Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

Fergus_ · 05-08-2011 01:04PM

Cody's cr.lk change is a decent buff. He can punish moves a lot easier with it, say Makoto's ex hayaye on block, Sagat's Tiger knee, Rog's dash punch.

Fergus_ · 05-08-2011 01:04PM

Cody's cr.lk change is a decent buff. He can punish moves a lot easier with it, say Makoto's ex hayaye on block, Sagat's Tiger knee, Rog's dash punch.

FutureGuy · 05-08-2011 01:18PM

ogiekeaney wrote: »

yeah, with safe jumps and option selects you dont have much option but to block on wakeup......... its a pretty good option though

yep, DeeJay has very few OS, and even at that, it's very character specific. Cody probably suffers the most from DeeJays OS game, and that's saying something.

The buff to cr.lk seems really good on paper though? I'm not a Cody player but can it be used to start combos?

Azza · 05-08-2011 01:29PM

Think Cody could do with a few more buffs alright.

Doctor DooM · 05-08-2011 01:35PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

yep, DeeJay has very few OS, and even at that, it's very character specific. Cody probably suffers the most from DeeJays OS game, and that's saying something.

The buff to cr.lk seems really good on paper though? I'm not a Cody player but can it be used to start combos?

Dunno if it's just me but charge characters in general seem to have less functional OSes than command. Guile has a few character specific ones but the thread was lost on SRK when they upgraded.

The main ones are variations on f lk + f hp or dlk and df hk to catch back dashes and stuff. Compared to what other characters seem to have they're really tame

FutureGuy · 05-08-2011 02:22PM

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Dunno if it's just me but charge characters in general seem to have less functional OSes than command. Guile has a few character specific ones but the thread was lost on SRK when they upgraded.

The main ones are variations on f lk + f hp or dlk and df hk to catch back dashes and stuff. Compared to what other characters seem to have they're really tame

Yeah way less, and for the most part, they are pretty useless for DeeJay, but an OS c.mk with c.lp will catch a backdashing Cody.

Azza · 05-08-2011 02:27PM

Yeah charge characters don't generally have as good OS's. Like Bison can OS his slide or one of his fast pokes to catch some backdashs but they loose to invincible moves.

After a cross up he can option select s.mk to catch ex.pc and ex.headbutt.

The Hound · 05-08-2011 02:28PM

You can OS flash kick or OS U1 or U2 to catch backdashes. They should work. I'm Not sure if they catch all backdashes, I'd imagine they do.

Doctor DooM · 05-08-2011 02:41PM

The Hound wrote: »

You can OS flash kick or OS U1 or U2 to catch backdashes. They should work. I'm Not sure if they catch all backdashes, I'd imagine they do.

Is that not hyper risky? If they block you're in for a world of pain... unless U2 comes out I guess, it's pretty safe on block.

Azza · 05-08-2011 02:45PM

OS's don't come out if the opponent blocks.

Doctor DooM · 05-08-2011 02:47PM

Azza wrote: »

OS's don't come out if the opponent blocks.

Is this not untrue in the case of the crouching tech OS (not the late one)?

Anyone know how to do the above? I wouldn't mind experiementing with it.

Azza · 05-08-2011 02:48PM

Don't follow.

Doctor DooM · 05-08-2011 02:51PM

Azza wrote: »

Don't follow.

If you crouch and hit lp and lk, lk comes out.

However if someone tries to throw you, you tech the throw.

Thats an option select of a type, correct?

Ramza · 05-08-2011 03:03PM

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Is this not untrue in the case of the crouching tech OS (not the late one)?

Anyone know how to do the above? I wouldn't mind experiementing with it.

Cr tech os is totally different from osing a normal/special/ultra etc

Azza · 05-08-2011 03:05PM

Yeah that is an option select.

Most normal option selects work off a knock down followed by a safe jump with a option select inputted during the jump in. If the jump in is blocked or hits no OS comes out. If the jump in does not hit or does not force a block because the opponent has either performed a reversal with invincible frames or has backdashed, then the OS comes out.

You can also perform an OS during block strings. This is probably what Hound was talking about. Since Guile can't get charge straight off a forward jump he's going to have to build with a block string. I not sure what exactly Guiles OS is though. But I assume if your opponent tried to back dash out of the string he will get flash kicks. The option select should beat crouch tech. It won't come out against delayed crouch tech in which case you keep the block string going.

Doctor DooM · 05-08-2011 03:06PM

Ramza wrote: »

Cr tech os is totally different from osing a normal/special/ultra etc

But it's the same underlying idea, right? Different situations causing different results?

(I'm not trying to prove a point or anything, just want to know for future!)

EDIT: Never mind, just read Azza's post, cleared it up nicely. Will go investigating.

Ramza · 05-08-2011 03:15PM

After an untechable knockdown it's good, just do cr.jab, then slowly up+lk (given you have been charging), on block you get cr.jab cl.st.lk, on backdash you get flash. Altho I think OS backfist is better (cr.jab, back + jab + fierce for example). On block you get a string and keep charge, if they backdash you tag them with the backfist

Ya cr.tech is the same principle (has a cr.lk and a throw tech all in one) but osing a normal or move input usually relies on the basis that chain normals have more priority than special/normal moves. Like OS sweep with Shotos etc, cr.jab xx cr.lk has more priority than cr.rh, but on whiff the game sees there is no moves connecting so it gives you a sweep, it's a bit more in depth but really same thing

Doctor DooM · 05-08-2011 03:24PM

Ramza wrote: »

After an untechable knockdown it's good, just do cr.jab, then slowly up+lk (given you have been charging), on block you get cr.jab cl.st.lk, on backdash you get flash. Altho I think OS backfist is better (cr.jab, back + jab + fierce for example). On block you get a string and keep charge, if they backdash you tag them with the backfist

Ya cr.tech is the same principle (has a cr.lk and a throw tech all in one) but osing a normal or move input usually relies on the basis that chain normals have more priority than special/normal moves. Like OS sweep with Shotos etc, cr.jab xx cr.lk has more priority than cr.rh, but on whiff the game sees there is no moves connecting so it gives you a sweep, it's a bit more in depth but really same thing

Yeah, looking into it the fierce option select seems to be Guiles most reliable.

The only OSes for U2 I can find isn't for AE, I guess I could just try it out myself and see if I could get it working.

Thanks for the info lads, good stuff

The Hound · 05-08-2011 03:31PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcJOwVrqIg

Doctor DooM · 05-08-2011 03:34PM

Ok, so in the case of this OS:

meaty d.lp/mp > Sonic Boom ~ Ultra 1

The sonic boom would come out if the opponent doesn't backdash, am I correct? Long as the mp lands or is blocked?

Azza · 05-08-2011 03:40PM

Sound about right.

stev0knev022 · 05-08-2011 05:28PM

Snore

Dreddybajs · 05-08-2011 05:32PM

Does sonic boom come out if you go from db to uf? If not and you jump instead then that OS input wouldn't work. It'd work with U2's input though.

Odgey · 05-08-2011 05:45PM

Shokashi wrote: »

has anyone noticed the lack of improvements with cody, part from the knife which hardly anyone uses all they did was change his c.lk from 4 frames to 3. part from sagat he has a crap back dash thats punished when used and all his wake ups are not instant like every other player on the game even the ex versions of them

Been maining Cody since the beginning of Super, can safely say he isn't underrated at all. He simply isn't that good of a character. His backdash is easily the worst in the game, he has absolutely no options on wake-up and 90% of his specials are punishable..Oh and the best thing about Cody, his overhead is fully punishable on hit by most supers..

Doctor DooM · 05-08-2011 06:03PM

Dreddybajs wrote: »

Does sonic boom come out if you go from db to uf? If not and you jump instead then that OS input wouldn't work. It'd work with U2's input though.

Won't be home to try it til Sunday, but will let you know.

Azza · 05-08-2011 08:55PM

What ever about balance changes.

They need to fix a few bugs.

Yang wake up invincibility glitch.
Yang ultra/palm trade glitch.
Chun-Li ultra glitch where some characters fall out of it.
Rose falling out of Sagats U1.
Rose being immune to Blanka's slide while walking forward.
Rufus having a wonky low hitbox when in hitstun.

The Hound · 05-08-2011 09:01PM

Azza wrote: »

What ever about balance changes.

They need to fix a few bugs.

Yang wake up invincibility glitch.
Yang ultra/palm trade glitch.
Chun-Li ultra glitch where some characters fall out of it.
Rose falling out of Sagats U1.
Rose being immune to Blanka's slide while walking forward.
Rufus having a wonky low hitbox when in hitstun.

I think a few characters fall out of Sagats u1 when in the corner. Happens in the Mirrors a lot too

ogiekeaney · 06-08-2011 12:06PM

Odgey wrote: »

Been maining Cody since the beginning of Super, can safely say he isn't underrated at all. He simply isn't that good of a character. His backdash is easily the worst in the game, he has absolutely no options on wake-up and 90% of his specials are punishable..Oh and the best thing about Cody, his overhead is fully punishable on hit by most supers..

he has got solid anti airs, good damage, godly frametraps and in fairness, most specials in the game are punishable if not used properly........specials punishable on hit though is what really irks me( i play blanka).

id still maintain he is an underrated character even if he could do with a few buffs. (better pokes/walkspeed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa3fA450yGE

Odgey · 07-08-2011 12:49PM

It's all very well posting a video of someone not fighting back but those set-up's aren't as easy to do against any decent player, like sabre himself said and hence dropped Cody, check some Sasaki videos for the best Cody gameplay btw. He has one good consistent anti-air, the rest either trade or need to be done at a certain range/time. His pressure is good yes, but if he's pressured there's no way out for him, every jump in on his wakeup is a safe jump because he has simply no options to counter them.

Now I still play him and like most Cody players I know he has a lot more weaknesses than strengths and I maintain that if Cody had one decent reversal move he would be pushing for a top tier place.

stev0knev022 · 07-08-2011 01:01PM

Cody has the best AA in the game, HK ruffian kick is legit and the hitbox on back mp is dumb.

Cody is a solid mid tier character in this game and its dumb to complain cause the only other option is to play Yun/Yang or fei long.

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