Is David Norris Toast?

anymore · 01-08-2011 08:45PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Were not talking about that I am bothered by a grown man condoning another man who raped a young teen in palestine,the emotional scars that were left on the victim will last decades and this is a man who wants to represent our country.
I have no problem with him batting for the other team but its his attitude to this incident that bothers me.

I wonder how such an offence would be viewed in the wider palestinian community ? In Gaza for instance ?

tayto lover · 01-08-2011 08:45PM

zuroph wrote: »

but in a few months time he was now immune to emotional abuse?

Maybe the boy was forced into prostitution due to family poverty and as such may never get over it. If this was so then the sexual aggressor is even more guilty (if there is such a thing) if he knew this. We don't know why the young lad was used and abused by this fiend or how Nawi got to know him or knew he was available to be used for sex. One thing is sure, emotional abuse will not ease when he turns sixteen and you should know that.

zuroph · 01-08-2011 08:48PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Maybe the boy was forced into prostitution due to family poverty and as such may never get over it. If this was so then the sexual aggressor is even more guilty (if there is such a thing) if he knew this. We don't know why the young lad was used and abused by this fiend or how Nawi got to know him or knew he was available to be used for sex. One thing is sure, emotional abuse will not ease when he turns sixteen and you should know that.

this is a hilarious post. We don't know, so lets just make up the worst case scenario and run that off as what happened. :rolleyes:

beagle001 · 01-08-2011 08:52PM

Zuroph
Sexual exploitation is not hilarious and I would expect more common sense from a moderator or these days would I.

anymore · 01-08-2011 08:53PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Maybe the boy was forced into prostitution due to family poverty and as such may never get over it. If this was so then the sexual aggressor is even more guilty (if there is such a thing) if he knew this. We don't know why the young lad was used and abused by this fiend or how Nawi got to know him or knew he was available to be used for sex. One thing is sure, emotional abuse will not ease when he turns sixteen and you should know that.

It is remarkable how little information has been given out about this event given how often the Norris camp has complained about quotyes etc being used out of context ?

So why dont they place this in context ? Fill out the details !

zuroph · 01-08-2011 08:54PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Zuroph
Sexual exploitation is not hilarious and I would expect more common sense from a moderator or these days would I.

where did I say sexual exploitation was hilarious?!?!? Did you even read what I wrote?!!

beagle001 · 01-08-2011 08:55PM

zuroph wrote: »

where did I say sexual exploitation was hilarious?!?!? Did you even read what I wrote?!!

Your quick to laugh at others and ridicule that persons post whilst laughing at the exploitation of the teen in this case,disgraceful.

zuroph · 01-08-2011 08:59PM

This thread is a new low for the politics forum with the amount of trolls and re-regs and blatant bigots.

some people on here are having a rational debate, and good arguments on both sides, but some posters are just filling it with noise because of personal issues, since the very beginning. Now the debate is destroyed with wild speculation and OTT "what if" scenarios purposely designed to muddy the facts and spread misinformation. And its working. shameful stuff.

I wont be debating this here any more.

zuroph · 01-08-2011 09:00PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Your quick to laugh at others and ridicule that persons post whilst laughing at the exploitation of the teen in this case,disgraceful.

Im not laughing at any exploitation, read my post again, I'm laughing at the poster making up a total BS story to muddy the facts of the case.

Post reported.

tayto lover · 01-08-2011 09:00PM

zuroph wrote: »

this is a hilarious post. We don't know, so lets just make up the worst case scenario and run that off as what happened. :rolleyes:

Did you not see the word "maybe" at all. AND its not as hilarious as your previous one which i replied to. This is not a laughing matter at all as its just like Cloyne and others. You should know better.
I would still like to know how your friends friend knew the boy was available for sex.

anymore · 01-08-2011 09:02PM

zuroph wrote: »

this is a hilarious post. We don't know, so lets just make up the worst case scenario and run that off as what happened. :rolleyes:

That actually isnt the worst case scenario, however it is one that certainly would be common in second and third worlds countries.However let us stick with the few facts we do know. One is that the defendant is best known as a ' human rights campaigner '. So presumably that would put him a category of persons whom we might expect to owe a particularly high duty of care to those whom he campaigns for or on behalf of. In other words such people tend to be held in reasonably high esteem in society and presumably this would particularly be the case amongst younger people. So the question would arise if in addition to the offence itself there was also a breach of this trust.

Duke Leonal Felmet · 01-08-2011 09:04PM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

And that is their right to have the legal age of consent they desire as a democratic country. And in most of those european countries there are laws which allow prosections for what they consider predatory sex of someone above their legal age of consent when there is a large age gap. They will also prosecute anyone having sex with someone below their age of consent. I am sure you are also aware that most Eiroupean countries, along with Ireland, allow for the prosection of somebody havign sex with somene below the age of consent even if it is legal age in the country where it happened, ie, an Irish person can be prosecuted for having sex with a 16yo in a country where the legal age of consent is 16. Laws vary from country to country, such is life, its a fallacious argument for defending terrible wrongdoing.

I wasn't defending him.

Do keep up.

zuroph · 01-08-2011 09:12PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Did you not see the word "maybe" at all. AND its not as hilarious as your previous one which i replied to. This is not a laughing matter at all as its just like Cloyne and others. You should know better.
I would still like to know how your friends friend knew the boy was available for sex.

so "maybe" means you can just say anything afterwards? Its a deliberate attempt to muddy the information out there. But you'd jump on any anti norris story you could get, sure for a quiet week there you argued about his accent.

no point in debating with you, you've destroyed the thread and debate with your insinuations, sneaky misleading posts and wild speculation. This is Politics forum, not after hours, and you post stuff like "I think he's formed a secret cult". FFS.

tayto lover · 01-08-2011 09:18PM

zuroph wrote: »

so "maybe" means you can just say anything afterwards? Its a deliberate attempt to muddy the information out there. But you'd jump on any anti norris story you could get, sure for a quiet week there you argued about his accent.

no point in debating with you, you've destroyed the thread and debate with your lies and wild speculation. This is Politics forum, not after hours, and you post stuff like "I think he's formed a secret cult". FFS.

Well do you think my bias is worse than yours then because i don't. You have shown your colours on this from the start and can't seem to take any criticism of D.N. at all. But go on and laugh at others and accuse them of telling lies. Where are the lies i told by the way ?

oppenheimer1 · 01-08-2011 09:21PM

RTE news reporting that Finian McGrath has now withdrawn support for the nomination. Not that it was in doubt, but it looks like its curtains for this presidential campaign.

zuroph · 01-08-2011 09:24PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Well do you think my bias is worse than yours then because i don't. You have shown your colours on this from the start and can't seem to take any criticism of D.N. at all. But go on and laugh at others and accuse them of telling lies. Where are the lies i told by the way ?

scroll back to when the story about campaign team leaving broke. I didnt jump to any conclusions or rush to defend Norris, on the contrary I waited to make my mind up based on the info as it emerged.

ebbsy · 01-08-2011 09:24PM

So moving on.........

What do ye think he will say in his press conference ? Will he plough on, or wave the white flag ???

My feeling is he will carry on, but will eventually concede defeat. Its the story that keeps on giving.

tayto lover · 01-08-2011 09:28PM

zuroph wrote: »

scroll back to when the story about campaign team leaving broke. I didnt jump to any conclusions or rush to defend Norris, on the contrary I waited to make my mind up based on the info as it emerged.

Where have i told lies ?
Either point it out or withdraw.

zuroph · 01-08-2011 09:31PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Where have i told lies ?
Either point it out or withdraw.

you say "maybe" then make up wild speculative stories.

Its not direct lies, but its deliberate misinformation designed to muddy the waters and confuse other posters

oppenheimer1 · 01-08-2011 09:31PM

John Halligan is gone now too apparently. Who will go next? My money is on Pringle.

anymore · 01-08-2011 09:35PM

ebbsy wrote: »

So moving on.........

What do ye think he will say in his press conference ? Will he plough on, or wave the white flag ???

My feeling is he will carry on, but will eventually concede defeat. Its the story that keeps on giving.

Perhaps he might quote a little Yeats ?

tayto lover · 01-08-2011 09:36PM

zuroph wrote: »

you say "maybe" then make up wild speculative stories.

Its not direct lies, but its deliberate misinformation designed to muddy the waters and confuse other posters

No its nothing deliberate at all. I was giving a scenario to you in reply to your post which asked if the young boy would stop being emotionally abused when he reached the age of sixteen. That was the purpose of my post and it was made because your post seemed to be making little of the boy's abuse. My point was that he might never get over it and that the circumstances surrounding the abuse might even make it worse.

zuroph · 01-08-2011 09:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

No its nothing deliberate at all. I was giving a scenario to you in reply to your post which asked if the young boy would stop being emotionally abused when he reached the age of sixteen. That was the purpose of my post and it was made because your post seemed to be making little of the boy's abuse. My point was that he might never get over it and that the circumstances surrounding the abuse might even make it worse.

or, you know, he might be totally fine with it. I lost my virginity at 13 to an older girl, I dont have any emotional scars, I loved it. One of my fonder memories in my life. You dont know the details of the case any more than anyone else.

but sure, go back to typing "yuk" in reply to someone mentioning Anal Sex. Mature, and important to the debate.

anymore · 01-08-2011 09:42PM

zuroph wrote: »

you say "maybe" then make up wild speculative stories.

Its not direct lies, but its deliberate misinformation designed to muddy the waters and confuse other posters

Do you not think we other posters have the capacity to read and interpret posts ourselves ? We have done a fair job in seeing through much of the evasiveness the Norris camp has put put on a range of issues.
Mind you when Norris purports to answer a question by saying the person should look at a video which turns out to be just fluff, then it is not too hard to recognise the evasiveness.

tayto lover · 01-08-2011 09:44PM

zuroph wrote: »

or, you know, he might be totally fine with it. I lost my virginity at 13 to an older girl, I dont have any emotional scars, I loved it. One of my fonder memories in my life. You dont know the details of the case any more than anyone else.

but sure, go back to typing "yuk" in reply to someone mentioning Anal Sex. Mature, and important to the debate.

Still throw dirt but can't point out where i lied ?
YUK is how i feel about anal sex to be honest. is that the best you can do ?

anymore · 01-08-2011 09:46PM

zuroph wrote: »

or, you know, he might be totally fine with it. I lost my virginity at 13 to an older girl, I dont have any emotional scars, I loved it. One of my fonder memories in my life. You dont know the details of the case any more than anyone else.

but sure, go back to typing "yuk" in reply to someone mentioning Anal Sex. Mature, and important to the debate.

If you dont see the difference between losing your virginity to a girl and what actually happened in the case under discussion, maybe you need to have a little biology lesson

zuroph · 01-08-2011 09:47PM

anymore wrote: »

Do you not think we other posters have the capacity to read and interpret posts ourselves ? We have done a fair job in seeing through much of the evasiveness the Norris camp has put put on a range of issues.
Mind you when Norris purports to answer a question by saying the person should look at a video which turns out to be just fluff, then it is not too hard to recognise the evasiveness.

As i said, some people are better than others, and some of the debate on here has been quite good, but we shouldnt have to tolerate the noise being thrown in by certain posters. And if you're totally interested in reading through the information and interpreting it great, but the problem is a lot of people arent all that bothered to do the work themselves, and get their info second or third hand, and posts like taytos is a good starting point for chinese whisper propaganda. we've seen numerous posters arrive on this thead over the months with a very twisted story in their heads of what was known as "fact"

zuroph · 01-08-2011 09:49PM

anymore wrote: »

If you dont see the difference between losing your virginity to a girl and what actually happened in the case under discussion, maybe you need to have a little biology lesson

If it was consensual, theres no difference. the biology of the act makes no difference. Plenty of straight couples have anal sex regularily.

zuroph · 01-08-2011 09:50PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Still throw dirt but can't point out where i lied ?
YUK is how i feel about anal sex to be honest. is that the best you can do ?

and what relevence had it in a debate about politics. Nobody cares about your opinion or attitudes towards sex, they're going to do it anyway. ridiculous post, but you love filling this thread with noise.

tayto lover · 01-08-2011 09:51PM

zuroph wrote: »

As i said, some people are better than others, and some of the debate on here has been quite good, but we shouldnt have to tolerate the noise being thrown in by certain posters. And if you're totally interested in reading through the information and interpreting it great, but the problem is a lot of people arent all that bothered to do the work themselves, and get their info second or third hand, and posts like taytos is a good starting point for chinese whisper propaganda. we've seen numerous posters arrive on this thead over the months with a very twisted story in their heads of what was known as "fact"

Very unfair comments. I never said "fact" anywhere either. Anything i did say was an honest comment but you want to twist everything to support your side. If i said some moderators were better than others too it might be "fact".

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