sure a lot of receptionists etc. are doing better now than a lot of college educated folk who have to go sign on every week.

A mate of mine made a good statement during the boom-he bemoaned the fact that he went to college and works in computers yet 17 year olds on building sites were earning far more,it's swings and roundabouts of course,he's still working now.The 17 year olds didn't feel the need to go to college at the time when they could earn over €1000 a week (more like 4 days) which was fantasy money for a teenager.

Even so,if a person is happy with there lot and in employment what gives anyone the right to look down on them.

OneArt · 21-08-2011 08:13PM

For some people low-paying jobs, full time or part time, suit them. My mother works as a secretary at a school so she is able to make a bit of extra cash for herself and still look after the rest of the family.

For me I'm not too concerned about getting more money, I just want to work in a job I'm happy in and as long as I have enough money to save, pay the rent & bills and some to spend I'm more than happy. I waitered for years and hated it and now I teach English and MUCH prefer it. I'm more interested in improving myself in a career I'm interested in, as I want my work to be something I actually enjoy. I used to wake up every day dreading going into work as a waiter but as a teacher I'm much more comfortable going into a class, talking to people and helping them with their English.

lecker Hendl · 21-08-2011 08:24PM

Job satisfaction with low money > depressed in a job with good money

Although I think I am hovering in between.

Do you judge people who don't aim for high paid jobs?

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