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Out of Control Children in Restaurants / Public Places

  • 02-08-2011 02:40PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    One of my biggest pet peeves is parents who refuse to tell their children to sit down and stop running around screaming when they are in public places such as restaurants. Just the other day i was in a hotel having dinner and a table in the middle of the bar had two kids probably 4 and 2 and the two parents at it, now the whole time i was there the kids weren't sitting down at any stage they were in the middle of the floor chasing each other around and fighting over toys having great fun, getting in everyones way, especially the waiting staff who they ran into at least five times while they were carrying plates full of stuff. The parents just sat there eating and drinking and never once told them to sit down despite the fact that everyone in the place was getting really pi**ed off with the two little s***s!!

    Just wondering if you were to say something would you say it to the children given that they are the annoying liitle brats or the parents for being too lazy and ret**ded to tell them to sit down and shut up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    The problem with kids that age - as you may know if you had any, which i suspect you dont - is that they rarely sit still and can be very hard to get to do so. the fact is you can't lock kids up just because some people are annoyed by kids doing what kids do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭Samich


    feral childrens I tells ya, FERAL CHILDRENS!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    And you can't leave them in the hotel while you pop down for tapas wither.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭stephen_k


    I would probably say nothing to either of them, just sit there tutting and eyerolling, then I would voice my displeasure with a very strongly worded thread in AH on Boards.ie......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 449 ✭✭Emiko




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    donalg1 wrote: »
    One of my biggest pet peeves is parents who refuse to tell their children to sit down and stop running around screaming when they are in public places such as restaurants. Just the other day i was in a hotel having dinner and a table in the middle of the bar had two kids probably 4 and 2 and the two parents at it, now the whole time i was there the kids weren't sitting down at any stage they were in the middle of the floor chasing each other around and fighting over toys having great fun, getting in everyones way, especially the waiting staff who they ran into at least five times while they were carrying plates full of stuff. The parents just sat there eating and drinking and never once told them to sit down despite the fact that everyone in the place was getting really pi**ed off with the two little s***s!!

    Just wondering if you were to say something would you say it to the children given that they are the annoying liitle brats or the parents for being too lazy and ret**ded to tell them to sit down and shut up.
    I take it you have no idea that kids have minds of their own and cannot be programmed to behave.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    The problem with kids that age is the parents have never disciplined them or have never even tried too. I dont have kids but i do have nieces and nephews and they never behave like that because they know if they do they would get in trouble, when they are in a restaurant or cafe they sit down and eat their food and you wouldnt know they were even there. There were a lot more kids in the place the other night too which were perfectly behaved its just these two were outta control and the parents werent at all bothered


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    The problem with kids that age - as you may know if you had any, which i suspect you dont - is that they rarely sit still and can be very hard to get to do so. the fact is you can't lock kids up just because some people are annoyed by kids doing what kids do.

    Jesus , the thread only got one post deep before we had the old "unless you have kids you don't know what it's like" response.

    New record?

    To be honest, folk who show absolutely no effort to control their kids get no respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭silly


    Yeah, that kinda bugs me, I remember going to the cinema with my daughter a few yrs back, a movie she was dying to see, and there was a woman there, with a 4/5 yr old boy, who had no interest in the film and screamed throughout, she was physically holding him down as he was trying to get out of his seat. She was asked to keep him quiet but she couldn't, she should have just left instead of ruining it for the packed cinema.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    <insert angry parent rant with token "I bet you would think differently if you had children!" quote>


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    Show Time wrote: »
    I take it you have no idea that kids have minds of their own and cannot be programmed to behave.

    Of course they can be trained to behave. What a load of crap! I'll admit not every child is well-behaved and some are extremely difficult, but the OP is talking about kids whose parents do nothing to even try to get them to behave appropriately in a restaurant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Show Time wrote: »
    I take it you have no idea that kids have minds of their own and cannot be programmed to behave.


    Course they can, i never behaved like that when i was younger because i knew my parents wouldnt let me. Maybe its the parents that can't be programmed to be parents


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,599 ✭✭✭patmac


    Give them a slap that will keep them quiet, (parents or the kids).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    I remember poll axing a kid one time in a bar, didn't see the little fecker ... honestly. Was going up to get a drink, don't know where he came out of but his head & my knee connected. The roars out of him and the mother just looks over at me and just smiles :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    donalg1 wrote: »
    I dont have kids but
    I'm not a racist but...

    Seriously, I'm currently training my rambunctious 1 year old that when in Starbucks and the like to run up to laptop users (Mac users especially) and tip their skinny-choca-moco-frappe-latte-al-capuchino all over the keyboard.

    Of course you yourself were a little angel at that age and sat there like you just OD'ed on Ritalin...or did you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭phill106


    *Inserts the "Well as a parent" phrase*
    If i couldn't get one of my kids to behave within a few minutes, I would call it quits and ask for a doggybag.
    I would get no peace, and no one else around me would, what is the point in staying?
    I don't think this has ever happened to me though, thank god...and the fact that i don't go out much!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    I'm not a racist but...

    Seriously, I'm currently training my rambunctious 1 year old that when in Starbucks and the like to run up to laptop users (Mac users especially) and tip their skinny-choca-moco-frappe-latte-al-capuchino all over the keyboard.

    Of course you yourself were a little angel at that age and sat there like you just OD'ed on Ritalin...or did you?

    Yeah i did and plenty of other children do too. I suppose you are one of these parents then that let their children run riot in a restaurant and run into the waiting staff making them drop their tray onto the child and then you give out to the waiter for not being more careful?!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill


    donalg1 wrote: »
    being too lazy and ret**ded to tell them to sit down and shut up.

    Yes, yes you were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Every chair, high-stool and seat should have a stick/paddle/2x4 discreetly located underneath. For obvious reasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭mydearwatson


    The problem with kids that age - as you may know if you had any, which i suspect you dont - is that they rarely sit still and can be very hard to get to do so. the fact is you can't lock kids up just because some people are annoyed by kids doing what kids do.
    Show Time wrote: »
    I take it you have no idea that kids have minds of their own and cannot be programmed to behave.

    Bullshit.

    If you can't make your child behave in a civilised manner - assuming there are no disabilities/disorders/whatever involved - it's your own failing as a parent.

    It's one of your responsibilities as a parent to train your child to behave in a courteous civilised manner. If your child is acting like a little shit, and annoying other people, it's your own fault, so why not just take responsibility, admit you're being a crap parent, and actually do something about it, instead of pushing the blame onto the kids for "being kids". It's just downright lazy and irresponsible.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Yeah i did and plenty of other children do too. I suppose you are one of these parents then that let their children run riot in a restaurant and run into the waiting staff making them drop their tray onto the child and then you give out to the waiter for not being more careful?!!

    Well, how else are they going to burn off all the energy from the pre-meal chocolate bars and full-fat Coke?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Well, how else are they going to burn off all the energy from the pre-meal chocolate bars and full-fat Coke?

    By messing and running riot at home and not in public. The parents should be neutured and banned from ever having kids again if they cant manage to look after them properly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    donalg1 wrote: »
    By messing and running riot at home and not in public. The parents should be neutured and banned from ever having kids again if they cant manage to look after them properly

    LOL
    Neutered AND Banned? Doesnt the former kind of guarantee things?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    There's a restaurant for letting your kids run wild, it's called McDonalds


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    D1stant wrote: »
    LOL
    Neutered AND Banned? Doesnt the former kind of guarantee things?

    There is always the Auld Reversal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    There was a similar thread on this very subject a few months ago http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056275104 and when I read the following post, it really affected me and it taught me that you have to becareful when making judgements about people and their children.

    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Certain complaints that have made here have been legitimate. Children running amok and going unsupervised in public places is not on. Screaming kids and the like should be removed if at all possible (cinemas, theaters, galleries etc) but sometimes it isn't of course possible to just removed yourself and a child from a situation (doctors or just queuing etc). Also, people bringing children to pubs and restaurants after 7pm should have a bit more cop on, or at the very least, be super aware and keep them on a far tighter leash than they would say if it were 2 or 3pm. As Snyper eluded to earlier, there is a big difference between complaining of children crying and making noise at the cinema at a 1pm screening, than there is of complaining of the same type of behavior at a late night screening. One is understandable, the other is not.



    In saying all that, members of the public can be selfish, narcissistic, sour faced *****, who just will complain at the smallest of things regarding children and what they perceive to be 'bad parenting'. They are everywhere and they are a boil on the arse of humanity. I have been the carer of someone with autism (my sister) for almost 25 years now, since I was a child myself in fact and the kind of stuff that has been leveled at me by so called adults, has been nothing short of disgusting. Rolled eyes would be a Christmas present compared to the crap that we've dealt with while out in public places trying to live our lives. When I was younger I used to snap back, but you eventually get thick skinned, otherwise you'd be fighting with morons all day everyday.



    You may think that my situation is different to that which is being discussed here, but it isn't and the reason for that is because people do not know that my sister has autism, as she looks just looks just like anybody else (as many kids/adults with autism do in fact). Even today, as a 33 year old, you would just think she was just an average 12 year old and so, throughout all my years of being in public places together, what I experience is precisely what parents of normal kids experience when they have a bad day with their "normal" unruly children in public, when other people react badly to them. Only difference is, with most parents that might be 2 or 3% of the time they go out, with myself (and most other parents/siblings of someone with autism) it's almost every single day and every single time that they leave the house.



    Again, there are of course times when people have every right to expect some peace and quiet. They may very well have problems of their own to cope with and so when they go out, they should be entitled to expect to enjoy that time undisturbed by children screaming and acting up.



    However, people who complain, throw dirty looks and make judgmental comments about other parents, just because they see a child scream or throw a tantrum in a shop, cinema etc, in my mind .. are just arseholes, get over yourselves. Okay, so your day has been interrupted by noise that you would prefer went away or hadn't happened, but that doesn't give you the right to be prissy or obnoxious about it. If an adult is clearly doing their best to take care of a kid, but that child is still being wild or unruly, bear in mind that there could very well be more to why that child is behaving that way, than meets the eye. That adult or sibling may have spent the last week stuck indoors, going through the same crap (sometimes literately) and this trip to the shop, cinema, cafe etc has been there only refuge in that time, their only chance to get outside the house and so the last thing that they need is someone making things harder for them, with their selfish, ignorant reactions and attitudes to those situations. Of course, a small dose of 'minding your own bloody business' would go a long way too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Bullshit.

    If you can't make your child behave in a civilised manner - assuming there are no disabilities/disorders/whatever involved - it's your own failing as a parent.

    It's one of your responsibilities as a parent to train your child to behave in a courteous civilised manner. If your child is acting like a little shit, and annoying other people, it's your own fault, so why not just take responsibility, admit you're being a crap parent, and actually do something about it, instead of pushing the blame onto the kids for "being kids". It's just downright lazy and irresponsible.

    Obviously parents need to take responsibility but the fact is that kids are indeed kids at times and that can be annoying for people in public places. My children are 4 and 2 aswell and we try our very very best to ensure they are well behaved in and not a nuisance when out and about - however - it doesn't always work like that. Lets say we go for a family meal and they sit still for a while and are generally good. We've ordered 2 steaks and kids meals, then one of them gets in a fowler over something stupid and wont stay quiet. For a parent, that's a choice between leaving without the meal but prob still paying or trying your best over what can sometimes be a bit of time calming them down...it's this period where 'people who dont have kids' get pissed off, but what's a parent to do!!
    Jesus , the thread only got one post deep before we had the old "unless you have kids you don't know what it's like" response.

    New record?

    To be honest, folk who show absolutely no effort to control their kids get no respect.

    it's the only record I'll ever hold on boards. anyway, I stand by it. Nobody, absolutely nobody has any idea what it's like raising kids till you've done it yourself. it may be overused, but that doesn't mean it's not true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    There was a similar thread on this very subject a few months ago http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056275104 and when I read the following post, it really affected me and it taught me that you have to becareful when making judgements about people and their children.

    While i understand that sometimes its not that black and white, the situation i am referring to included two children, and even if they were autistic my main problem was with the parents who sat there and did nothing to stop their children shouting and screaming. Now i dont think these kids were autistic or had any reason for behaving in the way they were other than the parents werent bothered telling them to stop. It wasnt so much the noise but just the fact that they were smack bang in everyone's way and the waiting staff were flying around trying to their best in a very busy bar and the last thing they needed to be doing was dodging these two little brats. I do agree though that its not the childrens fault as they dont know any better but it is the parents fault and they are the ones that i direct most of my whispered abuse and dirty looks at!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    When I was that age I would've been terrified to defy my parents in any way, because I knew that if we ran around screaming and shouting we wouldn't get any dessert :(. Then again it was South Africa and every child there is either well-behaved or fed to the crocodiles.

    I used to work in a family restaurant as a waiter... Shoot me. Day shifts during the week were fine but come weekends or after school and it was nightmare city. And we never had enough crayons and paper for all the children there. The amount of times I nearly dropped hot food on a kid's head because they kept running into me... Argh!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    Can't see why one of the wait staff or managment didn't say something to the parents as it is in the interest of Health & Safety that the kids shouldn't be running beneath the feet of waiting staff unless the want to get a nice hot bowl of soup of the day over them (might have done the trick tbh).

    My own experience of a little brat no so long ago where he was running around then came up to my table and proceeded to grab a handful of chips of a plate and run off again. Needless to say on his next run by the table a foot got in his way and he tripped nicely. Not proud of what I did and I was awaiting scorn from the other tables around me but just got smiles and one thumbs up from the other customers who got to eat the rest of their meals in peace as Mummy decided to gather up the brat and take him outside.


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