Gardai acquitted....

wicklowstevo · 02-08-2011 08:05PM

jury pool is from people who are registered to vote in that area , so gaffneys peers , a jury of north inner city people decided they were innocent, and you can be sure that if any one intimidated them it was from the proscution side , the gardai were wrong probley yes but seems like the people of dublin support the gardai rather than a little scumbag, scumbag = person who uses thugish behaviour and lies to attack someone, ie a criminal

MagicSean · 02-08-2011 08:15PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

jury pool is from people who are registered to vote in that area , so gaffneys peers , a jury of north inner city people decided they were innocent, and you can be sure that if any one intimidated them it was from the proscution side , the gardai were wrong probley yes but seems like the people of dublin support the gardai rather than a little scumbag, scumbag = person who uses thugish behaviour and lies to attack someone, ie a criminal

I wouldn't say they support the Gardaí. They accepted their version of events and their legal justification for their actions.

wicklowstevo · 02-08-2011 08:27PM

irish people are so opionated that no one is capable of totally supporting anyone or thing other than themselfs anymore , everyone has gotten to selfish , its no longer about whats good for every one only whats good for me,
the gardai were wrong and did a very stupid thing but to be honest i am suprised but very pleased with the jury and i think that they did a fine job, and they should be thanked by everyone for thier service to the state and the city of dublin

k.p.h · 02-08-2011 08:43PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Holy F*CK people like you piss me off. Jesus Christ.
Justice is perscribed by THE LAW. There is NO excuse EVER for EXTRA JUDICIAL PUNISHMENT.

It's a bit more complicated than that. You are right from a moral standpoint but the law FAILS far too often for your statement to be true. I wish it was, but it's not

AskMyChocolate · 02-08-2011 08:55PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

That kind of tells me the kind of person I am dealing with here.

Well you have fooled me on that passage there, haven't a breeze what it's context is.

And what kind of person would that be? The kind of person who doesn't like two-faced, gutless, valueless little windbags?

I guess I don't like that sort of person. Give me a Garda-lover or a Garda-hater any day of the week, over a self-righteous pontificating little cnut too spineless to take his own side in an argument.

Now where would I find one of those Flutt?

Fancy some KFC buddy?;)

hatrickpatrick · 02-08-2011 10:27PM

k.p.h wrote: »

It's a bit more complicated than that. You are right from a moral standpoint but the law FAILS far too often for your statement to be true. I wish it was, but it's not

It doesn't matter. There is absolutely no excuse for cold blooded physical violence. Ever.

end a eknny · 02-08-2011 10:30PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

jury pool is from people who are registered to vote in that area , so gaffneys peers , a jury of north inner city people decided they were innocent, and you can be sure that if any one intimidated them it was from the proscution side , the gardai were wrong probley yes but seems like the people of dublin support the gardai rather than a little scumbag, scumbag = person who uses thugish behaviour and lies to attack someone, ie a criminal

and you wouldnt call attacking somebody in their bed with weapons roughing up their mother and lying in court and threatening witnesses thuggish behaviour

tayto lover · 02-08-2011 11:45PM

end a eknny wrote: »

and you wouldnt call attacking somebody in their bed with weapons roughing up their mother and lying in court and threatening witnesses thuggish behaviour

If you have evidence of that then go to the Garda Ombudsman.
If you have not then you are again posting tripe.

Bosco boy · 03-08-2011 12:08AM

end a eknny wrote: »

wicklowstevo wrote: »

jury pool is from people who are registered to vote in that area , so gaffneys peers , a jury of north inner city people decided they were innocent, and you can be sure that if any one intimidated them it was from the proscution side , the gardai were wrong probley yes but seems like the people of dublin support the gardai rather than a little scumbag, scumbag = person who uses thugish behaviour and lies to attack someone, ie a criminal

and you wouldnt call attacking somebody in their bed with weapons roughing up their mother and lying in court and threatening witnesses thuggish behaviour

a jury saw it differently, they listened to the evidence, you are guided by your predjuices, thankfully they count and you don't!

MagicSean · 03-08-2011 12:35AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It doesn't matter. There is absolutely no excuse for cold blooded physical violence. Ever.

That's a very naive view of the world.

neveah · 03-08-2011 12:43AM

What's interesting here is that the majority of posters seem to think that it was ok what the Guards in Dublin did as the victim was a scumbag with a string of convictions.

At the same time an assault trial is ongoing in Waterford where as far as I'm aware the victim was not known to Gardai and had no previous convictions. It'll be interesting when we get the verdict on that trial what people will say.....

Einhard · 03-08-2011 12:47AM

Jesus Vamps, don't they have multi-quoting in Kilmainham??

Bosco boy wrote: »

A jury of our peers have made their decision based on the evidence presented in court, tough sh1te if you don't like it!

Right so, I expect that whenever a judge or jury lets a little scumbag go free, or imposes a ridiculously light sentence for a serious crime, you'll be in here telling us we have no right to question the system, or the decisions therein.

Bosco boy wrote: »

a jury saw it differently, they listened to the evidence, you are guided by your predjuices, thankfully they count and you don't!

I think it's fair to say that the people here going on about "scumbags" and "scrotes", and how they deserve their extra-judicial punishments, and how the Gardai should be allowed to administer same to citizens as they see fit, are fairly prejudiced too. Seeing as juries are selected from the general population, I don't think it's unwarranted to speculate that this particular 12 shared much of the same prejudice, and that it influenced their decision.

Bosco boy · 03-08-2011 10:34AM

Einhard wrote: »

Jesus Vamps, don't they have multi-quoting in Kilmainham??

Bosco boy wrote: »

A jury of our peers have made their decision based on the evidence presented in court, tough sh1te if you don't like it!

Right so, I expect that whenever a judge or jury lets a little scumbag go free, or imposes a ridiculously light sentence for a serious crime, you'll be in here telling us we have no right to question the system, or the decisions therein.

Bosco boy wrote: »

a jury saw it differently, they listened to the evidence, you are guided by your predjuices, thankfully they count and you don't!

I think it's fair to say that the people here going on about "scumbags" and "scrotes", and how they deserve their extra-judicial punishments, and how the Gardai should be allowed to administer same to citizens as they see fit, are fairly prejudiced too. Seeing as juries are selected from the general population, I don't think it's unwarranted to speculate that this particular 12 shared much of the same prejudice, and that it influenced their decision.

you know nothing of this jury, they are a random selection of society, they didn't see it your way but remember they heard the whole evidence and legal arguemt you didn't. You have the cheek to call them predjuiced and you didn't hear a single word of what was said in court. I might not always agree with jury decisions but I respect that they heard all the evidence, my problem with the courts is nearly always with judges who are far too leniant and out of touch with reality.

tayto lover · 03-08-2011 11:17AM

neveah wrote: »

What's interesting here is that the majority of posters seem to think that it was ok what the Guards in Dublin did as the victim was a scumbag with a string of convictions.

At the same time an assault trial is ongoing in Waterford where as far as I'm aware the victim was not known to Gardai and had no previous convictions. It'll be interesting when we get the verdict on that trial what people will say.....

It is never right for the Gardai to beat up anyone except in self-defence. But the court found them "not guilty". I would not like to see guilty people get off whatever the reason but in that case the jury decided and we have to respect that decision. If the Gardai are found guilty in the Waterford case i will not defend them as they will have been proved guilty and must take the consequences.
The problem i have with threads like this is that there are always the same gang of Garda-bashers who refuse to believe or accept anything other than the verdict they want to see. The Gardai are always guilty in their eyes because they obviously had a previous run-in with them or were caught for something and can't take it. Same old heads all the time.

0O7 · 03-08-2011 06:27PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It doesn't matter. There is absolutely no excuse for cold blooded physical violence. Ever.

Of course there is... why would gardai be given battons and pepper spray??

there are tons of situations where its acceptable to use phusical violence?
self defence?? to arrest somebody who is resisting?? to prevent somebody from escaping??? to protect public safety / government property???

People dont understand that alot of the time police forces have no choice to but use physical force / violence.

"put your hands behind your back"
"**** off, make me?"
"o please sir, im not allowed to use force to make you comply"...

archer22 · 03-08-2011 08:42PM

0O7 wrote: »

Of course there is... why would gardai be given battons and pepper spray??

there are tons of situations where its acceptable to use phusical violence?
self defence?? to arrest somebody who is resisting?? to prevent somebody from escaping??? to protect public safety / government property???

People dont understand that alot of the time police forces have no choice to but use physical force / violence.

"put your hands behind your back"
"**** off, make me?"
"o please sir, im not allowed to use force to make you comply"...

Do the public also have a right of self defence when confronted with out of control thug Gardai

Dangerous Man · 03-08-2011 08:55PM

Veles wrote: »

"grabs popcorn"
Awaits some good ol' fashioned garda bashing!

Is this what you mean by Garda bashing?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0803/breaking55.html

end a eknny · 03-08-2011 10:38PM

tayto lover wrote: »

It is never right for the Gardai to beat up anyone except in self-defence. But the court found them "not guilty". I would not like to see guilty people get off whatever the reason but in that case the jury decided and we have to respect that decision. If the Gardai are found guilty in the Waterford case i will not defend them as they will have been proved guilty and must take the consequences.
The problem i have with threads like this is that there are always the same gang of Garda-bashers who refuse to believe or accept anything other than the verdict they want to see. The Gardai are always guilty in their eyes because they obviously had a previous run-in with them or were caught for something and can't take it. Same old heads all the time.

and its always the same old heads defending them. with the same old bull oh you must have been caught what did you do crap. well maybe they like me they have never been caught. but may have expierence of how the gardai operate (or dont usually) or maybe just dismayed at the lack of intelligence, or curtesy shown to the general public by many of the boys and girls in blue.the court system is crap whether its dealing with scumbags or gardai and as has been already shown in other cases gardai will rarely get a custodial sentence (due to the hardship). so those who are employed to uphold the law or free to break it with the knowledge that they will be unlikely to face trial, if they do they wont be convicted and if they are they wont to any time. great.......

FlutterinBantam · 03-08-2011 10:42PM

end a eknny wrote: »

and its always the same old heads defending them. with the same old bull oh you must have been caught what did you do crap. well maybe they like me they have never been caught. but may have expierence of how the gardai operate (or dont usually) or maybe just dismayed at the lack of intelligence, or curtesy shown to the general public by many of the boys and girls in blue.the court system is crap whether its dealing with scumbags or gardai and as has been already shown in other cases gardai will rarely get a custodial sentence (due to the hardship). so those who are employed to uphold the law or free to break it with the knowledge that they will be unlikely to face trial, if they do they wont be convicted and if they are they wont to any time. great.......

Always the same auld heads outside the Courthouse.

gelled hair, the frown on the forehead, suckin' on the tab.

Track suited fcukers dancing around like cats on hot coals, in a hurry to nowhere.

Always the same:rolleyes:

tayto lover · 03-08-2011 10:54PM

end a eknny wrote: »

and its always the same old heads defending them. with the same old bull oh you must have been caught what did you do crap. well maybe they like me they have never been caught. but may have expierence of how the gardai operate (or dont usually) or maybe just dismayed at the lack of intelligence, or curtesy shown to the general public by many of the boys and girls in blue.the court system is crap whether its dealing with scumbags or gardai and as has been already shown in other cases gardai will rarely get a custodial sentence (due to the hardship). so those who are employed to uphold the law or free to break it with the knowledge that they will be unlikely to face trial, if they do they wont be convicted and if they are they wont to any time. great.......

Try not to let it consume you. I think you should stay away from this kind of thread for awhile, seriously. They seem to be making you very angry. Things always even out in the long run. I don't like to see people being beaten up either, Gardai or criminal BUT the jury has a right to decide on guilt and made their judgement and we all have to get along with this.

Paparazzo · 03-08-2011 11:37PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Always the same auld heads outside the Courthouse.

gelled hair, the frown on the forehead, suckin' on the tab.

Track suited fcukers dancing around like cats on hot coals, in a hurry to nowhere.

Always the same:rolleyes:

The thing is, back in the 50's and 60's lugs brannigan used to go around Dublin and just beat the shíte out of anyone that looked like a trouble maker. Don't want to go back to that type of policing! My da was saying if you had long hair in the 60's and lugs brannigan came along, chances are you'd get beaten up. Just walking by him doing nothing!

discus · 04-08-2011 01:48AM

Master of Nothing wrote: »

And the Gardaí wonder why they are hated so much:rolleyes:

I was told about this the day it happened, by someone who knows the lad that got the shit kicked out of him in the flat. It grinds my gears knowing that the supposed upholders of the law get away with brutality yet again, and the jury having an emotional response to any part of the trial should render the verdict null and void no?

I can see a re-trial happening in this case, hopefully justice will be served unlike today.

Ironic.... while we're on the subject of emotion responses blurring our ability to make rightful insights into what happened...!!

Show Time · 04-08-2011 01:51AM

He was only a durt bird so nothing wrong with him and the likes of him getting a few slaps if it keeps him a quite boy.

log22 · 04-08-2011 02:10AM

there guards there above the law and whatever they say is always right

end a eknny · 04-08-2011 08:57AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Try not to let it consume you. I think you should stay away from this kind of thread for awhile, seriously. They seem to be making you very angry. Things always even out in the long run. I don't like to see people being beaten up either, Gardai or criminal BUT the jury has a right to decide on guilt and made their judgement and we all have to get along with this.

do the words pot and kettle mean anything to you. out of curiosty is tayto some sort of euphimism for garda

Bosco boy · 04-08-2011 09:06AM

end a eknny wrote: »

tayto lover wrote: »

Try not to let it consume you. I think you should stay away from this kind of thread for awhile, seriously. They seem to be making you very angry. Things always even out in the long run. I don't like to see people being beaten up either, Gardai or criminal BUT the jury has a right to decide on guilt and made their judgement and we all have to get along with this.

do the words pot and kettle mean anything to you. out of curiosty is tayto some sort of euphimism for garda

do the words "chip" and "shoulder" mean anything to you? Get over it pal, your great crack all the same!

end a eknny · 04-08-2011 11:21AM

Bosco boy wrote: »

do the words "chip" and "shoulder" mean anything to you? Get over it pal, your great crack all the same!

wish i could say the same

tayto lover · 04-08-2011 11:52AM

end a eknny wrote: »

do the words pot and kettle mean anything to you. out of curiosty is tayto some sort of euphimism for garda

end a. kenny,

I will ignore your sarcastic remark and put it down to trauma.
I have already said that the jury are the ones who decided the case and we have to go with that. You seem to be looking for revenge for something and any Garda will do. Pity that as its distressing you it seems.
You might have better luck soon in the Waterford case. Who knows ?

P.S. is kenny some sort of euphemism for Garda ? Hope not.

tayto lover · 05-08-2011 09:57PM

There you go now end a. kenny you got your wish today with two Gardai being found guilty. I told you that anyone who assaults without justification will be dealt with fairly by the courts and jury system.

archer22 · 06-08-2011 03:16PM

tayto lover wrote: »

There you go now end a. kenny you got your wish today with two Gardai being found guilty. I told you that anyone who assaults without justification will be dealt with fairly by the courts and jury system.

Hold your Horses...we havent seen what the "punishment" will be yet.But congrats to the jury,good to see that there are still a few people brave enough to stand up to the states Goons and thugs.

Gardai acquitted....

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