London Riots

itsgrand · 09-08-2011 02:57AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Tilts head... whhhhyyyyyyy?

cause dublin has some thugs too,i wonder if there'd be an outbreak of them here aswell as in england

amacachi · 09-08-2011 02:58AM

jank wrote: »

What will arise from this is a growing right-wing sentiemnt of the general public and why the **** not. Burning and looting hairdressers and Tescos as a protest against the system. GTFO.

They should unleash some of the dogs on them, lets see how fast they can run!:)

I must ask, which type of right-wing sentiment? :pac:

dsmythy · 09-08-2011 03:01AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Tilts head... whhhhyyyyyyy?

Why Liverpool/Bristol/Birmingham.

FreudianSlippers · 09-08-2011 03:03AM

Because they're in England and the riot is "supposedly" to do with the Met. That's why.

Update: A 26-year old man is in a serious condition in hospital after being found with gunshot wounds in Croydon.

paul71 · 09-08-2011 03:06AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Because they're in England and the riot is "supposedly" to do with the Met. That's why.

Update: A 26-year old man is in a serious condition in hospital after being found with gunshot wounds in Croydon.

Shots fired in Liverpool as well.

Scofflaw · 09-08-2011 03:07AM

jank wrote: »

What will arise from this is a growing right-wing sentiemnt of the general public and why the **** not. Burning and looting hairdressers and Tescos as a protest against the system. GTFO.

They should unleash some of the dogs on them, lets see how fast they can run!:)

I'm pretty certain you can do better than this kind of mindless verbal "hey let's kick their butts lol" kind of stuff. Others can't, but they're being banned as we speak.

moderately,
Scofflaw

Revolution9 · 09-08-2011 03:07AM

amacachi wrote: »

I must ask, which type of right-wing sentiment? :pac:

Well, some of the extreme right in Britain are already trying to make money out of this.

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Disgusting.

jank · 09-08-2011 03:07AM

amacachi wrote: »

I must ask, which type of right-wing sentiment? :pac:

The law and order type as well as the usual spin offs that I am not a fan of.

FreudianSlippers · 09-08-2011 03:09AM

Revolution9 wrote: »

Well, some of the extreme right in Britain are already trying to make money out of this.

Disgusting.

Now if THAT isn't the word that cannot be mentioned behaviour then I don't know what is. Disgusting.

They do see that there are white people rioting too don't they?

Scofflaw · 09-08-2011 03:11AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Now if THAT isn't the word that cannot be mentioned behaviour then I don't know what is. Disgusting.

Eh, "BNP" is pretty much synonymous with that word anyway.

cordially,
Scofflaw

amacachi · 09-08-2011 03:12AM

I assume the BNP will be picking and choosing what images and videos to spread around. :pac:

Any fires getting started now will go until tomorrow morning judging from the numbers of firefighters already deployed. A timber yard apparently has been set alight. Unreal.

FreudianSlippers · 09-08-2011 03:13AM

amacachi wrote: »

I assume the BNP will be picking and choosing what images and videos to spread around. :pac:

Any fires getting started now will go until tomorrow morning judging from the numbers of firefighters already deployed. A timber yard apparently has been set alight. Unreal.

Apparently from LBC sources: London Fire Brigade is "running out of fire engines."

Scofflaw · 09-08-2011 03:15AM

Cue The Clash.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Overheal · 09-08-2011 03:15AM

This is barely news over here though there have been some good followings in the blogosphere like gawker media. Is there a live feed anywhere of news cover on it?

paul71 · 09-08-2011 03:15AM

amacachi wrote: »

I assume the BNP will be picking and choosing what images and videos to spread around. :pac:

Any fires getting started now will go until tomorrow morning judging from the numbers of firefighters already deployed. A timber yard apparently has been set alight. Unreal.

Really scary thing is that many of the shops being fired have flats above them, with no firebrigads to respond god help those people.

amacachi · 09-08-2011 03:16AM

paul71 wrote: »

Really scary thing is that many of the shops being fired have flats above them, with no firebrigads to respond god help those people.

I would be absolutely amazed if there haven't already been deaths tonight.

paul71 · 09-08-2011 03:18AM

Scofflaw wrote: »

Cue The Clash.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Crossed my mind an hour ago.

FreudianSlippers · 09-08-2011 03:18AM

Scofflaw wrote: »

Cue The Clash.

cordially,
Scofflaw

I'd hardly say it's a "White Riot" :eek: At least, not according to the BNP!

BlaasForRafa · 09-08-2011 03:19AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I suppose the thought could be that if they put the army out, it may incite more people to take to the streets?

It's just amazing that this just gets worse by the hour.

Its like Lord of the Flies writ large, the societal pressure that usually prevents the scum in society from doing what they want has dissipated, the police seem ineffective and clueless.

If this was the united states, the national guard would have already been called in. It would seem to me that some form of limited martial law in certain areas of London would be justified with curfews imposed and the use of plastic bullets and watercannon on gatherings of rioters and looters.

Revolution9 · 09-08-2011 03:20AM

The guy running the Guardian's live updates is finished for the night and has signed off with this:

Right, I'm off home. Thanks for reading and for all the contributions and comments. Hope all are safe.

Paul Lewis and Mustafa Khalili are still out reporting from London on Twitter – they're heading to Ealing, where some reports have suggested violence is still continuing, and expect to arrive in about 20 minutes or so.

If any do doubt that there are decent journalists out there in light of the recent scandals, the bravery of these two guys should correct that. I would be terrified to even leave a light on in my house, no mind head to the centre of the action with a smartphone ready to report on it. A journalist from the Beeb was mugged and had his phone stolen earlier tonight.

BlaasForRafa · 09-08-2011 03:21AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'd hardly say it's a "White Riot" :eek: At least, not according to the BNP!

I think he meant Londons Burning

amacachi · 09-08-2011 03:21AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Its like Lord of the Flies writ large, the societal pressure that usually prevents the scum in society from doing what they want has dissipated, the police seem ineffective and clueless.

If this was the united states, the national guard would have already been called in. It would seem to me that some form of limited martial law in certain areas of London would be justified with curfews imposed and the use of plastic bullets and watercannon on gatherings of rioters and looters.

I'm really torn on whether or not I would have liked to see American tactics used tonight. It all would've ended several hours ago anyway if they had.

BlaasForRafa · 09-08-2011 03:26AM

amacachi wrote: »

I'm really torn on whether or not I would have liked to see American tactics used tonight. It all would've ended several hours ago anyway if they had.

I can't honestly say. These events are happening in disparate areas of London and they are ebbing and flowing.

What seems to be happening is that rioters gather quickly, loot, rob and burn and then dissapate before the police can arrive in force and make arrests.

Its not like a traditional riot in which the rioters stay in a relatively static area and lob bricks at the police (who are able to concentrate in formation to take them on)

FreudianSlippers · 09-08-2011 03:27AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I think he meant Londons Burning

I just can't believe that this has been going on for over "48 Hours" in that "Garageland"! What you certainly cannot "Deny" is that because of all of these "Police & Thieves" "London's Burning".

"The Right Profile" need to get in there and seriously "Clampdown" on this situation.
I mean, "Janie Jones"! Enough of all this "Hate & War" already... it's just all so "Hateful".

Overheal · 09-08-2011 03:27AM

amacachi wrote: »

I'm really torn on whether or not I would have liked to see American tactics used tonight. It all would've ended several hours ago anyway if they had.

Define these tactics for me?

Debthree · 09-08-2011 03:27AM

Overheal wrote: »

This is barely news over here though there have been some good followings in the blogosphere like gawker media. Is there a live feed anywhere of news cover on it?

Barely news? It's huge news. Everywhere. We don't have a 24 hour news channel in Ireland so no, it's not on all the time but Irish people are obviously watching it on Sky and BBC which are more or less constantly showing it. To say it's barely news here is puzzling to be honest. People here are shocked and appalled and very sympathetic towards the innocent victims of these scumbag rioters. It'll be all over the papers here too tomorrow.

amacachi · 09-08-2011 03:28AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I can't honestly say. These events are happening in disparate areas of London and they are ebbing and flowing.

What seems to be happening is that rioters gather quickly, loot, rob and burn and then dissapate before the police can arrive in force and make arrests.

Its not like a traditional riot in which the rioters stay in a relatively static area and lob bricks at the police (who are able to concentrate in formation to take them on)

The police have said they wouldn't attempt to prevent looting. Once that boundary is gone it starts a dangerous slide.
The police seem to have preferred to have some areas completely destroyed rather than have light damage more spread out but once word spread that they could do what they wanted with impunity that was pretty much it.

FreudianSlippers · 09-08-2011 03:28AM

Debthree wrote: »

Barely news? It's huge news. Everywhere. We don't have a 24 hour news channel in Ireland so no, it's not on all the time but Irish people are obviously watching it on Sky and BBC which are more or less constantly showing it. To say it's barely news here is puzzling to be honest. People here are shocked and appalled and very sympathetic towards the innocent victims of these scumbag rioters.

Ahem.

Overheal - Location: South Carolina

amacachi · 09-08-2011 03:31AM

Overheal wrote: »

Define these tactics for me?

National Guard with proper equipment to get around and enough numbers and arms to enforce the law.

Overheal · 09-08-2011 03:31AM

Debthree wrote: »

Barely news? It's huge news. Everywhere. We don't have a 24 hour news channel in Ireland so no, it's not on all the time but Irish people are obviously watching it on Sky and BBC which are more or less constantly showing it. To say it's barely news here is puzzling to be honest. People here are shocked and appalled and very sympathetic towards the innocent victims of these scumbag rioters. It'll be all over the papers here too tomorrow.

Barely news

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