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Over 21

  • 18-08-2011 09:12AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭


    Hey folks

    Just wondering if anyone knows why some pubs and clubs have an over 21 rule when the drinking age is 18? Now I know there is no point in arguing that point with them at the door but I assume its because they dont want teenagers but can they enforce it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    because people in their twenties don't want to spend their nights out getting puked on by teenagers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Yes they can enforce it. Management have right to refuse admission.

    Were you refused last night OP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭Fago!


    I assumed because some places have a crowd that are deemed too mature for under 21s to come into. or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    There should be a lot more over 25 establishments imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,677 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    There should be a lot more over 25 establishments imo.

    But then how how would we look at all the hot 21 year old ass ?


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  • Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As far as I know they're not allowed do that. You can't argue at the door because they'll just refuse admission on a general being a cnut basis.

    But when their license is up and they apply for a new one you can put in a complaint saying you were refused admission with proper I.D (on the grounds that you weren't 21) they'll have a bit of grief with their license then.

    Nobody does it... that's why they get away with it all the time. Not all of us 18-20 year olds are slobbering idiots either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    irish-stew wrote: »
    Yes they can enforce it. Management have right to refuse admission.

    Were you refused last night OP?

    Lol thanks but Im WELL over 21! I was just wondering. Having a party at the weekend (area booked in a pub) and a couple of people going are 19 - I doubt they will have any problem but you never know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭KylieWyley


    As far as I know they're not allowed do that. You can't argue at the door because they'll just refuse admission on a general being a cnut basis.

    But when their license is up and they apply for a new one you can put in a complaint saying you were refused admission with proper I.D (on the grounds that you weren't 21) they'll have a bit of grief with their license then.

    it's a private premises dude. right of admission is reserved. they can refuse you if they wish.

    Dovies wrote: »
    Lol thanks but Im WELL over 21! I was just wondering. Having a party at the weekend (area booked in a pub) and a couple of people going are 19 - I doubt they will have any problem but you never know.

    they should be fine. if there's an issue, they can just say "i'm with X's birthday party" and any manager with a bit of cop will flex the rules and let them in, i would think.

    pubs generally decide to go over 21 if they want a maturer clientele but if they agree to host your party then they would have to accept all your mates, no matter how much of a ****head teenager they may be :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭Fago!


    Dovies wrote: »
    Lol thanks but Im WELL over 21! I was just wondering. Having a party at the weekend (area booked in a pub) and a couple of people going are 19 - I doubt they will have any problem but you never know.

    Didn't invite us ya ****. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    KylieWyley wrote: »
    it's a private premises dude. right of admission is reserved. they can refuse you if they wish.

    Last i checked, the word pub indicated public house but what do i know...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Fago! wrote: »
    Didn't invite us ya ****. :(


    Sorry - if I pull I will let you know though! :D;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭Fago!


    Dovies wrote: »
    Sorry - if I pull I will let you know though! :D;)

    That's better!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    listermint wrote: »
    But then how how would we look at all the hot 21 year old ass ?


    Because women stop being hot once they hit 25?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Because women stop being hot once they hit 25?
    As you get older you'll realise that's not true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭Fago!


    biko wrote: »
    As you get older you'll realise that's not true.

    The man speaks the truth. it turns into milf territory after 25-30.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    irish-stew wrote: »
    Yes they can enforce it. Management have right to refuse admission.

    Were you refused last night OP?

    Wrong...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    biko wrote: »
    As you get older you'll realise that's not true.

    Why are you telling me? I'm 27. I know full well 25 plus is awesome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Why are you telling me? I'm 27. I know full well 25 plus is awesome.

    43 is even Awesomer!! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    I always wonder why people kick up such a fuss about this. If all pubs tried to enforce this rule then I would understand, but there are plenty of options for the younger legal crowd. Over here a lot of place regularly have U30 and U40 nights. Great way to mingle with people around your own age that share similar interests.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    How does bouncers at the door refusing admission etc. square with the whole "public" house deal? Aren't they supposed to let you in unless they have a very good reason not to?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭streings


    Can anyone explain why they are allowed refuse you for being too young, but not for being too old? Tis the same idea no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,647 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    There should be a lot more over 25 establishments imo.
    Over 35 would be even better. :)

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    OldGoat wrote: »
    Over 35 would be even better. :)


    I agree! Every age group should have somewhere they can go without having to put up with younger folk if they so wish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Fago! wrote: »
    The man speaks the truth. it turns into milf territory after 25-30.

    +1 :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    streings wrote: »
    Can anyone explain why they are allowed refuse you for being too young, but not for being too old? Tis the same idea no?

    I really hope your under 18 for saying something so daft..

    Older people generally have a head on shoulders so dont puke on seats or shag in the jacks etc.

    Hmm maybe they should be barred on that count!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,484 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    There should be a club where its over 21 for males and over 18's for females :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    OldGoat wrote: »
    Over 35 would be even better. :)


    And have all you whippersnappers with your crap singing and beer spilling?!?

    Make it over 50's I say, you young people are loud, and abprutorous!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭leggo


    Any private premises that trades opens its doors to the public as an 'invitation to trade'. That can be withdrawn at any stage. That is the catch-all fallback for retailers, publicans etc to refuse admission.

    What they can't do is discriminate, on the basis of age, race and so on.

    So if you were to approach a bar that clearly advertises over-18's only (alternatively, you could technically get away with if it doesn't advertise a higher minimum age), were told that you were too young as they only accept over-21's, then you would have a case that you were discriminated against on the basis of age. What you could actually do about it is another story (two things: little and nothing). But technically there is a case there and repeated complaints of discrimination, as stated by one poster, could lead to their licence being called into question when up for renewal.

    However, if the policy of the bar is to only allow over 21's, they are clearly stating who they are inviting to trade within the premises. And that is their right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭Storminateacup


    The nightclub worth going to in my ****ty town is over 21s on sat night and over 18s the rest of the time.

    On Saturday night they never enforce the over 21s rule unless they don't like the look of you


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    Because alot of people dont want to drink with irritating teenagers?


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