Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

Odgey · 07-08-2011 01:07PM

As I said, apart from his back mp the rest need to be timed properly. You do the heavy ruffian too early or close the opponent will jump right over you and his standing hk will only work at certain ranges.

Is good I've decided to learn one of those then, eh

Also, Sakura has the best anti-air, down fierce beats absolutely everything.

chopperbyrne · 07-08-2011 05:52PM

Odgey wrote: »

As I said, apart from his back mp the rest need to be timed properly.

Heaven forbid you might have to time a move properly :rolleyes:

Ken B · 07-08-2011 06:46PM

What I wouldn't give for one of Cody's anti-air options........even the timed ones!!?!:D

Saying a character with as many options, in every situation (he has wake up with EX), as Cody needs buffs is ridiculous, a dead and dumb argument....

bush · 07-08-2011 06:52PM

Ken B wrote: »

(he has wake up with EX)

Thats not a good wakeup move though ken, you can cr.lp him on wakeup and still block it.

Owwmykneecap · 07-08-2011 06:54PM

Aye, Vega really doesn't have much to work with on that front.

Did scarlet terror get buffs?

Ken B · 07-08-2011 08:17PM

bush wrote: »

Thats not a good wakeup move though ken, you can cr.lp him on wakeup and still block it.

Really? Thanks for that!

As for Scarlet terror, Capcom said they were going to buff it, but I have yet to see any improvement..

Fergus_ · 07-08-2011 11:46PM

Sakura's down fierce is easily empty jumped. And some moves beats it out clean like Honda's j.mp, Vega's j.hp, Blanka's j.hk, off the top of my head

bush · 07-08-2011 11:48PM

My character is crap too

Azza · 08-08-2011 12:07AM

Noooo.....my character is crap! Everyone's else character is OP. Quick Blag back me up!

Doctor DooM · 08-08-2011 12:10AM

My character is best crap character

Jun_DP101 · 08-08-2011 12:35AM

I agree that vega needs some sort of invincibility frames on at least one of his moves to make him have a viable wake up option.. it's kinda ridiculous at this stage.

The Hound · 08-08-2011 09:53AM

I think my character's great.

The word cheap is often tossed around at times with my characters name in the same sentence.

I also use cheap tactics like blocking

chopperbyrne · 08-08-2011 09:56AM

You think every character is great.

Seriously though, my characters are all great.

Xinkai · 08-08-2011 09:56AM

Seconded. Yun and Sakura are awesome.

Doctor DooM · 08-08-2011 09:59AM

chopperbyrne wrote: »

You think every character is great.

Seriously though, my characters are all great.

Yeah, you're always telling me how much you love Honda!

Placebo · 08-08-2011 10:01AM

its only because of this fine tuning, people have been constantly complaining and moaning, after the final one, i hope there is a small period of bitching and complaining followed by silence. Thats it, your character is final.
Dont think people ever complained as much in previous incarnations of SF.
Your character is ****? DAYMN, pick a different one

chopperbyrne · 08-08-2011 10:01AM

I do love Honda, but he's boring to play as.

Effective, but boring.

J0hnick · 08-08-2011 10:05AM

Damn!

Did this happen in Super ?, if so I'm surprised nobody noticed it till now

Doctor DooM · 08-08-2011 10:12AM

Ooooh azza I remembered 2 more Guile nerfs mentioned in the dev log- Guile's UDK has reduced damage, as does his sweep (I think, second hit).

Rob2D · 08-08-2011 10:32AM

J0hnick wrote: »

Damn!

Did this happen in Super ?, if so I'm surprised nobody noticed it till now

Well Gen didn't have his TC's in super so who knows? I suppose you could try doing cl. HK Gekiro and see if it whiffs on the alt in Super. I don't have the costumes for Cody so I can't try it.

Its not that big an issue because you'd normally just do lk. Gekiro after the TC because it hits the furthest. TC > HK Gekiro is character specific you see.

Owwmykneecap · 08-08-2011 10:35AM

So now theres potentially 149 matchups to learn! :eek:

/needless hysteria

Ken B · 08-08-2011 12:13PM

Placebo wrote: »

its only because of this fine tuning, people have been constantly complaining and moaning, after the final one, i hope there is a small period of bitching and complaining followed by silence. Thats it, your character is final.
Dont think people ever complained as much in previous incarnations of SF.
Your character is ****? DAYMN, pick a different one

Although I get you, I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying.

For example: my missus can't make a cup of tea to save her life, but I wouldn't ditch her as she has other talents which make her worth holding on to...

Hoovering and laundry management are the two that immediately spring to mind...

Placebo · 08-08-2011 12:14PM

TOP 20 ranked in japan [yun/yang]

For those of you who prefer a text translation, check this out.
01. BP 271,003 WARRIOR Daigo (Yun)
02. BP 241,725 U.MASTER Kazunoko (Yun)
03. BP 196,231 U.MASTER Mago2DGOD (Fei Long)
04. BP 183,883 U.MASTER MDR (Yun)
05. BP 173,343 U.MASTER Michaeltan (Ken)
06. BP 165,683 U.MASTER Nemo (Yang)
07. BP 164,930 U.MASTER Iyo (Ibuki)
08. BP 151,458 U.MASTER Ojisanboy (Yan)
09. BP 148,188 U.MASTER Fuudo (Fei Long)
10. BP 140,344 U.MASTER Banbaban (Yun)

11. BP 139,142 U.MASTER Yaz (Yun)
12. BP 128,587 U.MASTER @4Taku (Blanka)
13. BP 126,966 U.MASTER RF (Sagat)
14. BP 123,759 U.MASTER Nekojita (Abel)
15. BP 119,671 U.MASTER Kyabetsu (C. Viper)
16. BP 117,931 U.MASTER Dogura (Dictator)
17. BP 113,525 U.MASTER Fu*k Yun (Yun)
18. BP 110,983 U.MASTER Hisyou (Sagat)
19. BP 109,787 G.MASTER Maakun (Yun)
20. BP 109,529 U.MASTER Kindevu (Yun)

Ken B wrote: »

Although I get you, I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying.

For example: my missus can't make a cup of tea to save her life, but I wouldn't ditch her as she has other talents which make her worth holding on to...

Hoovering and laundry management are the two that immediately spring to mind...

decent analogy but not applicable,
If your Mrs, started to cheat on you, you could replace her with a new Mrs

I understand why people would complain, its only natural, but people comparing to vanilla now is like people talking about sean in SF3:2nd impact

K.O.Kiki · 08-08-2011 12:18PM

J0hnick wrote: »

Damn!

Did this happen in Super ?, if so I'm surprised nobody noticed it till now

Ban on alt costumes please.

This time it's a justified ban!

Doctor DooM · 08-08-2011 12:37PM

Placebo wrote: »

decent analogy but not applicable,
If your Mrs, started to cheat on you, you could replace her with a new Mrs

I understand why people would complain, its only natural, but people comparing to vanilla now is like people talking about sean in SF3:2nd impact

Yeah but see some people only want one Mrs, and don't like trading, because they learn all about that Mrs and changing her out would be a pain.

Whereas some people swop their Mrs as soon as a better one comes along.

Alot of people simply don't like the balance changes in AE in particular. As Hound is fond of saying, for example, Guile "had his balls ripped off". The game is less fun to me as a result. I think some of the nerfs are ok and wouldn't mind them, as Super can have a pretty heavy defensive skew in some match ups, but they pretty clearly went OTT with them.

The Deejay buffs don't really make it up for me

You can say what you want but the 2 best (IMO) tournament players in the country both really dislike the game compared to Super. Surely that means something. One is playing T Hawk out of frustration. The other effectively had his main removed from the game. These are not scrubby moaners, they're people who've invested time in the game, are clever players and represented all of us at an international level.

(Hound doesn't count because he just likes every character in the game anyway

)

Azza · 08-08-2011 01:38PM

Its human nature to moan about balance in games. You hear it alot in RTS games.

I'm sure the people who played SF 2 and SF 3 alot did do some complaining too but the internet is much more prevelant than it was back then and the fighting game scene is bigger now.

Ken B · 08-08-2011 02:05PM

Azza wrote: »

Its human nature to moan about balance in games. You hear it alot in RTS games.

I'm sure the people who played SF 2 and SF 3 alot did do some complaining too but the internet is much more prevelant than it was back then and the fighting game scene is bigger now.

Fighting games were never bigger than back in SFII's heyday.....but we were all too busy arguing about the best way to get to Sheng Long to worry about balance issues.

Doctor DooM · 08-08-2011 02:36PM

Ken B wrote: »

Fighting games were never bigger than back in SFII's heyday.....but we were all too busy arguing about the best way to get to Sheng Long to worry about balance issues.

Lol yeah, until maybe '98 maybe I would have never even heard of the term "hit confirm" and SF2 was dead in the water then.

The interesting thing here is that the AE balancing has had such a negative response that Capcom would spend the manpower and money the entire development life cycle would take for a rebalance.

Azza · 08-08-2011 02:52PM

I'm imagine fighting games are bigger now. Maybe when arcades where still around the casual scene was bigger but I doubt any of us knew much about high level play or balance back then.

chopperbyrne · 08-08-2011 02:58PM

Azza wrote: »

I'm imagine fighting games are bigger now. Maybe when arcades where still around the casual scene was bigger but I doubt any of us knew much about high level play or balance back then.

During the WW/CE/HF days arcades in Ireland were full of good players. You had to be good if you wanted the small amount of money you had to last long.

Option selects may not have been known about (not even sure if they exist in the CPS1 games), but SF II is such a simple game that high level strategy has not changed much in twenty years.

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