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London Riots

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  • #242
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I know but you can't ask for the Army to be stretched even more. At the end of the day, if the police in London can't stop young kids going around and burning huge buildings to the ground, then you have to ask serious questions.

    And perhaps this is a sign that London's police really has never been that good.

    Swarming phenomena is almost impossible to curtail quickly. Short of shooting them.


  • #243
    busyliving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭busyliving


    Bring the army in, if this keeps up I think deadly force should be used no matter what age they are, they are breaking the law and endangering way too many people...

    No government to stand for this **** its an absolute joke


  • #244
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    I really wish it were possible to get some accurate reports of what's going on at the moment.


  • #245
    sink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    So the police always existed? Throughout the one million years of human existance? What are you smoking? The police are a relatively modern invention. One might say modern police forces sprung up just after the birth of capitalism.

    I believe that communities can deal criminality. AS for being taken hostage, I have no idea who would want to take me hostage. And if I had a minor road accident I'd go to a hospital?

    The first professional police force was established in ancient Rome by Augustus around 2000 years ago. I wouldn't exactly call that modern.


  • #246
    JOB93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭JOB93


    ben.schlomo wrote: »
    Great advert for why sterilising people of a certain level of intelligence would have a positive effect on society.;)


    Haha, you sound like Kevin Myers


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  • #247
    V_Moth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭V_Moth


    ben.schlomo wrote: »
    Great advert for why sterilising people of a certain level of intelligence would have a positive effect on society.;)

    Congratulations! You win worst post of the evening!


  • #248
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I know but you can't ask for the Army to be stretched even more. At the end of the day, if the police in London can't stop young kids going around and burning huge buildings to the ground, then you have to ask serious questions.

    And perhaps this is a sign that London's police really has never been that good.
    most young kids as you call them are fitter and faster than these police.
    Why not give them some credit?


  • #249
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Ricardo G wrote: »
    Wow, thats some list :rolleyes:

    Our own Gardai have made numerous mistakes over the years, does that mean every one of them are corrupt ?? And just because you had a bad experience with ONE that does'nt make the rest a bad bunch.

    There are clear institutional problems with the way the Met is run. Given that no officer has ever been punished for excessive force, death of civilians in custody etc - and yet these incidents keep happening - there is clearly a systemic institutional problem that goes beyond individual officers.
    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    The police are unfit for purpose in my opinion. They exist only to protect the property rights of big business and to supress any dissent from the great unwashed masses.

    Well given the chaos in London right now, they clearly don't exist to protect the rights of small business owners, that's for damn sure.


  • #250
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    digme wrote: »
    most young kids as you call them are fitter and faster than these police.
    Why not give them some credit?
    You serious?


  • #251
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Anyway, one thing we can all agree on, its not a proper riot until we see some sliced ham.

    Just to ensure clarity of thought here,could the OP elaborate on this particular element of the thread ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • #252
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    You serious?
    why wouldn't i be?


  • #253
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    mike65 wrote: »
    Swarming phenomena is almost impossible to curtail quickly. Short of shooting them.

    Which is why I am amazed that they are not imposing curfews. I would bet dollars to donuts that at least half of those who are running amok are minors too.


  • #254
    V_Moth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭V_Moth


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Just to ensure clarity of thought here,could the OP elaborate on this particular element of the thread ?

    This thread is now about ham.


  • #255
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Just to ensure clarity of thought here,could the OP elaborate on this particular element of the thread ?

    picture from the dublin riot of a guy with some denny sliced ham. not a reference to anything else I dont think.


  • #256
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    V_Moth wrote: »
    Congratulations! You win worst post of the evening!
    Think you need to go out and get yourself a sarcasm detector before your head explodes.


  • #257
    Fluffybums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭Fluffybums


    As adequately illustrated on this thread; the police cannot win, most of the louts appear to school kids and of a variety races, colours and creeds, if they go in they will be accused of being racist/beating up children/lacking understanding etc. They take a more softly, softly approach they are incompetent.
    Greater London covers an area of 602 sq.miles with a population of nearly 8 million, the Met consists of about 37,000 officers (including specials). With the best will in the world, they are overwhelmed.


  • #258
    LeixlipRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    walshb wrote: »
    You are having a ****ing laugh, right? The single most important aspect of any civilised society is law and order; without it chaos rules. Police enforce law and order, and only then do we survive and move on and live and prosper.

    What has one million years ago got to do with today, yesterday or the day before?

    Everything. For the majority of the timeline of human development there was no police. Did the world end without law and order? No. Who elects police officers to protect the law? What community chooses those who "protect" them? The police have only one concern, following the instructions of their political masters, those people are lobbied directly by big business, corporate interests, etc, and it's they who dictate what the police say or do. Have you been following the NOTW scandal? Don't be so bloody naive. People is what society and community is about, not some twat in a stab proof vest hassling people about unpaid parking fines.


  • #259
    V_Moth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭V_Moth


    ben.schlomo wrote: »
    sarcasm detector explodes.

    Oh, that's a real useful invention...


  • #260
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    Time for the residents to kick ass :mad:


  • #261
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Everything. For the majority of the timeline of human development there was no police. Did the world end without law and order? No. Who elects police officers to protect the law? What community chooses those who "protect" them? The police have only one concern, following the instructions of their political masters, those people are lobbied directly by big business, corporate interests, etc, and it's they who dictate what the police say or do. Have you been following the NOTW scandal? Don't be so bloody naive. People is what society and community is about, not some twat in a stab proof vest hassling people about unpaid parking fines.[/QUOTE]
    Pay your fines and none of this happens :D


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  • #262
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Anyway, one thing we can all agree on, its not a proper riot until we see some sliced ham.
    bwahahahahahahajhahahaha
    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Just to ensure clarity of thought here,could the OP elaborate on this particular element of the thread ?
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  • #263
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Everything. For the majority of the timeline of human development there was no police. Did the world end without law and order? No. Who elects police officers to protect the law? What community chooses those who "protect" them? The police have only one concern, following the instructions of their political masters, those people are lobbied directly by big business, corporate interests, etc, and it's they who dictate what the police say or do. Have you been following the NOTW scandal? Don't be so bloody naive. People is what society and community is about, not some twat in a stab proof vest hassling people about unpaid parking fines.

    But there have always been security forces who acted in the interests of the local ruler or ruling organization, even before the advent of the state or modern policing. Security has always been the most primary function of a human collective; to reference Hobbes, without it, it is impossible to engage in productive activities.


  • #264
    cancercowboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭cancercowboy


    The rioters are truly scum. Make no mistake, they are not rioting for any reason other than a sick enjoyment of violence. The only excuse they can use relates to the shooting of a drug dealer and widely-known gangster who allegedly shot at the police before being taken down.

    This comes down to a bunch of young people in the UK enjoying violence and suddenly getting a chance to do it on a bigger scale. They are a blight on this country and everyone knows it.

    Again, I just want to reiterate, these guys aren't protesting and this isn't a political movement. It's mindless violence for no reason at all.

    I feel this sums up the feelings of most people in the UK/London:

    "The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms.The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42" Plasma TV"


  • #265
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    kicking off in liverpool now.


  • #266
    busyliving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭busyliving


    This lad on BBC is talking out his arse...

    I've no job, but I don't go out and break the law, because I'm not scum.


  • #267
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    cancercowboy wrote: »
    The rioters are truly scum. Make no mistake, they are not rioting for any reason other than a sick enjoyment of violence. The only excuse they can use relates to the shooting of a drug dealer and widely-known gangster who allegedly shot at the police before being taken down.

    This comes down to a bunch of young people in the UK enjoying violence and suddenly getting a chance to do it on a bigger scale. They are a blight on this country and everyone knows it.

    Again, I just want to reiterate, these guys aren't protesting and this isn't a political movement. It's mindless violence for no reason at all.

    I feel this sums up the feelings of most people in the UK/London:

    "The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms.The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42" Plasma TV"
    Couldn't agree with you more. There is absolutely nothing political about what is happening.


  • #268
    JOB93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭JOB93


    cancercowboy wrote: »
    The rioters are truly scum. Make no mistake, they are not rioting for any reason other than a sick enjoyment of violence. The only excuse they can use relates to the shooting of a drug dealer and widely-known gangster who allegedly shot at the police before being taken down.

    This comes down to a bunch of young people in the UK enjoying violence and suddenly getting a chance to do it on a bigger scale. They are a blight on this country and everyone knows it.

    Again, I just want to reiterate, these guys aren't protesting and this isn't a political movement. It's mindless violence for no reason at all.

    I feel this sums up the feelings of most people in the UK/London:

    "The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms.The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42" Plasma TV"

    We've already established that he did not shoot at police... they admitted it.


  • #269
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    Possibly already suggested but rubber bullets


  • #270
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dirk Gently wrote: »
    kicking off in liverpool now.

    Police station in Birmingham on fire (sorry if posted already).

    And someone linked me to a photo of disturbances in Bristol.


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  • #271
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    travelguru wrote: »
    It might of been but it was still lobbied by whoever had the most gold, sheep or cows.

    And you see no benefits to this system whatsoever to those who do not own cows or gold?

    Without a public policing system, rich people would be fine - they can buy their own security. This is the case in many developing countries. Everyone else is on their own.

    The Met have an atrocious track record, and I cannot think of how they could have possible mismanaged the current situation more than they have, but the most likely victims of crime tend to the the ones who can least afford to take their own security measures, so I think the idea that the existence of a police force is inherently repressive or only serves to benefit the wealthy is ridiculous.


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