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Would you go out with someone who had been to prison?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭inkwell


    Siuin wrote: »
    "I'm a single, caring, easygoing, open-minded young man with lots of love and compassion in my heart for humanity and all things created by God."
    -- Crime: Capital murder. On Death Row.

    ???

    What are your question marks for - my post about "nice selection" was sarcastic.. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    would be crime dependant

    drugs : yeah
    any form of violent crime against men : no
    political lark : unless its for lefty hippy stuff then yeah sure
    fraud : perfect match id say

    But violent crime against women is OK then? :P

    To answer the question, I would say no to drug-dealers, robbers, gang members, murderers and any kind of general scumbaggery.
    Petty crime is ok as long as they're reformed now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Nadser


    Been there, done that ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Didn't we have a thread like this before where someone found out their BF was on crimeline?

    If you found out your other half was on Crimeline, I'm not sure the internet would be my first stop in all honesty.

    Prison means nothing, sure you get jail for not paying TV licence or bin charges, the should give medals for resisting the sh1te RTE dripfeed viewers.

    The real question would be would I go with someone who's committed a crime. The answer would really depend on the crime and the person. Mostly the crime though, simply because there are some crimes that are beyond the pale and you can't be reformed, such as rape. Interestingly, I don't think murder (obviously in certain circumstances) is one. TBH I don't agree entirely with what Padraig Nally did, but if he was a young, 18-22 female, and ginger, she'd get the shift :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    Only if the person is guilty of crimes against humanity.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭AgileMyth


    would be crime dependant

    drugs : yeah
    any form of violent crime against men : no
    political lark : unless its for lefty hippy stuff then yeah sure
    fraud : perfect match id say
    Violent crime against women is cool though right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tonto86


    annascott wrote: »
    We all try to appear accepting and non-judgemental, but would any of you go out with someone who had been to prison?

    I wouldn't. Even if it was for a non violent crime, it would be most likely that the person would be unemployable and without prospects...

    What are your views?

    How is foxrock these days?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    I wouldn't go out with someone who is or has been in prison..












    Unless it was one of those fit blokes that were in Prison Break..

    Or maybe Johro :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭locked_out


    foxinsox wrote: »
    I wouldn't go out with someone who is or has been in prison..












    Unless it was one of those fit blokes that were in Prison Break..

    Or maybe Johro :P

    I am sure someone who has been to prison would not go out with you over some non palatable fact pertaining to your person. Everybody has their +'s and -'s love.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    locked_out wrote: »
    I am sure someone who has been to prison would not go out with you over some non palatable fact pertaining to your person. Everybody has their +'s and -'s love.

    I am sure hope wish someone might want to go out with me. .

    I'm quite palatable. .

    I'm pretty sure nobody can really answer this question unless they were actually in the situation. It would depend on the guy and the crime.

    :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    wild_cat wrote: »
    It depends on the crime.
    Political activism - Yes.

    Nazi's ?


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it was for something stupid like non payment of a TV licence I don't think I'd care. Anything more than that though, probably not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭Samich


    I'm dating a girl who's done time.

    Tomorrow she's doing the alphabet and, the day after, farmyard animals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭x_Ellie_x


    It depends on what they did and if they regretted their crimes and were really sorry for the hurt and pain they caused their victims.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    foxinsox wrote: »
    I wouldn't go out with someone who is or has been in prison..












    Unless it was one of those fit blokes that were in Prison Break..

    Or maybe Johro :P
    :eek: :) *has cold shower*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    I went to Kilmainham Jail on a school tour when I was about 10. Is that why I can't get chicks?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    I visited 2 Dublin prisons a few times in a voluntary capacity.

    The amount of mental illness, spoiled youth and addiction problems in the prison services last time I had anything to do with them means that I would have an extremely hard time even being friends with some of these guys. Not because I have anything against them, because so many of them are so helplessly self destructive or afflicted, and dealing with them can take a heavy toll on those close to them.

    It's dreadful to write off another human being as a hopeless case, but in many cases this is true. It would be fascinating for some statistics or sociology student to do some work on the average life expectancy of the Mountjoy alumni over the past 20-30 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Mountjoy is f#ckin awful, or at least it was long ago when I was there.
    After I got processed (details taken down, fingerprinted, stripsearched, given a toothbrush and a prison uniform) I got put in a 'holding cell' coz apparently there was no room for me on any of the wings yet.
    I shared this cell with a black guy who was arrested for 'causing an obstruction' while busking, he was fined in court but didn't/couldn't pay it so got a few days inside. He was sound enough. That was my first night, after that I was put in a cell with four other guys.
    Ya basically got a bed and a bucket to sh!te in. I can't remember which wing it was, I think it was C wing.
    You lined up outside your cell in the corridor to receive your meals, mealtime being announced by a bell. The only other time that was spent outside the cell was an hour walking around the exercise yard, a big square walled yard with a long row of toilets down one side with no doors on.
    Considering I was in there for a minor offence, it was fairly scary. Just the fact that I would never have dreamed I'd get sent down, that there are people who have the power to lock you up, and the long drive in the squad car from court in wexford town to the prison were bad enough. The guys in the cell were okay apart from one who just sat and stared at us the whole time. I didn't sleep too well.
    I wasn't in prison long enough to really have a properly informed opinion on the guys in it, but my impression was that maybe ten to twenty percent are headcases who should be locked up, the rest are made up of guys who made some stupid choices at unfortunate times in their lives, some who should be in psychiatric care, some who never really had a chance due to their upbringing, some who are just idiots, some never knew anything else, some you could make excuses for, some need a massive kick up the hole. Some are hopeless cases. Some shouldn't be there at all.
    I don't think you can have a ready opinion of someone who has been in prison without knowing some of their background.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    A poll would have been handy.
    Depending on the crime, anything not mental and yeah I'd have no problem with going with some young one who was sent away for a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    It is a great question OP and I suppose it really depends on the circumstances. For example if someone was jailed for killing someone who broke into their property and threatened their family or a journalist who was jailed for refusing to name a source etc. I'd be grand with both of these.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    In 2009 the Inspector of Prisons calculated that the design capacity of Mountjoy Prison was for 489 prisoners. This calculation excluded cells for assessment, time out and cladding. These types of cells are not suitable for accommodation. Despite this design capacity of the prison the official capacity of the prison was then given as 573. Changes in capacity often relate, according to the inspector, to an increase in the provision of mattresses and beds rather than the addition of new cells to the system.
    The Inspector-General of Prisons and Places of Detention has stated that prisoners in Mountjoy are existing in most inhumane, degrading and overcrowded conditions, and that many have to sleep on the floor in filthy conditions due to overcrowding. He recommended that it be closed and demolished. In 2006 the Inspector-General described the attitude of the then Progressive Democrat Minister for Justice Michael McDowell towards reform as "frightening and fascist" .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭batman2000


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    The prison was built with in-cell sanitation but this was removed in 1939 at the instigation of a civil servant who deemed that 'prisoners were using too much water'. Inmates have to slop out using chamber pots.

    Yup. It's degrading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Mark25


    Johro wrote: »
    Mountjoy is f#ckin awful, or at least it was long ago when I was there.
    After I got processed (details taken down, fingerprinted, stripsearched, given a toothbrush and a prison uniform) I got put in a 'holding cell' coz apparently there was no room for me on any of the wings yet.
    I shared this cell with a black guy who was arrested for 'causing an obstruction' while busking, he was fined in court but didn't/couldn't pay it so got a few days inside. He was sound enough. That was my first night, after that I was put in a cell with four other guys.
    Ya basically got a bed and a bucket to sh!te in. I can't remember which wing it was, I think it was C wing.
    You lined up outside your cell in the corridor to receive your meals, mealtime being announced by a bell. The only other time that was spent outside the cell was an hour walking around the exercise yard, a big square walled yard with a long row of toilets down one side with no doors on.
    Considering I was in there for a minor offence, it was fairly scary. Just the fact that I would never have dreamed I'd get sent down, that there are people who have the power to lock you up, and the long drive in the squad car from court in wexford town to the prison were bad enough. The guys in the cell were okay apart from one who just sat and stared at us the whole time. I didn't sleep too well.
    I wasn't in prison long enough to really have a properly informed opinion on the guys in it, but my impression was that maybe ten to twenty percent are headcases who should be locked up, the rest are made up of guys who made some stupid choices at unfortunate times in their lives, some who should be in psychiatric care, some who never really had a chance due to their upbringing, some who are just idiots, some never knew anything else, some you could make excuses for, some need a massive kick up the hole. Some are hopeless cases. Some shouldn't be there at all.
    I don't think you can have a ready opinion of someone who has been in prison without knowing some of their background.


    Was in there this year and it still is pretty much the same - still slopping out in 2011. We were let out of the cells more and had more free time on the wing and in the yard.

    I have been with my gf and she was just about OK with me being in prison and stuck by me and came to visit. I know it was hard on her but we coped.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭Sticjones


    Johro wrote: »
    In 2009 the Inspector of Prisons calculated that the design capacity of Mountjoy Prison was for 489 prisoners. This calculation excluded cells for assessment, time out and cladding. These types of cells are not suitable for accommodation. Despite this design capacity of the prison the official capacity of the prison was then given as 573. Changes in capacity often relate, according to the inspector, to an increase in the provision of mattresses and beds rather than the addition of new cells to the system.
    The Inspector-General of Prisons and Places of Detention has stated that prisoners in Mountjoy are existing in most inhumane, degrading and overcrowded conditions, and that many have to sleep on the floor in filthy conditions due to overcrowding. He recommended that it be closed and demolished. In 2006 the Inspector-General described the attitude of the then Progressive Democrat Minister for Justice Michael McDowell towards reform as "frightening and fascist" .

    Yeah let's waste more taxpayers money ensuring the darling criminals have perfect conditions. :rolleyes:

    They cost us enough as it is (€80,000/year per prisoner I believe). If you don't want to put up with the poor conditions, don't break the f**king law. It's simple.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Sticjones wrote: »
    They cost us enough as it is (€80,000/year per prisoner I believe). If you don't want to put up with the poor conditions, don't break the f**king law. It's simple.
    How's that approach working out?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    later10 wrote: »
    How's that approach working out?

    Show me someone who reckons they never break the law and Ill show you a self-deluded hypocrite.


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