Rise of the Fourth Reich, how Germany is using the financial crisis to conquer Europe

Aodan83 · 17-08-2011 12:52PM

Sykk wrote: »

We should fall in line tbh.. They're one of the few countries that's ran properly.

That's how it starts though. They make you think they're all sensible and reasonable. They draw you in with sound financial policies and so on. Then they start bringing in slightly dodgy policies, twins and the disabled seem to be getting a bit rarer on the streets these days. But you put up with it because they've been right this far! Next thing you know you've invaded Poland.

Opelfruit · 17-08-2011 12:52PM

Sykk wrote: »

The funny thing is - you almost can't get a job in an area you haven't studied in Germany.

Enda Kenny nor pretty much anyone that I know in our government has a degree/masters/PhD in anything relevant to running a country.. Economics/business? He's a school teacher..

That kind of crap isn't tolerated there. Our country is run by a bunch of people that aren't qualified to do so.

:rolleyes: Except Angela Merkel was a scientist before entering politics. What exactly has chemistry got to do with running a country?

WolfForager · 17-08-2011 12:56PM

From a cultural point of view a united europe would never work, so something like the US of Europe/Germany would never happen, however a solid european wide financial plan might be just what we need.

Tayla · 17-08-2011 01:04PM

amacachi wrote: »

It shouldn't need stating that we won't be retards but it seems we do need saving from ourselves.

Without a doubt we do.

People buy in to this crap thinking it will save us, Europe can't let us fail as it is, they will have to give us money regardless if they want to keep the euro going. Why not implement changes without changing our constitution? It's disgusting, people are blind to what is going on.

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Its scary alright,

To say it hasnt been seen coming is a lie,

I could see it coming but didn't think it would be so soon. I felt sick when I heard it, I heard it on the news yesterday and it wasn't even the main news story, WTF? It's a major story. Worldwide it should be a major story, the consequences something like this could have are massive.

amacachi · 17-08-2011 01:09PM

Tayla wrote: »

Without a doubt we do.

People buy in to this crap thinking it will save us, Europe can't let us fail as it is, they will have to give us money regardless if they want to keep the euro going. Why not implement changes without changing our constitution? It's disgusting, people are blind to what is going on.

Eh, you've noticed the reactions to the "cuts" we've made so far I assume? Can you imagine a government getting in who promised to make proper cuts and balance the books quickly? We need something in our constitution to compel the state to not run a 40+% deficit because we've shown we can't do it when there's a choice.

Coriolanus · 17-08-2011 01:13PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And all those that foolishly voted Lisbon couldn't see this coming.

I beg to differ. At least some of those who voted yes are Federalists and we knew exactly what we were doing. :P

Tayla · 17-08-2011 01:13PM

amacachi wrote: »

We need something in our constitution to compel the state to not run a 40+% deficit because we've shown we can't do it when there's a choice.

We don't actually. The government have already ensured that when our books are finally balancing that every last cent will be going to pay back the bailout because they would rather pander to Europe than stick up for the citizens of Ireland. Why would they give them more power? I'd rather let my 5 year old run the economy to be perfectly honest.

amacachi · 17-08-2011 01:15PM

Tayla wrote: »

We don't actually. The government have already ensured that when our books are finally balancing that every last cent will be going to pay back the bailout. I'd rather let my 5 year old run the economy to be perfectly honest.

Eventually maybe. I'm still not buying that we're going to pay back what we've been loaned but even if we do we still shouldn't have put ourselves in the hole that we did and if it takes a constitutional amendment to do such a thing then I'm more than fine with that.

Tayla · 17-08-2011 01:21PM

amacachi wrote: »

Eventually maybe. I'm still not buying that we're going to pay back what we've been loaned but even if we do we still shouldn't have put ourselves in the hole that we did and if it takes a constitutional amendment to do such a thing then I'm more than fine with that.

Oh I don't believe for a second that we're going to pay back all or even most of what we've been loaned, however I do believe that when we do pay back some of it the country will be stuck in a massive period of stagnation and it's going to be horrendous.

Why would you push for a constitutional amendment when it can be done without amending it? The government are already puppets for Europe so I say don't give them any more real power over us, maybe one day Ireland might actually have government who cares about us, don't sign us up for something that won't benefit us.

regi · 17-08-2011 01:24PM

Opelfruit wrote: »

:rolleyes: Except Angela Merkel was a scientist before entering politics. What exactly has chemistry got to do with running a country?

All the best women political leaders have a background in chemistry :-)

R P McMurphy · 17-08-2011 01:36PM

Aodan83 wrote: »

That's how it starts though. They make you think they're all sensible and reasonable. They draw you in with sound financial policies and so on. Then they start bringing in slightly dodgy policies, twins and the disabled seem to be getting a bit rarer on the streets these days. But you put up with it because they've been right this far! Next thing you know you've invaded Poland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30VL4IFzkw

amacachi · 17-08-2011 01:44PM

The stagnation has been caused by ourselves. What do you mean it can be done without amendment exactly?

Tayla · 17-08-2011 01:54PM

amacachi wrote: »

The stagnation has been caused by ourselves. What do you mean it can be done without amendment exactly?

Yes but when they manage to put through all the cuts and we begin paying Europe back then none of the growth will benefit the country as all excess tax revenue will be going to Europe causing further stagnation.

We don't need to amend our constitution to implement any financial changes, Merkel and Sarkozy don't give a s**t about us, they just want control over what we spend our money on.

prinz · 17-08-2011 02:01PM

Tayla wrote: »

Why not implement changes without changing our constitution? It's disgusting, people are blind to what is going on.

Maybe to prevent the likely situation of another Irish government down the line repeating the same mistakes the last few have made? Why have constitutional limits on anything?

That didn't cross your mind know?

amacachi · 17-08-2011 02:04PM

Tayla wrote: »

Yes but when they manage to put through all the cuts and we begin paying Europe back then none of the growth will benefit the country as all excess tax revenue will be going to Europe causing further stagnation.

We don't need to amend our constitution to implement any financial changes, Merkel and Sarkozy don't give a s**t about us, they just want control over what we spend our money on.

The stagnation has to happen to prevent a collapse. The alternative was crash, cut spending and then grow, something which it seems just about no-one in this country wanted.

Monty Burnz · 17-08-2011 02:07PM

Tayla wrote: »

We don't actually. The government have already ensured that when our books are finally balancing that every last cent will be going to pay back the bailout because they would rather pander to Europe than stick up for the citizens of Ireland. Why would they give them more power? I'd rather let my 5 year old run the economy to be perfectly honest.

No, I think you'll find that even at the end of the cuts, and assuming there's some manner of recovery in the economy (which looks less likely now) we'll still be running a 3 or 4% deficit in 2015.

Monty Burnz · 17-08-2011 02:09PM

amacachi wrote: »

The stagnation has to happen to prevent a collapse. The alternative was crash, cut spending and then grow, something which it seems just about no-one in this country wanted.

I frequently raised the choice of Argentina-style default and crash, or 20 years of death by a thousand cuts. Nobody seemed to favour the former, and everyone just wanted to wave their arms around and blame everyone for the crash aside from the the Fianna Failure voters who gave those corrupt idiots the power to ruin us.

prinz · 17-08-2011 02:10PM

amacachi wrote: »

The stagnation has to happen to prevent a collapse. The alternative was crash, cut spending and then grow, something which it seems just about no-one in this country wanted.

Too many still about who want nothing more than to return to living the good life on somebody else's tab. Head in sand syndrome.

Aodan83 · 17-08-2011 02:21PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

^That video

Clicked play and moved to another tab. It (kind of) made sense until I looked back and actually saw the video. It's just....sooo.....weird!

amacachi · 17-08-2011 02:26PM

prinz wrote: »

Too many still about who want nothing more than to return to living the good life on somebody else's tab. Head in sand syndrome.

People also don't seem to realise that during the "boom" the money that balanced the state's books and kept inflating our economy wasn't ours. Everything was done on credit but it just didn't seem like that. Though try explaining that to someone complaining about having to eat into their savings to go on holidays while others lecture you about how hard they work and how everyone did actually earn everything that was around 5/6 years ago. :pac:

Opelfruit · 17-08-2011 02:39PM

regi wrote: »

All the best women political leaders have a background in chemistry :-)

With the obvious exception of those who only obtained second-class degrees though.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-08-2011 02:59PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2805l06.jpg

And all those that foolishly voted Lisbon couldn't see this coming.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026840/European-debt-summit-Germany-using-financial-crisis-conquer-Europe.html

Title - "financial crisis"
Thread - "discipline"

Which is it?

Tayla · 17-08-2011 03:15PM

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prinz wrote: »

Maybe to prevent the likely situation of another Irish government down the line repeating the same mistakes the last few have made? Why have constitutional limits on anything?

That didn't cross your mind know?

Well that just shows that people don't trust the people they're voting for (and rightly so) Personally I voted for Sinn Fein, yea their policies might be a bit out there but at least they care about the country and it's people first and foremost. Should that not be what everyone votes for?

amacachi wrote: »

The stagnation has to happen to prevent a collapse. The alternative was crash, cut spending and then grow, something which it seems just about no-one in this country wanted.

I did want it, what's the point in delaying the inevitable? not only delaying the inevitable but then prolonging the recovery process indefinitely?

Monty Burnz wrote: »

No, I think you'll find that even at the end of the cuts, and assuming there's some manner of recovery in the economy (which looks less likely now) we'll still be running a 3 or 4% deficit in 2015.

Yep I said when the books are balanced, who knows when that will be?

Zebra3 · 17-08-2011 03:16PM

amacachi wrote: »

Eventually maybe. I'm still not buying that we're going to pay back what we've been loaned but even if we do we still shouldn't have put ourselves in the hole that we did and if it takes a constitutional amendment to do such a thing then I'm more than fine with that.

There should be a constitutional amendment to make it illegal for private debt to put onto the taxpayer.

All those found guilty of it should be hung for treason.

Tayla · 17-08-2011 03:18PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

There should be a constitutional amendment to make it illegal for private debt to put onto the taxpayer.

All those found guilty of it should be hung for treason.

+ 1000000 Well said Zebra3!!

prinz · 17-08-2011 03:24PM

Tayla wrote: »

Well that just shows that people don't trust the people they're voting for (and rightly so) Personally I voted for Sinn Fein, yea their policies might be a bit out there but at least they care about the country and it's people first and foremost. Should that not be what everyone votes for?

Yup they have loads of experience in 'taking care' of people alright. They care so much about its people that they won't even call it a crime if you bump off some of them in cold blood.

Oh lookee, now you are in favour of changing the constitution it seems. I never would have guessed.

Cú Giobach · 17-08-2011 03:48PM

CardBordWindow wrote: »

Anyone know the lyrics to 'Deutsche Uber Alles'?

Maybe it's time to raise The Flag on High.

OneArt · 17-08-2011 03:51PM

Maybe then Irish cities will finally get an underground...

Cool_CM · 17-08-2011 04:12PM

In fairness, a lot of Irish people were quite happy to use German savings in the form of credit to buy their holiday homes and new cars etc. back in the day. Then when the German ambassador commented (quite accurately) on our new found lack of appreciation for money everybody went apesh*t.
You can't give out about losing sovereignty when it was something that was gradually sold off bit by bit whilst everybody was too busy being distracted by shiny things.

Phill Ewinn · 17-08-2011 04:13PM

I say we should hang FF/FG now while we can still afford rope.

Rise of the Fourth Reich, how Germany is using the financial crisis to conquer Europe

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