Public sector going backwards again.

Feeona · 04-08-2011 05:40PM

cosmicfart wrote: »

my point was/is that the system failed me in a big way. Perhaps it was just the school I was in but my opinion of secondary teachers in general from my experience is of people that are nothing more than baby/day sitters, were only the prize pupils get the attention

You have admitted yourself that you only became determined to learn when you were a mature student. Which means you weren't determined to learn when you were at secondary school. You have to take responsibility for the part that you yourself played in your failed secondary education and stop placing the blame entirely on the education system. And it is a system, a system that works on standards. If the education system didn't play to the average joe soap, what you'd have is a system which takes every single individual's difficulties, strengths, weaknesses etc into account. Which in a class of thirty would have meant that your school day would have finished up at four in the morning at a stretch.

TheZohanS · 04-08-2011 05:43PM

salonfire wrote: »

You say the Public Service has taken a 20% pay cut. So what?
Why to you remind us of this so regularly?
Is it not enough?
Is it too much?

In 2014, you will still have a job.

1000s more won't.

Ah but they haven't taken a 20% pay cut, they still receive the 20% but it's paid into their massive pensions.

cosmicfart · 04-08-2011 05:46PM

Feeona wrote: »

You have admitted yourself that you only became determined to learn when you were a mature student. Which means you weren't determined to learn when you were at secondary school. You have to take responsibility for the part that you yourself played in your failed secondary education and stop placing the blame entirely on the education system. And it is a system, a system that works on standards. If the education system didn't play to the average joe soap, what you'd have is a system which takes every single individual's difficulties, strengths, weaknesses etc into account. Which in a class of thirty would have meant that your school day would have finished up at four in the morning at a stretch.

You're all backwards here. I was 13 when I joined secondary school, THIRTEENTH, a feckin kid, I had just moved to a new area were i knew no-one, first day in new school failed entrance exam and got shoved in the messers class from which I 'made new friends'. the teachers, all of them had the opinion that anyone in this messers class was just a useless prat not worthy of opening a book and trying to teach too. Im sure their a plenty of similar examples of this right to this day, infact im positive.

Feeona · 04-08-2011 05:46PM

jester77 wrote: »

Let the kids suffer because the teachers won't take a cut.

salonfire wrote: »

You say the Public Service has taken a 20% pay cut. So what?
Why to you remind us of this so regularly?

Maybe because comments like the one in bold are bandied about with gay abandon?

Feeona · 04-08-2011 05:49PM

cosmicfart wrote: »

You're all backwards here. I was 13 when I joined secondary school, THIRTEENTH, a feckin kid, I had just moved to a new area were i knew no-one, first day in new school failed entrance exam and got shoved in the messers class from which I 'made new friends'. the teachers, all of them had the opinion that anyone in this messers class was just a useless prat not worthy of opening a book and trying to teach too. Im sure their a plenty of similar examples of this right to this day, infact im positive.

It's your choice if you want to think this way, but it's a choice that'll always hold you back.

EDIT : The exact same happened to me. I moved from the country to the town when I was thirteen, and it wasn't under the best of circumstances. I knew no-one, I hated secondary school and couldn't wait to leave. There were teachers I didn't get on with, but I can look back now and realise that I had to work with them for them to work with me. So many doors have opened up to me since I took responsibility for my own actions.

BEASTERLY · 04-08-2011 05:52PM

Lets look at this realisticly.

The average teacher works 22hrs a week

thats less half the norm.

They work 7 months of the year. Work it out and you'll see thats about 1/4 the amount of hours per year than the norm.

A starting salary of 27000 would be very high even in a full time job. But let's be nice, well keep 27,000 as a normal starting salary.

A teachers works a quarter of the amount of hours than people in the real world those so that means the starting salary should be 27000 divided by 4 and you get 6,850. Now thats a fair salary.

The fact that they get paid any more than this is a disgrace.

This is starting hourly wage of around €45 per hour :O. Now imagine the ones that have been there for a while!

Complaining about cuts when they get paid 4 times the amount they should anyway makes teachers show how greedy, childish and selfish they are, ye are ALL an absaloute disgrace. Get real will ye!!!!

cosmicfart · 04-08-2011 05:53PM

Feeona wrote: »

It's your choice if you want to think that way, but it's a choice that'll always hold you back.

The isnt Pepsi the choice of a new generation and my choice as you put it is suppose to be put in the hands of capable people in school who are suppose to mould the next generation workforce.

TheZohanS · 04-08-2011 05:55PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Lets look at this realisticly.

The average teacher works 22hrs a week thats less half the norm.

They work 7 months of the year. Work it out and you'll see thats about 1/4 the amount of hours per year than the norm.

A starting salary of 27000 would be very high even in a full time job. But let's be nice, well keep 27,000 as a normal starting salary.

A teachers works a quarter of the amount of hours than people in the real world those so that means the starting salary should be 27000 divided by 4 and you get 6,850. Now thats a fair salary.

The fact that they get paid any more than this is a disgrace.

Complaining about cuts when they get paid 4 times the amount they should anyway makes teachers show how greedy, childish and selfish they are, ye are ALL an absaloute disgrace. Get real will ye!!!!

You forgot the other 12 hours they work after school putting a big red correct mark on the kids copies. 'tis all hard graft for the poor mites.

ILikeBananas · 04-08-2011 05:58PM

I wish I was a teacher

Blondini · 04-08-2011 05:59PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Lets look at this realisticly.

The average teacher works 22hrs a week thats less half the norm.

They work 7 months of the year. Work it out and you'll see thats about 1/4 the amount of hours per year than the norm.

A starting salary of 27000 would be very high even in a full time job. But let's be nice, well keep 27,000 as a normal starting salary.

A teachers works a quarter of the amount of hours than people in the real world those so that means the starting salary should be 27000 divided by 4 and you get 6,850. Now thats a fair salary.

The fact that they get paid any more than this is a disgrace.

Complaining about cuts when they get paid 4 times the amount they should anyway makes teachers show how greedy, childish and selfish they are, ye are ALL an absaloute disgrace. Get real will ye!!!!

So you want to pay them less than the current annual dole right?

27000/4 is 6,750 by the way.

Clever Post.

TheDriver · 04-08-2011 06:00PM

and its such an easy job, so relaxed, so boring with nothing to do all day everyday. With no pay cut (which is wrong, we all took a pay cut).

So I can also see why everyone here complaining about Teachers having an easy life all wanted to become one.
Give it a try some day lads, try standing on front of 30 teenagers keeping them occupied and interested, all with different parenting, all acting differently.
Then lets see ye come on here and give out...........

04-08-2011 06:01PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Lets look at this realisticly.

The average teacher works 22hrs a week thats less half the norm.

They work 7 months of the year. Work it out and you'll see thats about 1/4 the amount of hours per year than the norm.

A starting salary of 27000 would be very high even in a full time job. But let's be nice, well keep 27,000 as a normal starting salary.

A teachers works a quarter of the amount of hours than people in the real world those so that means the starting salary should be 27000 divided by 4 and you get 6,850. Now thats a fair salary.

The fact that they get paid any more than this is a disgrace.

Complaining about cuts when they get paid 4 times the amount they should anyway makes teachers show how greedy, childish and selfish they are, ye are ALL an absaloute disgrace. Get real will ye!!!!

To be fair, I wouldn't say €27000 is a great salary for new teachers now.

Take away tax, and pension contributions, take home pay wouldn't be that fantastic.

The real steal is those higher up the pay scale, teachers who dossed for the past 20 years pulling €50000 - €60000, and who are so entrenched wouldn't give up an inch if they got away with it.

Feeona · 04-08-2011 06:03PM

cosmicfart wrote: »

The isnt Pepsi the choice of a new generation and my choice as you put it is suppose to be put in the hands of capable people in school who are suppose to mould the next generation workforce.

It's sad that you don't think you have a choice on how you view your past.

BEASTERLY · 04-08-2011 06:03PM

Blondini wrote: »

So you want to pay them less than the current annual dole right?

Thats what happens when you choose the work a part time job, which effectively they have.

BEASTERLY · 04-08-2011 06:05PM

salonfire wrote: »

To be fair, I wouldn't say €27000 is a great salary for new teachers now.

Take away tax, and pension contributions, take home pay wouldn't be that fantastic.

The real steal is those higher up the pay scale, teachers who dossed for the past 20 years pulling €50000 - €60000, and who are so entrenched wouldn't give up an inch if they got away with it.

Even when they only work a quarter the amount of hours as most other people?

Feeona · 04-08-2011 06:06PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Thats what happens when you choose the work a part time job, which effectively they have.

Do you have links for that? And I also want links for work done outside of teaching hours.

Feeona · 04-08-2011 06:07PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Even when they only work a quarter the amount of hours as most other people?

Proof?

Links?

Troll?

04-08-2011 06:10PM

Teacher bashing in AH is getting extremely tiresome. You have people coming in here who have no idea what its like to teach or how much work it really involves looking for them to take a further reduction in a wage that has already been cut with levies etc in the last while. They are not even well paid to start off with.

Then again a lot of people are as thick as the wall and just believe what they want and jump on the anti teacher/public servant bandwagon despite having absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

BEASTERLY · 04-08-2011 06:10PM

Feeona wrote: »

Proof?

Links?

Troll?

The working week of a secondary teacher is 22 hours a week. Then take the holidays away from the 52 weeks in a year. Dont be so lazy, why do need everything handed to you? Oh let me guess, you are a teacher!

Feeona · 04-08-2011 06:11PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

The working week of a secondary teacher is 22 hours a week. Then take the holidays away from the 52 weeks in a year. Dont be so lazy, why do need everything handed to you? Oh let me guess, you are a teacher!

I'm waiting for a link, not your opinion. Back your facts up, otherwise I'll assume you're talking bullsh*t

04-08-2011 06:12PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

The working week of a secondary teacher is 22 hours a week. Then take the holidays away from the 52 weeks in a year. Dont be so lazy, why do need everything handed to you? Oh let me guess, you are a teacher!

and if its so great why didn't you become one? You wouldn't be capable is my guess.

BEASTERLY · 04-08-2011 06:12PM

Samir Scrawny Shelf wrote: »

Teacher bashing in AH is getting extremely tiresome. You have people coming in here who have no idea what its like to teach or how much work it really involves looking for them to take a further reduction in a wage that has already been cut with levies etc in the last while. They are not even well paid to start off with.

:eek:WTF! Most teacher pull over €50 euro an hour, not well paid? Once again a teacher comes into defend themselves a proves everybodies point!

Feeona · 04-08-2011 06:13PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

:eek:WTF! Most teacher pull over €50 euro an hour, not well paid? Once again a teacher comes into defend themselves a proves everybodies point!

Link?

BEASTERLY · 04-08-2011 06:15PM

Samir Scrawny Shelf wrote: »

and if its so great why didn't you become one? You wouldn't be capable is my guess.

Actually I got 570 in my leaving. I considered it but i really didnt feel comfortable with the money they pull, i wouldnt feel right, takin that much money off the taxpayer for doing **** all really.

Uriel. · 04-08-2011 06:16PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Feeona wrote: »

Proof?

Links?

Troll?

The working week of a secondary teacher is 22 hours a week. Then take the holidays away from the 52 weeks in a year. Dont be so lazy, why do need everything handed to you? Oh let me guess, you are a teacher!

Prove the 22 hours a week crap you've posted.

When o was in secondary school, there's no way in hell my teachers did 22 hours a week.

From what I remember teachers had class prep, corrections etc after the normal 4 o'clock "finish" and in fairness to three of my teachers they did a 2hr extra class voluntarily in 5th and 6th yr in the evenings once a week and in 6th year on a rota basis, provided supervised study 5 nights a week (not for extra money) for about 3 hours

BEASTERLY · 04-08-2011 06:18PM

Feeona wrote: »

Link?

Not everything is on the internet, do the maths for yourself will ya!

Feeona · 04-08-2011 06:20PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Not everything is on the internet, do the maths for yourself will ya!

That's ok, I have my proof that you are indeed talking bullsh*t.

Have a lovely evening

04-08-2011 06:20PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

:eek:WTF! Most teacher pull over €50 euro an hour, not well paid? Once again a teacher comes into defend themselves a proves everybodies point!

I'm not a teacher, it never interested me. Money is not good enough and I have seen first hand from family members who are teachers how hard the job really is and how much work out of hours it involves with correcting, meeting parents, dealing with problem students etc.

Uriel. · 04-08-2011 06:20PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Samir Scrawny Shelf wrote: »

and if its so great why didn't you become one? You wouldn't be capable is my guess.

Actually I got 570 in my leaving. I considered it but i really didnt feel comfortable with the money they pull, i wouldnt feel right, takin that much money off the taxpayer for doing **** all really.

Complete horse sh1te. I'd say you did alright.

I'm not a teacher and some teachers (as well as other sectors of the PS) deserve some of the criticism pointed their direction but I cringe when I see posters like you post such drivelling manure for the sake of saying something "cool"

BEASTERLY · 04-08-2011 06:24PM

Feeona wrote: »

That's ok, I have my proof that you are indeed talking bullsh*t.

Have a lovely evening

Ignorance is bliss!

Public sector going backwards again.

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