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irish gov give ANOTHER 500,000 to africa....

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  • #32
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Tehachapi wrote: »
    Yeah because the billions and billions we have been donating since the 80's have done them the world of good :rolleyes:

    The problem people have is that money doesn't go to the cause. It goes to fund the charity board of director's new BMWs firstly, then to their ground-staff, then the adminstration/travel costs, then to african war-lords to buy weapons, then maybe a fraction of a percentage to the actual cause.

    Of course the money won't 'fix' Africa and yes there are many problems but that still doesn't mean it hasn't saved countless lives.

    Do you know what percentage of our aid gets squandered?

    The thing is, it is an emergency situation at the moment. And not a time to be humming and hawing about corruption.


  • #33
    Pete M.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    yeah the needy, sick and dying children in Ireland dont need it:rolleyes:

    There's billions being spent on sick and dying children over here.
    But over there nearly every other child will die.
    Imagine having to pick between two of your own kids which one was to be given up.

    €500,000?

    We should have sent €5,000,000,000.

    The Government spend more on our secret service...

    http://www.budget.gov.ie/budgets/2011/Documents/White%20paper%20English.pdf

    If we can't, as a Nation, spare a bit of change, to help these poor wee bas'tards, then fcuk the lot of us.

    Heartless, greedy, compassionless, money junkies who give na'er a fcuk about anybody but themselves.


  • #34
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    We have very little concept of absolute poverty in Ireland.

    I feel we are morally bound to helping out those that are starving to death and far less off then ourselves. How this aid is distributed is important though.


  • #35
    whatdoicare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    laugh wrote: »
    There is having no food and water and dying because of it and there is being malnourished because your ma smokes 40 Johnny Blue a day.

    That is not actually why children in Ireland are facing poverty - that is just an idea/image in your head - a disgusting one at that. Many hard working families who are now jobless are suffering aswell as those with disabilities, real ones not "ow my back" ones. Go on the st vincent de paul website and educate yourself.


  • #36
    upinthesky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭upinthesky


    why don't they start handing out some contraception there??

    ok in my opinion were only making matters worse its awful to say but the more we give the more the population is growing and there's more people to feed and anyway is Africa not a very wealthy continent or am i wrong?


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  • #37
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    WindSock wrote: »
    The thing is, it is an emergency situation at the moment. And not a time to be humming and hawing about corruption.
    Especially when you're doing it from behind your computer screen on a nice broadband connection, in your nice, warm house, after a nice-Sunday-roast-and-then-a-couple-of-beers-down-the-pub-with-your-mates-to-watch-the-football.


  • #38
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    WindSock wrote: »
    Poverty in Ireland today does not equal a famine.

    No, but Irish children are dying through lack of proper medical facilities here (Cystic Fibrosis for instance). Plus we have a large number of homeless people on the streets that could use the money.

    I'd prefer Peter McVerry or Focus Ireland getting the €500,000.

    Plus we already give c.€600 million in overseas aid every year.


  • #39
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    lisar816 wrote: »
    why don't they start handing out some contraception there??

    ok in my opinion were only making matters worse its awful to say but the more we give the more the population is growing and there's more people to feed and anyway is Africa not a very wealthy country or am i wrong?

    :eek:

    What good is contraception and family planning when your kids are dying anyway?


  • #40
    whatdoicare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    lisar816 wrote: »
    why don't they start handing out some contraception there??

    ok in my opinion were only making matters worse its awful to say but the more we give the more the population is growing and there's more people to feed and anyway is Africa not a very wealthy country or am i wrong?

    The pope says no - and he seems to still have power over there.


  • #41
    upinthesky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭upinthesky


    Pete M. wrote: »
    There's billions being spent on sick and dying children over here.
    But over there nearly every other child will die.
    Imagine having to pick between two of your own kids which one was to be given up.

    €500,000?

    We should have sent €5,000,000,000.

    The Government spend more on our secret service...

    http://www.budget.gov.ie/budgets/2011/Documents/White%20paper%20English.pdf

    If we can't, as a Nation, spare a bit of change, to help these poor wee bas'tards, then fcuk the lot of us.

    Heartless, greedy, compassionless, money junkies who give na'er a fcuk about anybody but themselves.

    right so you pick the child then that child had to pick one of there children and so on and so the cycle keeps going and more and more money needed?
    its about was is best in the long run and using your head not your heart


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  • #42
    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    currently we are borrowing money....

    i dont think its right to borrow money and donate it to charity...

    think i might go to the credit union tomorrow, take out another loan, then donate it to a non irish charity.... dosnt make sense. and if they feel the need to donate money i would prefer if they did to an irish charity, cancer research or something...


  • #43
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    lisar816 wrote: »
    why don't they start handing out some contraception there??

    ok in my opinion were only making matters worse its awful to say but the more we give the more the population is growing and there's more people to feed and anyway is Africa not a very wealthy country or am i wrong?
    People don't have kids so that they can give them a fucking stupid name and show them off to their mates over there.

    They have as many kids as possible so that in the unlikely event that a couple of them survive, there is someone to look after the parents in their old age.


  • #44
    Tehachapi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭Tehachapi


    WindSock wrote: »
    Of course the money won't 'fix' Africa and yes there are many problems but that still doesn't mean it hasn't saved countless lives.

    Do you know what percentage of our aid gets squandered?

    The thing is, it is an emergency situation at the moment. And not a time to be humming and hawing about corruption.

    It's not solving anything though. If we fund enough so 100 people survive (who would have died otherwise), then they each have 7 children, and their children each have 7 children (common where there's a lack of contraception available) then in 50 years time you have almost 5,000 suffering and starving people in the exact same environment that led to poverty now.

    As horrible as it is to say, they should be allowed to die off. Africa's problems will not be solved by financial intervention from the western world. We are just prolonging their suffering and doing them more harm.


  • #45
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,199 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Sigh, all this tightfistedness coming from the people of a country in receipt of E80 billion in foreign aid. We didn't give Africa "another E500,000", the EU gave it and we were merely a proxy.


  • #46
    [Deleted User]
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    0O7 wrote: »
    http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/national-news/83243-ireland-to-boost-kenya-aid-by-500000.html



    what about us???? dont think our country can afford to give anything away

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU


  • #47
    Artur Foden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭Artur Foden


    500,000? Isn't that what some Irish people spent on one of their houses?

    It's nothing in the scheme of things and if it feeds a couple of families then so be it.


  • #48
    WindSock
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    No, but Irish children are dying through lack of proper medical facilities here (Cystic Fibrosis for instance). Plus we have a large number of homeless people on the streets that could use the money.

    I'd prefer Peter McVerry or Focus Ireland getting the €500,000.

    Plus we already give c.€600 million in overseas aid every year.


    Do you think that 500k will go into saving as many lives here as it would there?

    True we give aid already, but this is needed in a specific region atm.


  • #49
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    0O7 wrote: »
    currently we are borrowing money....

    i dont think its right to borrow money and donate it to charity...

    think i might go to the credit union tomorrow, take out another loan, then donate it to a non irish charity.... dosnt make sense. and if they feel the need to donate money i would prefer if they did to an irish charity, cancer research or something...
    Like I said earlier, we are borrowing that money so that we can pay off bankers that took punts and to keep you and me living in relative luxury.

    We are giving money to these people so they can eat and drink.

    The fucking ignorance in here is mind-boggling.


  • #50
    laugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    whatdoicare wrote: »
    That is not actually why children in Ireland are facing poverty - that is just an idea/image in your head - a disgusting one at that. Many hard working families who are now jobless are suffering aswell as those with disabilities, real ones not "ow my back" ones. Go on the st vincent de paul website and educate yourself.

    So no children in Ireland face poverty due to irresponsible parents?


  • #51
    upinthesky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭upinthesky


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    People don't have kids so that they can give them a fucking stupid name and show them off to their mates over there.

    They have as many kids as possible so that in the unlikely event that a couple of them survive, there is someone to look after the parents in their old age.
    fair enough i see what your saying but surly if everyone only had two children it would greater there chances of survival rather then watch the other 4 or so die?


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  • #52
    CaSCaDe711
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭CaSCaDe711


    Tehachapi wrote: »
    As horrible as it is to say, they should be allowed to die off. Africa's problems will not be solved by financial intervention from the western world. We are just prolonging their suffering and doing them more harm.

    What an utterly stupid comment.


  • #53
    whatdoicare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    laugh wrote: »
    So no children in Ireland face poverty due to irresponsible parents?
    Like I said already - st vincent de paul, website, educate yourself. Sweeping generalisations are not reality.


  • #54
    Pete M.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    lisar816 wrote: »
    right so you pick the child then that child had to pick one of their children and so on and so the cycle keeps going and more and more money needed?
    its about was is best in the long run and using your head not your heart

    Ah the old evolution argument eh?
    Survival of the fittest as perceived by the parent.
    Say the other half disagrees?

    And what cycle? And yes more and more money will be needed all the time.

    Of course this is all about the short term.
    They don't get the financial aid, then in the current system them kids die, simple enough.

    The whole fcuking world is operating to a corrupt and unfair system that would rather see thousands of innocent buckeens die than let a couple of poxy, over fed, mega rich banking institutions collapse under the weight of their own ineptitude.

    And you say let the head rule.

    Of course I fcuking do.

    There ain't any choice to be made if you don't have a functioning heart now is there?


  • #55
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    0O7 wrote: »
    http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/national-news/83243-ireland-to-boost-kenya-aid-by-500000.html



    what about us???? dont think our country can afford to give anything away
    They already spent just over a million on Africa.


  • #56
    Tehachapi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭Tehachapi


    CaSCaDe711 wrote: »
    What an utterly stupid comment.

    I know it doesn't appeal to your compassionate side, but the action I am suggesting means only 100 people suffer in my scenario, the action you wish condoned (donating) means 5,000 people will suffer.

    It's called logic.


  • #57
    upinthesky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭upinthesky


    CaSCaDe711 wrote: »
    What an utterly stupid comment.

    whats so stupid about that???


  • #58
    laugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    CaSCaDe711 wrote: »
    What an utterly stupid comment.

    Sounds like the kind of reasoning evidenced during the Irish famine, "There are just too many of those bloody paddies anyway old chum".


  • #59
    Awful_Bliss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Awful_Bliss


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    But you're happy for us to take money from the likes of the Germans to bail out **** who took a few punts on our banks that went tits up?

    Never said I was happy with it. I'm rightly p*ssed off with it seeing as I never bought any property during the boom. I wouldn't blame the Germans if they said hard cheese to us. Not happy seeing the Somalis starve to death either. I'm not callous!


  • #60
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Tehachapi wrote: »
    It's not solving anything though. If we fund enough so 100 people survive (who would have died otherwise), then they each have 7 children, and their children each have 7 children (common where there's a lack of contraception available) then in 50 years time you have almost 5,000 suffering and starving people in the exact same environment that led to poverty now.

    As horrible as it is to say, they should be allowed to die off. Africa's problems will not be solved by financial intervention from the western world. We are just prolonging their suffering and doing them more harm.

    It is a horrible thing to think that they should die off, like they are vermin.

    They have so many kids, because their kids keep dying.

    If aid was managed better they would have proper sanitation and education in place curb their babymaking and give themselves a chance to live better lives.

    Of course the aid needs to be spent better for long term plans, but the aid that is needed now is not for that, it is only needed now to basically save lives.

    Again, it is an emergency situation. A proper Famine. This money is needed right now.


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  • #61
    johnmcdnl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    Jaafa wrote: »
    Thats disgraceful. How dare they give away money to the needy, sick and dying children. tut tut. For shame.

    I agree with you.... I'm going to go to the bank first thing in the morning and take a loan of a couple hundred grand despite me being in debt as it is and I'm going to give it to all to some charity in Africa ;)


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