[2011-2012] What really happened to Madeleine McCann?

iamwhoiam · 01-07-2011 9:20am

dark crystal wrote: »

If a high level of Paracetomol had been administered to the infants (enough to knock them out), there would be abdominal pain and severe vomiting after they awoke (certainly during the proceeding 24 hours). Most parents would know something was badly amiss if their children were this sick, especially parents who were medically trained.

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That is actually not the point at all .The point I am making is Kate herself says she suspected the twins may have been drugged and yet didnt act on it at the time ,Very odd that a GP would be willing to wait till the next morning to see if they woke ok while suspecting her babies had been drugged .Dr Mc Cann would have no clue what , how much was given and yet did not act on her hunch .
I have worked in Paeds A+E and parents will come to A+E even if they are not sure a child has indeed taken anything at all .If they even suspect the child has they arrive to be sure ,its being careful and alert and good parenting ,

badabing106 · 01-07-2011 9:51am

dark crystal wrote: »

No matter who the tests were carried out on behalf of, there is no denying the home-office approved scientists who did the tests were professional and their conclusions were that no harmful drugs were administered to the twins that night.

http://truthformadeleine.com/2007/11/kate-takes-drug-tests-to-prove-she-wasnt-on-anti-depressants-when-madeleine-vanished/

They, say that no harmful drugs were administered , not that, no drugs were given to those children!

When Kazlux and others met with Mr. Amaral (Portugese investigator)

We wanted the twins tested for antihistaminica. The older types work sedating. You can find the traces up to 2 months after use. We were never allowed to test the twins until 3 months later when Kate called a collegue of mine. She wants an end to all the gossip and offers to have the twins tested for traces of sleeping pills. Kate knows as a doctor this is useless. But a little while later the same collegue receives a phonecall from Gerry who cancelles Kates’s offer and apologizes for her neurotic behaviour. We already knew Gerry traces all calls Kate makes

dark crystal · 01-07-2011 10:03am

If they did find antihistamines in the twins samples, what would that prove exactly? Giving a child antihistamines during a holiday certainly does not equate to purposely sedating them, nor does it prove you are guilty of any crime.

Badabing - could you provide a link for the quotes you are posting please? I haven't a clue who this Kazlux person is.

Green Back · 01-07-2011 10:32am

This completely stinks of a mossad 'event'.
Gerry 'treated' well known mossad agent 'James Kearney' aka the Vulcan.

The Vulcan was based at the Israeli consulate in NY from June 2000 to November 2001.
Rumours at Glenfield Hospital in November 2001 were that the surgery was a disaster because of a hand slippage while the vulcan was under the knief, resulting in major facial disfigurement.
Aparently this wasn't the first case of negative surgical reactions from one group of special clients.

Mistyeyes321 · 01-07-2011 4:51pm

Green Back wrote: »

This completely stinks of a mossad 'event'.
Gerry 'treated' well known mossad agent 'James Kearney' aka the Vulcan.

The Vulcan was based at the Israeli consulate in NY from June 2000 to November 2001.
Rumours at Glenfield Hospital in November 2001 were that the surgery was a disaster because of a hand slippage while the vulcan was under the knief, resulting in major facial disfigurement.
Aparently this wasn't the first case of negative surgical reactions from one group of special clients.

Please excuse my ignorance here.:) What is all this about? I really don't get this can you explain it a little further just for little old mee?!

:)

Green Back · 02-07-2011 7:48am

Mistyeyes321 wrote: »

Please excuse my ignorance here.:) What is all this about? I really don't get this can you explain it a little further just for little old mee?!:)

Think 911

thebullkf · 02-07-2011 10:21pm

police call..?

Mistyeyes321 · 02-07-2011 10:41pm

Eh? 911... Police call...Sorry I haven't got the slightest clue what either of you are refering to...How is these two related to Maddie Mccann?

Kildare Resident · 02-07-2011 10:50pm

Haven't read all the posts but am I the only one thinking that if it wasn't such a "well to do" family that they'd be left with the other kids and there would be bloody uproar if it was an unmarried couple on the S.W.?

I also think they should be looking at mammy........

thebullkf · 02-07-2011 11:31pm

Mistyeyes321 wrote: »

Eh? 911... Police call...Sorry I haven't got the slightest clue what either of you are refering to...How is these two related to Maddie Mccann?

i was pointing out how unrelated nine eleven in the states has to do with madelines disappearance

furiousox · 02-07-2011 11:38pm

"The internet at its best" :rolleyes:
I don't know what happened and neither do you.
Now go to bed, it's late.

thebullkf · 03-07-2011 12:27am

furiousox wrote: »

"The internet at its best" :rolleyes:
I don't know what happened and neither do you.
Now go to bed, it's late.

whos that directed at

furiousox · 03-07-2011 12:33am

Everyone on this thread, speculate all you like but remember that's all it is....gossip, theory, speculation... a waste of time and energy...
No-one here knows for certain what happened to that child.

badabing106 · 03-07-2011 1:01am

furiousox wrote: »

Everyone on this thread, speculate all you like but remember that's all it is....gossip, theory, speculation... a waste of time and energy...
No-one here knows for certain what happened to that child.

THe British and Portugese police believe that Madeleine McCann died by cause of accident,not by homicide, and that the McCanns similated an abduction. British sniffer dogs got the scent of a dead body in the McCanns appartment and in their rental car, a car they rented three weeks after the "abduxction" of Madeleine Mccann. There was a dead body detected in the McCanns apartment and in their rental car? Who was the dead body if it was not Madeleine McCann?

iamwhoiam · 03-07-2011 11:10am

furiousox wrote: »

Everyone on this thread, speculate all you like but remember that's all it is....gossip, theory, speculation... a waste of time and energy...
No-one here knows for certain what happened to that child.

Wow , how insightful
. !

furiousox · 03-07-2011 11:32am

I take it you mean insightful?
I know, thanks!

Mistyeyes321 · 29-07-2011 12:22am

British Papers reporting Maddie could well have been found in India! Dna test's have been taken so it would seem?!
Then I just noticed this link...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019698/Madeleine-McCann-Hopes-dashed-sighting-India.html?ito=feeds-newsxml!
Any thought's on this? Isit so rare in some foreign countries for a child to have blond hair? I don't think it is. So why is there always this big story when a child like this is seen?. Can't imagine what the Parent's of this child felt like having to Prove the child was their own Daughter!

Jesus Wept · 29-07-2011 1:26am

Mistyeyes321 wrote: »

Other's think the Mccann's was being watched by a paedophile ring, Again why not take all three kids?! If they was prepared to take the risk then why not?. It's like being robbed & just taking the Copper's & leaving the silver & gold!

Carrying one child is tough enough, carrying a child and two babies would be impossible, especially out a window.

I'm not sure why you assume the 4 year old to be copper compared to a baby who is silver/gold. Paedos are into what they are into, looks wise/age group wise, etc - they have preferences. The gold is more likely to be the 4 year old than a baby and the child is probably going to be killed within hours rather than days or weeks.

Anyhow, I'd put the chance that this is what happened at under 5% personally.

Mistyeyes321 wrote: »

British Papers reporting Maddie could well have been found in India! Dna test's have been taken so it would seem?!
Then I just noticed this link...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019698/Madeleine-McCann-Hopes-dashed-sighting-India.html?ito=feeds-newsxml!
Any thought's on this? Isit so rare in some foreign countries for a child to have blond hair? I don't think it is. So why is there always this big story when a child like this is seen?. Can't imagine what the Parent's of this child felt like having to Prove the child was their own Daughter!

It's nonsense like the other dozen or so similar stories in the last couple of years.

Dude111 · 29-07-2011 8:51am

Gerry and Kate McCann do not believe a young girl spotted in India is their missing daughter, their spokesman said.

Yea sadly they probably know EXACTLY what happend to thier daughter!!

jackiebaron · 29-07-2011 11:32am

Everyone should try (however sick this may sound) to put themselves in the place of, say, a paedophile. If you wanted to abduct a child for your sick purposes what would be the best and easiest way to go about doing this?
I'm going to rule out that the parents had a hand in this. Why? I just can't fathom it. They are loving parents to two of their children and a sadistic and callous to another? Doesn't make sense.
So if we assume that Madeleine was well and truly abducted then it can only have been by a certain kind of person, i.e. a deranged murderer, a paedophile/sex trafficker, a childless person who wanted a baby OR someone who could make money selling the child to one of the aforementioned.
So then begs the question if you were one of the above, what would be the best way to achieve your goal? Where could you best find and abduct a child without detection? Was the McCann's apartment the best place in Portugal outside of schools, beaches, playgrounds, etc.?
Murderers usually grab a child who is on the way home from school or the shops. They don't usually actually break into someone's home, take a child and then kill that child. I mean a child murderer generally has to find a victim with the least possible suspicion hence meeting in bus stations or parks......i.e. no crime is committed in actually initiating contact with the victim so that if someone intervenes the murderer/paedo hasn't actually implicated himself in anything prosecutable other than suspicious behaviour.
Breaking into a house is already a crime and as such would lead me to believe that the abductor wanted Madeleine specifically and not just any random child.
I dunno...it's pretty baffling and a little depressing. I'm no sleuth but of all the cases of abductions that I've heard or read about I can't remember one being actually a break-in. Usually the victim is abducted from a scene that is part of their routine so in all likelihood they have been monitored over a period.

alanc2003 · 29-07-2011 3:01pm

there was no sign of a break in so how is that explained away? i think the chances of a paedo/murderer breaking into the apartment is a fairly unlikely scenario.

anyway book sales must be dipping, they need to have the case in the news again, they do have a legal team to pay for after all!!

dark crystal · 29-07-2011 4:20pm

jackiebaron wrote: »

I dunno...it's pretty baffling and a little depressing. I'm no sleuth but of all the cases of abductions that I've heard or read about I can't remember one being actually a break-in. Usually the victim is abducted from a scene that is part of their routine so in all likelihood they have been monitored over a period.

Polly Klaas was abducted from her bedroom:

http://www.pollyklaas.org/about/pollys-story.html

Jonbenet Ramsey was also murdered in her own home, while her parents slept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen%C3%A9t_Ramsey

They are rare enough occurences, but they do happen. The patio doors to the McCann's apartment were unlocked, so that would be easy enough access for any potential abductor. No forced entry needed there.

In my opinion, someone was watching the family for a while before she was snatched. They knew the parents regularly ate out in the evenings, making sytematic checks every 15-20 minutes or so. That is more than enough time to slip through the patio door and snatch the little girl.

A tragic case indeed and one that, in my opinion, has little chance of a happy ending

alanc2003 · 29-07-2011 5:43pm

But were the doors unlocked? The mccanns only came up with that story after the police found no evidence of a kidnapper climbing in or out of the bedroom window

Mistyeyes321 · 29-07-2011 6:14pm

The-Rigger wrote: »

Carrying one child is tough enough, carrying a child and two babies would be impossible, especially out a window.

I'm not sure why you assume the 4 year old to be copper compared to a baby who is silver/gold. Paedos are into what they are into, looks wise/age group wise, etc - they have preferences. The gold is more likely to be the 4 year old than a baby and the child is probably going to be killed within hours rather than days or weeks.

Anyhow, I'd put the chance that this is what happened at under 5% personally.

It's nonsense like the other dozen or so similar stories in the last couple of years.

The point I was trying to make here was, If someone is going to take the time to stake my house out for their financial Gain...Why would they do all that only taking the Penny Jar & leaving the Notes.! I was also replying to someone who said they thought this child was taken for them to bring up as their own child. My point there was Maddie would likely take far longer to forget her parent's than a Baby would!
I agree with your last Comment!

Daisy M · 05-08-2011 4:03pm

Ok, so someone sees a child they think is Madeleine and take action. How do Kate and Gerry react? They study the photo and conclude they do not think its Madeleine. Thats it nothing else. They do not use this opportunity to revive awareness of the case, they express no thanks to the people who keep Madeleines image in their mind and contuine to look for her when they are away. I cant understand why they didnt jump on this publicity and put Madeliene back in the limelight once more. Very strange.

gbee · 05-08-2011 6:36pm

If the dog says there was a cadaver and in such a small space. Well I believe that dog.

Jesus Wept · 15-08-2011 10:17am

Mistyeyes321 wrote: »

The point I was trying to make here was, If someone is going to take the time to stake my house out for their financial Gain...Why would they do all that only taking the Penny Jar & leaving the Notes.! I was also replying to someone who said they thought this child was taken for them to bring up as their own child. My point there was Maddie would likely take far longer to forget her parent's than a Baby would!
I agree with your last Comment!

You are also making the assumption that if someone took her it was for financial gain, I'd estimate that scenario as far less likely than others.

MapForJ · 16-08-2011 11:28am

Sardonicat wrote: »

Calpol is paracetemol. It does not make you sleepy.

there is a calpol with an antihistamine which can help sleep. i doubt if a doctor would make a mistake in dose in that or any sleep inducer. If given too much she would be more likely to die from the paracetamol

MapForJ · 16-08-2011 1:09pm

lugha wrote: »

just as easily happen if you are too far away from your children to hear them crying. Whether than is 12, 120 or 1,200 metres makes no material difference.

that is rubbish. anyone intent on wrongdoing is much more likely to enter when the owner is 1200 meters away than when they are in the back garden.

This would apply especially to opportunists but to planned crime as well. No criminal wants to be seen the thing is to get in and out quick. Do you know how criminals go through drawers for this purpose of in and out fast?

lugha · 16-08-2011 1:53pm

MapForJ wrote: »

that is rubbish. anyone intent on wrongdoing is much more likely to enter when the owner is 1200 meters away than when they are in the back garden.

This would apply especially to opportunists but to planned crime as well. No criminal wants to be seen the thing is to get in and out quick. Do you know how criminals go through drawers for this purpose of in and out fast?

But many (most?) people posting here do not believe that Madeleine was abducted, rather than she died in some manner of unfortunate accident that may have been prevented had the McCanns provided a better (indeed many would say, basic) level of supervision for their children.

It is with respect to this scenario that I argue that there is no real difference between having a house or garden party where you cannot hear your children and one where you may be a considerable distance from your home.

[2011-2012] What really happened to Madeleine McCann?

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