Do you see a future for yourself, family, potential family in Ireland?

CommuterIE · 03-08-2011 10:32PM #1

Do you see a future for yourself, family, potential family in Ireland?

I don't really for myself, never mind potential family

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 03-08-2011 10:34PM

Yes, 100 lottery tickets please!

Superbus · 03-08-2011 10:34PM

Sure.

My American great-great-great-great-great grandson will come to Dublin on vacation in however long claiming to be Irish.

leeroybrown · 03-08-2011 10:34PM

In the long term yes, but not in the short to medium term. I can see myself leaving the country at some stage and coming back eventually.

Mickjg · 03-08-2011 10:34PM

I moved stateside last year and to be honest I don't really see a future for me there. I loved living in Ireland, and there's plenty of things I miss but not enough to bring me home. I feel that the scumbag element is just so off putting and there's no future there in my career.

I went back for a two week holiday, had a nice time but was happy to be leaving.

PseudoFamous · 03-08-2011 10:36PM

Pshht, you're all just miserable and not sending out enough CVs if you don't. Stop being so pessimistic.

CommuterIE · 03-08-2011 10:37PM

We are staring at least two decades of stagnation and depression... 70's and 80's basically, its sad but true... taxes will only go up, social welfare will go down, the only viable place to get is out of here

T2daK · 03-08-2011 10:38PM

if the ra can get away with robbing post offices I don't see why I can't guarantee my kids a future.

D1stant · 03-08-2011 10:38PM

No, but sure I'll just stay here until I starve to death

On the upside, I get to moan with you chuckleheads every day till then:)

galwayrush · 03-08-2011 10:38PM

Only if i win the lotto or inherit a lot of money.

mackg · 03-08-2011 10:40PM

I'll leave but....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ypn0y32Ac

CommuterIE · 03-08-2011 10:40PM

T2daK wrote: »

if the ra can get away with robbing post offices I don't see why I can't guarantee my kids a future.

Sure how could you gaurantee them anything?? Unemployment is @ 15% nearly, and trust me, it will hit 20% in the coming years, our problems haven't even started!!!! thanks to governments not putting proper austerity in NOW!

easyeason3 · 03-08-2011 10:41PM

I don't really have a choice but to be optimistic due to the mortgage I have to pay.

I don't have any kids at the moment, the recession won't stop me having kids but it will certainly limit the amount I have.

parker kent · 03-08-2011 10:44PM

Life goes on. Ireland didn't die out in the 80s, we'll still exist in 10 years and I'm sure people will still be riding and having kids.

A lot of recession chat is needlessly dramatic.

PseudoFamous · 03-08-2011 10:44PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

Sure how could you gaurantee them anything?? Unemployment is @ 15% nearly, and trust me, it will hit 20% in the coming years, our problems haven't even started!!!! thanks to governments not putting proper austerity in NOW!

Your sensationalist statements, excessive exclamation and question marks, and random capitalisation would lead me to believe you could possibly have a future with The Sun.

johnnyskeleton · 03-08-2011 10:45PM

Where else would we go?

Cavehill Red · 03-08-2011 10:46PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

We are staring at least two decades of stagnation and depression... 70's and 80's basically, its sad but true... taxes will only go up, social welfare will go down, the only viable place to get is out of here

This.

When everyone's completed their education in Ireland (soon enough, thank God), we'll be off.

I love this country and its people. but collectively not enough people listened when there were warnings of a housing bubble, collectively we kept electing Ahern and his posse of crooks repeatedly, collectively permitted Lenihan to hand over our future earnings to foreign banksters, and are collectively, docilely accepting every rod prepared for our back.

I am proud to be Irish, but being Irish now means the same it meant for so long - having to leave to have a future because you're not part of a tiny golden circle for whose sole benefit this country is corruptly run.

And while I'm proud to be Irish, I will say this - right now I'd be a damn sight prouder to be Icelandic or Greek. At least they stood up and said no to having their future wealth robbed from them.

Oh_Noes · 03-08-2011 10:47PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

We are staring at least two decades of stagnation and depression... 70's and 80's basically, its sad but true... taxes will only go up, social welfare will go down, the only viable place to get is out of here

I remember growing up in the '80s which was the same kind of deal. My parents could have moved to England but I'm delighted they didn't, we had a happy life here and I don't regret it in the slightest.

I'd love to live here for the rest of my life. Money isn't everything.

Resi12 · 03-08-2011 10:47PM

No, no great resources at all here for much I am interested in unfortunately.

T2daK · 03-08-2011 10:49PM

CommuterIE wrote: »

Sure how could you gaurantee them anything?? Unemployment is @ 15% nearly, and trust me, it will hit 20% in the coming years, our problems haven't even started!!!! thanks to governments not putting proper austerity in NOW!

because i'll rob enough money to last generations....oops ireland has non to rob. we're ****ED

blackdog2 · 03-08-2011 10:49PM

Nope, getting my education here and then upping sticks

parker kent · 03-08-2011 10:49PM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

When everyone's completed their education in Ireland (soon enough, thank God), we'll be off.

This is an example of the needlessly dramatic as I mentioned earlier. Everyone won't be leaving. Sure some will, but obviously everybody won't leave.

I say this as a recent graduate too, so I can't be accused of being out of touch with students.

pragmatic1 · 03-08-2011 10:51PM

All my family live in Ireland and a good lot of friends. Its where I grew up so naturally I have a strong affinity to the place. Dont care if I have to go back to living off the land. Staying put.

Cavehill Red · 03-08-2011 10:54PM

parker kent wrote: »

This is an example of the needlessly dramatic as I mentioned earlier. Everyone won't be leaving. Sure some will, but obviously everybody won't leave.

I say this as a recent graduate too, so I can't be accused of being out of touch with students.

You've misread what I wrote. I was referring to everyone in my house. We'll all be off as soon as the last one completes their education.
So easy on the misplaced allegations of sensationalism. I've no doubt that plenty of people will stay and sign up for two decades of pointless impoverishment. People stayed in this place through worse times before (1840s, for example.)
That doesn't make it sensible in general for people to do so, though many are trapped here financially for many years even if they wished to leave.
Those who do leave are the ones you'd most wish would stay - the self-starters, the young and well-educated, the entrepreneurs, those keen to achieve.
Farmers will stay (and likely suffer). So will the third generation doleys. So will the golden circle of course. And when all's said and done, they'll be the only cohort for whom it makes sense to stay.

pragmatic1 · 03-08-2011 10:58PM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

You've misread what I wrote. I was referring to everyone in my house. We'll all be off as soon as the last one completes their education.
So easy on the misplaced allegations of sensationalism. I've no doubt that plenty of people will stay and sign up for two decades of pointless impoverishment. People stayed in this place through worse times before (1840s, for example.)
That doesn't make it sensible in general for people to do so, though many are trapped here financially for many years even if they wished to leave.
Those who do leave are the ones you'd most wish would stay - the self-starters, the young and well-educated, the entrepreneurs, those keen to achieve.
Farmers will stay (and likely suffer). So will the third generation doleys. So will the golden circle of course. And when all's said and done, they'll be the only cohort for whom it makes sense to stay.

Not really. Actually loads of jobs in IT, science and engineering.

Teyla Emmagan · 03-08-2011 11:00PM

I don't want to be anywhere else to be honest. I've lived in a few other places, but there's no place like home.

Right now I can keep up with the bills and I hope to have kids in the future. My family are here, and I want to raise any children I might have to be Irish, and in the place I grew up myself. I believe in this country, I would hate to be anywhere else, even if the quality of life was better.

D1stant · 03-08-2011 11:03PM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

You've misread what I wrote. I was referring to everyone in my house. We'll all be off as soon as the last one completes their education.
So easy on the misplaced allegations of sensationalism. I've no doubt that plenty of people will stay and sign up for two decades of pointless impoverishment. People stayed in this place through worse times before (1840s, for example.)
That doesn't make it sensible in general for people to do so, though many are trapped here financially for many years even if they wished to leave.
Those who do leave are the ones you'd most wish would stay - the self-starters, the young and well-educated, the entrepreneurs, those keen to achieve.
Farmers will stay (and likely suffer). So will the third generation doleys. So will the golden circle of course. And when all's said and done, they'll be the only cohort for whom it makes sense to stay.

You kind of miswrote what he read

Bon Voyage

Noo · 03-08-2011 11:04PM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Not really. Actually loads of jobs in IT, science and engineering.

Only speaking as a graduate of the above. There are no jobs for graduates in engineering, hence the point being made that it is the young and educated leaving. I'm motivated to currently work 9-5:30 mon-fri for free but i'm emigrating in january.

parker kent · 03-08-2011 11:05PM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

You've misread what I wrote. I was referring to everyone in my house. We'll all be off as soon as the last one completes their education.
So easy on the misplaced allegations of sensationalism. I've no doubt that plenty of people will stay and sign up for two decades of pointless impoverishment. People stayed in this place through worse times before (1840s, for example.)

You said:

When everyone's completed their education in Ireland (soon enough, thank God), we'll be off.

That does not mention your housemates. Saying they are misplaced allegations of sensationalism and then following that up with bull about "two decades of pointless impoverishment" is sensational wouldn't you say? Unless you have access to a crystal ball and are 100% positive that all the people staying are signing up for such a dramatic outcome?

Cavehill Red · 03-08-2011 11:08PM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Not really. Actually loads of jobs in IT, science and engineering.

Many of the jobs in IT require foreign languages, I note from employment websites. Which suggests to me that they may be call centre-related. In any case, they tend to go to foreign nationals.
And while we do have a useful IT business infrastructure here, I would fear that it could transpire to be as mobile as the former computer manufacturing industry here was. In my experience, many IT entrepreneurs I'm aware of have already headed for Calif or London.
I couldn't comment on science except, again, anecdotally. Of all the recent science graduates I know, which is admittedly not too many, only one is employed and that in the public sector in an unrelated employment field. The rest are unemployed, in further education or abroad. I've heard of post-doc lab positions for 25K, which is hardly going to entice people to remain here.
There may well be jobs in engineering, but it would seem to me that the downturn of construction projects will have an adverse affect there too.
I hope you understand, I'm not trying to rubbish what you're saying. Of course Ireland is not the Horn of Africa. But our economy has been effectively destroyed for a long time to come, and that has knock-on effects in terms of living standards, infrastructure, employment prospects and a lot of other things that people might wish to have in their lives. And seeking those things, those people will inevitably move abroad.

parker kent · 03-08-2011 11:12PM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Those who do leave are the ones you'd most wish would stay - the self-starters, the young and well-educated, the entrepreneurs, those keen to achieve.

Farmers will stay (and likely suffer). So will the third generation doleys. So will the golden circle of course. And when all's said and done, they'll be the only cohort for whom it makes sense to stay.

Also this is a load of nonsense. I'm staying and I'm not a farmer or in a golden circle. I'm not a third generation "doley". I have a degree and 2 masters, I'm pretty well educated. I could freely travel elsewhere if I so wished. But I want to live in Ireland and I'm getting that opportunity.

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