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Getting Back To My Best

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    I had your pb before Monday didnt I? Not that i notice that type of thing :) QUOTE]

    hahaha not sure, mine is 18:02


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    I had your pb before Monday didnt I? Not that i notice that type of thing :) QUOTE]

    hahaha not sure, mine is 18:02

    Got you by 2 seconds in Donore. 11 seconds between us now after Monday, thats the difference between average and world class for an elite 5k runner :) You better run Rathfarnam and right that wrong!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Weds 10th Aug, 8 mls moderate pace in 62'38 (7'50) same route as last night but did the outer circle instead of the grass lap. Felt easy and nice to run a bit faster, I rarely go faster than 8 min miling these days for some reason. never once in 2005/2006 did i run slower than 7'40 miling!

    100% doing the Newark Half on Sunday now. Sub 1'25 is a must really if sub 3 is realistic. Sub 1'24 would be the main goal though. Reading was 5 months ago and i was hungover and had Barca only 2 weeks before it and i've improved a bit since then. Time will tell, easy stuff for the rest of this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    Brian, well done on your 5k PB. Impressive stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Thurs 11th Aug, 7 mls easy in 60'59, same route as the last 2 nights. Legs a bit heavier than before.

    Scraped a pass in my theory test today, 45 out of 75 for the hazard perception part with the pass at 44. Reminded me of my old days in trinity, do the least amount of study possible to just pass and no more :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Fri 13th Aug, 5 mls recovery in the heath in 44'59 (9'00). Took it very handy.

    Rest day today and heading up to the east midlands for the half tomorrow. The last time i headed north for a half marathon i ended up with 1'34 in Leeds last May but i hope to be 10 mins faster tomorrow. Sub 1'24 is the goal. Tbh anything less than a pb is a disaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Good luck! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    All the best. You have it in the legs anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,725 ✭✭✭kennyb3


    Good luck in the race dude. Bad luck in the fantasy football:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    Good Luck Brian, hopefully we'll both be smiling with new pb's tomorrow.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    No more whining before Berlin now.

    Maybe you shouldn't read this post so :)

    Sun 14th Aug, Newark On Trent Half Marathon
    .

    Headed up to Peterborough yesterday and stayed in a friend from the club's house who was also running. After the great run I had on Monday over 5k i set sub 1'24 as the goal. To be honest I thought i only had to show up to do it.

    Arrived in Newark in Nottinghamshire and did about a mile warm up and a few strides, feeling ok. The gun went and I eased into 6'24 pace, 2nd mile was a bit faster but still ok. Next 2 or 3 mls it wasnt easy but still manageable. After 5mls (reached in 31'54) I felt super for a mile as the sun shone brightly. But around mile 6 it became very hard work and i began to flatten out. My clubmate passed me here and slipped away into the distance, i wasnt expecting to beat him but i thought i could give him a race at least. 7th mile the pace dropped to 6'36, not disastrous though i thought, i can still break 1'25 with 6'30's. But no deal, it wasnt happening today as i slowed to over 7 min miling and with it went the race.

    From here it was essentially a rerun of Leeds as i plodded to 7'30's and worse and pretty much gave up. I would have stopped only the road to town was the race route. Jogged the last half mile and crossed the line shaking my head in 1'31'42 chip time.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/106555069

    So what does that mean for berlin, unter 3 stunden ist ein Traum i'd say. Since Dunshaughlin things just havent been going right for me at all. Long runs have either been cut short or a painful struggle. My race times have been excellent but maybe my training is not suited to races above 10k. Once mile 7 hit today it was game over.

    I can blame the heat (it was quite warm and sunny, 22-23c maybe), i can say the 5k was still in my legs but it cant hide the elephant in the room. 3'10 would be soft but very doable in Berlin, 3'05 is there too. 3 hrs just seems a disaster waiting to happen. I need a winter to prepare properly for a marathon i think. There's less distractions, less visitors over and i travel home less as well as no heatwaves. My week at home is coming up in 2 weeks and i'd much rather chill there (with a 35-40 mile week) than flogging a dead horse like i had planned to.

    All the same it was an enjoyable weekend and a nice race in a lovely town. Just a pity i missed my target by nearly 8 minutes :(

    Weekly review, 6 runs and 46 mls. 5k pb was a huge lift and todays race was just awesome :)

    Yearly Mileage, couldnt give a sh!t.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    Still sounds like mental problems to me! I think you basically gave up! May sound a bit harsh but that's how I read it. Was it the sight of your club mate that put the nail in your race coffin today? Sounds like you could have dug in and ran 1.26-27. What's more by digging in you could have rallied and got back on track. Seriously need to HTFU :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Ah bugger Brian, thats a bummer. I think that before you bail out of a sub 3, you need to give it a day or two and then have a think on what you're going to do.

    Don't make any rash decisions yet, its just the normal reaction to a bad day. Maybe a few quiet days on the legs might help in the long term.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    Still sounds like mental problems to me!

    Best thing you can do now Brianderunner is to read Charlie Speddings book and in particular the chapter when he missed his train and heads to the pub for an hour. It'll sort you out.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    As I said earlier, sub 3 should still be your goal - you may as well stay in London as go run a 3:10 IMO.

    Being very hard on yourself here, agree with TRR on your club mate passing you out ending your race - that's how it sounds anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    Still sounds like mental problems to me! I think you basically gave up! May sound a bit harsh but that's how I read it. Was it the sight of your club mate that put the nail in your race coffin today? Sounds like you could have dug in and ran 1.26-27. What's more by digging in you could have rallied and got back on track. Seriously need to HTFU :D
    Took the words right out of my mouth there, when looking at the splits thats what I thought too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    Hard luck today, but stick with the training for sub 3 and see how you are closer to berlin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    Hard luck brian. I would agree with the road runner, maybe the mental side needs a bit of work. If you are faster than me over 5K then on a day where conditions are ok 6:24-6:30 shouldnt be a problem up to 9-10 miles at least.

    Also, FWIW, I dont see too many tempo miles in your log (or any that I can recall). Lots of speedwork and quite slow miles but no sustained stuff. Could be just what you need, getting used to being uncomfortable for extended periods. That and runs with PMP.

    Dont give up - the speed is still there, just work on the stamina!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Hard luck brian. I would agree with the road runner, maybe the mental side needs a bit of work. If you are faster than me over 5K then on a day where conditions are ok 6:24-6:30 shouldnt be a problem up to 9-10 miles at least.

    Also, FWIW, I dont see too many tempo miles in your log (or any that I can recall). Lots of speedwork and quite slow miles but no sustained stuff. Could be just what you need, getting used to being uncomfortable for extended periods. That and runs with PMP.

    Dont give up - the speed is still there, just work on the stamina!

    I've 2 LT runs done in the last month, the race series 5 miler and the one where the garmin died 2 weeks ago, the foot injury and the heat cost me another 2, but yeah its been short the last few months i know that. It was the thing i did consistently before Barca, which had me "cruising" for so long over there then the pb in Reading off the back of it.

    It's hard to get away from the fact that i have become a 5k/10k runner since Barca without meaning to. I'll hold my hands up and say i got it wrong the last few months. I'll make a decision on Berlin 2 weeks out after i see how the next 4 weeks go but its shockingly close now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    Hard luck Brian, bad day at the office. Hopefully it'll all come together for Berlin.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    Sorry about the bad day in the office mate :(

    What you need is vaggas 3 step plan tm

    a) A rake of pints on Saturday,
    b) Meno telling you what you have done wrong and how to fix it,
    c) Mr Slow [and co!!] winding you up that Meno is now going to win your bet!

    My 3 step plan is guarenteed to return you to previous levels of motivation, and you will easily do 3 hours :pac:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    If he goes for 3:10 meno could beat him...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    If he goes for 3:10 meno could beat him...

    That's a scary thought...:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Sorry about the bad day in the office mate :(

    What you need is vaggas 3 step plan tm

    a) A rake of pints on Saturday,
    b) Meno telling you what you have done wrong and how to fix it,
    c) Mr Slow [and co!!] winding you up that Meno is now going to win your bet!

    My 3 step plan is guarenteed to return you to previous levels of motivation, and you will easily do 3 hours :pac:

    Ha Meno doesnt tell me what I'm doing wrong, its the other way round. Been in this game too long for that to happen. As regards the bet hasnt Meno given up on 3:10 since Midlands? We could mutually cancel it if neither of us are going for our original target.

    Not sure how many pints i'll be drinkng Saturday, going to the rugby at 5pm and whether or not i return is dependent on who's left standing after it :), I'll have a few before i head alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Not sure how many pints i'll be drinkng Saturday, going to the rugby at 5pm and whether or not i return is dependent on who's left standing after it :)

    Or whether you're left standing after a few drinks at the rugby? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,518 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Fall marathoners: My rule is you get 3 bad runs n a training cycle. Three runs where you just feel/run bad for no reason. More than three and your plan needs adjusting. We have to accept that the body just has those weird days where things feel off. Suffer through those days but then write them off as one of your three.
    Seems like solid advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Hey Brian, if you went into the race feeling good about 1:24 I'd say you had the shape to probably back that up at the time. It didn't pan out but we all have our off days. I'm struggling a bit at the moment too and I'm v doubful about the sub3 at Berlin. I'm hoping I'll wake up one morning and have a shiny new pair of fresh legs. I reckon thats all I need, fresh legs. You too chief, fresh legs.

    Hey I'll be on the startline too regardless of what shape I'm in. Lets say we line up near the 3hr Balloon and agree not to drop it before 16km. Then we will decide to either push on, hang on,or get off the horse :D

    No harm in having a go eh! See you there, we have DCM pacing tactics to discuss too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Hey Brian, if you went into the race feeling good about 1:24 I'd say you had the shape to probably back that up at the time. It didn't pan out but we all have our off days. I'm struggling a bit at the moment too and I'm v doubful about the sub3 at Berlin. I'm hoping I'll wake up one morning and have a shiny new pair of fresh legs. I reckon thats all I need, fresh legs. You too chief, fresh legs.

    Hey I'll be on the startline too regardless of what shape I'm in. Lets say we line up near the 3hr Balloon and agree not to drop it before 16km. Then we will decide to either push on, hang on,or get off the horse :D

    No harm in having a go eh! See you there, we have DCM pacing tactics to discuss too

    Sounds good yeah, till 16km it is, hope your going for a few in the pub after :)

    Been thinking about the sub 3 and i've decided that I have to go for it really. 3:09 wouldn't be an achievement for someone with my race times. Been looking back over this post and asking myself why havent i been following it all along. I reckon i can knock a lot or all of them out over the next 4 weeks before the 2 week taper, starting with a tempo on Thursday and the 10 mile MP run in the Frank Duffy on Saturday.

    One good thing that came out of yesterday actually is that i learned i can't run Berlin in my orange brooks racers, not enough support. Its gonna have to be the DS trainers i think. It was always gonna be a toss up between the 2 anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    Sounds good yeah, till 16km it is, hope your going for a few in the pub after :)

    Been thinking about the sub 3 and i've decided that I have to go for it really. 3:09 wouldn't be an achievement for someone with my race times. Been looking back over this post and asking myself why havent i been following it all along. I reckon i can knock a lot or all of them out over the next 4 weeks before the 2 week taper, starting with a tempo on Thursday and the 10 mile MP run in the Frank Duffy on Saturday.

    One good thing that came out of yesterday actually is that i learned i can't run Berlin in my orange brooks racers, not enough support. Its gonna have to be the DS trainers i think. It was always gonna be a toss up between the 2 anyway.

    Hay you did a marathon paced run last week, why not race Fduffy and set a 10mile pb and get a bit of confidence back?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    shels4ever wrote: »
    Hay you did a marathon paced run last week, why not race Fduffy and set a 10mile pb and get a bit of confidence back?

    10 mile pb is a bit fast (63'19) and another all out race would knock the stuffing out of me. Not sure i'd have recovered in time if I did race it. Nah a good block of stamina training is what's called for now. I can leave the sub 30 5 mile and sub 63 10 mile for the winter.


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