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Getting Back To My Best
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tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »Sorry about the bad day in the office mate
What you need is vaggas 3 step plan tm
a) A rake of pints on Saturday,
b) Meno telling you what you have done wrong and how to fix it,
c) Mr Slow [and co!!] winding you up that Meno is now going to win your bet!
My 3 step plan is guarenteed to return you to previous levels of motivation, and you will easily do 3 hours :pac:
That's solid advice there. I like it
Brianderunner wrote: »Ha Meno doesnt tell me what I'm doing wrong, its the other way round. Been in this game too long for that to happen. As regards the bet hasnt Meno given up on 3:10 since Midlands? We could mutually cancel it if neither of us are going for our original target.
No, the 3'10 dream is back on for the minute (pending a decent run in the 10 miler at the weekend). FWIW I think it would be a good idea to race the 10 miler at the weekend yourself, get a bit of confidence back on the long races...0 -
That's solid advice there. I like it
No, the 3'10 dream is back on for the minute (pending a decent run in the 10 miler at the weekend). FWIW I think it would be a good idea to race the 10 miler at the weekend yourself, get a bit of confidence back on the long races...
6 days after emptying the tank yesterday though? Surely a good block of training would be better instead of spending all of next week recovering from it, nailing the key training runs will give me confidence in itself. Another poor run on Saturday and I would look into doing a Shels on it
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Brianderunner wrote: »6 days after emptying the tank yesterday though? Surely a good block of training would be better instead of spending all of next week recovering from it, nailing the key training runs will give me confidence in itself. Another poor run on Saturday and I would look into doing a Shels on it
+1 At this stage I wouldn't bother racing. Four solid weeks followed by 2 week taper and you'll be laughing.0 -
Brianderunner wrote: »6 days after emptying the tank yesterday though? Surely a good block of training would be better instead of spending all of next week recovering from it, nailing the key training runs will give me confidence in itself. Another poor run on Saturday and I would look into doing a Shels on it
Hay :eek:
Your in far better shape for the sub 3 than I would have been for a 3:30. One bad run last week just needs to be forgotten and a few good session and you will be feeling good again. Think your plan is solid just get your head right and don't over thing. 2:59 is just another number like 3:12 etc0 -
tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »Sorry about the bad day in the office mate
What you need is vaggas 3 step plan tm
a) A rake of pints on Saturday,
b) Meno telling you what you have done wrong and how to fix it,
c) Mr Slow [and co!!] winding you up that Meno is now going to win your bet!
My 3 step plan is guarenteed to return you to previous levels of motivation, and you will easily do 3 hours :pac:
Since when am I the villain?0 -
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chinguetti wrote: »I wouldn't race the FD10, leave the Garmin at home and just run by feel. Take the pressure off yourself and remember why you like to run.
I'd love to do that but i'll only get sucked into racing that way. Want to get through the 18 miler on Sunday and i'll need to be relatively fresh for that so MP it is. I could probably break 63 but it wouldnt be much use to me at this stage.
Mon 15th Aug, 5 mls recovery in the heath in 43'50 (8'46). Popped 2 anti-inflammatories (diclofenac) before bed last night and they seem to have done the trick, very little fatigue in the legs. I better not abuse them cause they're prescription only in the british isles (over the counter in barca) and they can damage your liver, also they dont go with alcohol as i found out after the DCM last year!
Was google searching foam rollers in London today (needed a new one) and i stumbled across a forum where someone said "i use the plastic water pipes they're using to replace London's water mains" which is what my company does. I headed down the yard at work and helped myself to a foam roller shaped piece from the scrapyard and omg, wrapped in a towel it really hits the spot, miles better than a foam roller 0 -
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Brianderunner wrote: »I'd love to do that but i'll only get sucked into racing that way. Want to get through the 18 miler on Sunday and i'll need to be relatively fresh for that so MP it is. I could probably break 63 but it wouldnt be much use to me at this stage.
Mon 15th Aug, 5 mls recovery in the heath in 43'50 (8'46). Popped 2 anti-inflammatories (diclofenac) before bed last night and they seem to have done the trick, very little fatigue in the legs. I better not abuse them cause they're prescription only in the british isles (over the counter in barca) and they can damage your liver, also they dont go with alcohol as i found out after the DCM last year!
Was google searching foam rollers in London today (needed a new one) and i stumbled across a forum where someone said "i use the plastic water pipes they're using to replace London's water mains" which is what my company does. I headed down the yard at work and helped myself to a foam roller shaped piece from the scrapyard and omg, wrapped in a towel it really hits the spot, miles better than a foam roller
PVC pipe? You shouldn't even be wrapping it in a towel you wuss.0 -
chinguetti wrote: »If you start slowly (7.30 pace) for the first 2 miles, then 7.20 for the next 2 etc, you will enjoy the last 4 miles as you pass out loads of people without racing and its a great thing for the confidence. Just bring a stopwatch.
Try it for one race, if it doesn't work, you lose nothing and will still be fresh for the 18 on Sunday. I do it in most races over 10km and am constantly surprised how fast i could go on so little training. It will never work for a marathon though which is an awful pity. MacMillian has me down for a 3.06 marathon but it ain't possible on my legs.
If its a load of cobblers after you try it, you can tell everyone i'm full of it - although most probably think that already;)
Maybe i'll think about it. I've taken the p!ss quite a few times the last 12 months in races. Using a 10k as a recovery run, have you ever heard the like. It's strangely enjoyable thought and once you do it once it gets easier and easier to do. 6 weeks out now though, every single run i do should be Berlin orientated and nothing else.RacoonQueen wrote: »PVC pipe? You shouldn't even be wrapping it in a towel you wuss.
Polyethylene actually. I hear you should wrap anything long, round and hard in something or you could do serious damage. At least this one won't be going soft and will be ready for action at all times
Also some of us have less body fat than others so we have less of a cushion.0 -
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Danica Grumpy Duet wrote: »Hey Brian just catching up on the log firstly congrats on the 5k pb...glad i did not have a bet on that race:) I agree with what most people are saying regarding the mental toughness side and i know we have spoken about this before albeit full of beer:)
Personally given you're speed i think you are mad doing marathons at your age when you could be working on taking chunks off the pb's in the shorter races. Marathons will be there in years to come. You are in for Berlin anyways and i would still stay sub 3 can be achieved but a bit of HTFU will be required and i think you need to have 2 key sessions ticked off. Two more long runs with mp miles thrown in without quitting no matter how much it hurts is required. I think you know it's all in your head!!
How about we do the mp miles in FD 10 miler on Saturday and tack on 8 miles straight after (dependent on how fresh my legs are) to make up one of those long runs you need to get under the belt?
I'll admit my heart isn't in marathons at the moment. I'm pot committed to berlin as you say though. The caliber of athletes i'm running with in races gets worse and worse the further i go its hard to ignore. Its just that I found marathoning aged 22, after 13 years of T&F, while many others on here found it much later. I needed a change then and I feel like i need a change now too. Will have a proper lash at Berlin and see how I feel then after.
What makes you think your MP is 68 mins? Yeah that sounds like a plan. Although 8 mls after seems a bit much and junk mileage territory. That being said I can't see myself doing much beforehand as I'm cycling down to the race from DCU, even though TRR's plan is a good one. I'll see you around the start area anyway and we'll decide then. 0 -
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Brianderunner wrote: »I'll admit my heart isn't in marathons at the moment. I'm pot committed to berlin as you say though. The caliber of athletes i'm running with in races gets worse and worse the further i go its hard to ignore. Its just that I found marathoning aged 22, after 13 years of T&F, while many others on here found it much later. I needed a change then and I feel like i need a change now too. Will have a proper lash at Berlin and see how I feel then after.
What makes you think your MP is 68 mins? Yeah that sounds like a plan. Although 8 mls after seems a bit much and junk mileage territory. That being said I can't see myself doing much beforehand as I'm cycling down to the race from DCU, even though TRR's plan is a good one. I'll see you around the start area anyway and we'll decide then.
68 minutes would be slightly faster than pmp for me but if i cannot run 10 mile in that time then it would be unlikely i could run a 3:10 marathon. Not getting too caught up with the race tomorrow anyway as i still have the IM in the legs.
I would have thought the 8 miles after is the exact opposite of junk miles in your case as you need to learn to suffer a bit on the long runs and that is most likely to happen after 10 mp miles in the legs along with the lack of long runs in your training so far. It is all about the long runs from here to the start line in Berlin.
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TheRoadRunner wrote: »Think about doing the 18 tomorrow. I reckon the 18 miles you had planned for Sunday will be more junk (post beer) then anything you do after/before the PMP miles tomorrow. Then do a nice recovery run Sunday.
How far is it from DCU to the park ~4 miles? Jog down then jog home!
Its 5 miles exactly to the race start from my bro's house. That could work i suppose, and i can't just hop into the first tube station i see when the going gets tough Running down the NCR would be good practice for DCM pacing anyway. 0 -
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metamorphosis wrote: »If you're taking a few miles on after, i might be game
Half planning to go with TRR's idea of run down, race and back. Then cycle to Ryans (on your new bike) after, i'll see in the morning.
You'll be needed in a weeks time to get me through my LSR in Limerick 0 -
shels4ever wrote: »I think you need to put your heart into the Marathon for the next 6 weeks. Listen to TheRoadRunner aka Mr tough love . Do your 18 miles on Sat, have afew beers and then no more drinking until after berlin.
Sit back and watch a few big city marathon on youtube, forget about 5k, 10ks
The only 10ks you need to think about is 42:3x splits you need to hit in berlin.
No drinking until after berlin, i'm sure that'll happen given that i'm in Ireland the next 3 weekends
I'll watch the marathons from the worlds in Daegu, if i'm not inspired i'm blaming you. 42:3x sounds bloody fast for the last 10k.0 -
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