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Is David Norris Toast?

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  • #1202
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Discodog wrote: »
    Whatever Norris may of done or is alleged to of done it is nothing compared to not allowing the public to vote for their clear favourite. That is the real crime.

    Yet again we have an elite dictating to us.
    He aint the clear favorite no more.


  • #1203
    T2daK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭T2daK


    Norris was toast from day one because this is a Catholic anti homosexual country. Even though times are changing, they haven't changed yet. Wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican funded this hate campaign


  • #1204
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    T2daK wrote: »
    Norris was toast from day one because this is a Catholic anti homosexual country. Even though times are changing, they haven't changed yet. Wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican funded this hate campaign


    I think you will find you are slightly out of touch with the reality in this country.


  • #1205
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    T2daK wrote: »
    Norris was toast from day one because this is a Catholic anti homosexual country. Even though times are changing, they haven't changed yet. Wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican funded this hate campaign

    He was toast from day one because of the skeletons in his closet.

    EDIT: It wasn't to long ago that Trevor Sergant had to resign over a letter to a Garda in relation to public order. The crime in this case is much worse yet some people still bring out the homophobic card.


  • #1206
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    HarryPotter41 wrote: »
    You may notice his last boards poll was 60% would vote for him, after the revelations the new poll is running 60% wouldn't vote for him. 25% in a poll ( and a pre letter one at that ) is hardly a resounding endorsement from the electorate. So I don't think he is now considered the front runner by anyone ( except possibly himself going by the egotistical view of himself he put into that letter of clemency )

    Well I would like to see another Liveline poll. An online politics forum is hardly representative of the general electorate.


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  • #1207
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    HarryPotter41 wrote: »
    I think you will find you are slightly out of touch with the reality in this country.
    Indeed, being stopped by the gardai whilst kerb crawling in the Phoenix park, in the ninties did not end the career of one former Junior Minister.


  • #1208
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    Discodog wrote: »
    Whatever Norris may of done or is alleged to of done it is nothing compared to not allowing the public to vote for their clear favourite. That is the real crime.

    Yet again we have an elite dictating to us.
    Former Trinity Professor and now Senator, Mr Norris is part of the elite !


  • #1209
    durkadurka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭durkadurka


    The 'trap' relates to the manner of his arrest and not to the crime for which he was convicted.


  • #1210
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    anymore wrote: »
    Former Trinity Professor and now Senator, Mr Norris is part of the elite !

    But he isn't preventing democracy. Even if Norris support falls in the various polls he will still have enough support to be allowed into the election.

    But the elite, who control who we are allowed to vote for, will stop him.


  • #1211
    T2daK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭T2daK


    HarryPotter41 wrote: »
    I think you will find you are slightly out of touch with the reality in this country.

    I feel am I right. The younger generations are more open to the notion, but I know very few people over the age of 50 that still think they're 'evil'. those that had the church's techings beaten into them. I would include my own parents in that bracket


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  • #1212
    T2daK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭T2daK


    Discodog wrote: »
    But he isn't preventing democracy. Even if Norris support falls in the various polls he will still have enough support to be allowed into the election.

    But the elite, who control who we are allowed to vote for, will stop him.

    unfortunately


  • #1213
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    T2daK wrote: »
    I feel am I right. The younger generations are more open to the notion, but I know very few people over the age of 50 that still think they're 'evil'. those that had the church's techings beaten into them. I would include my own parents in that bracket

    I know plenty people over 50 who couldn't care less about someones sexuality


  • #1214
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Discodog wrote: »
    Well I would like to see another Liveline poll. An online politics forum is hardly representative of the general electorate.


    So would I, beacuse thats a hell of a swing on an online forum, one which is renowned for not following the dogged path of the political norm, so imagine how much he has sailed downward amongst the ordinary voters of this country.


  • #1215
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Problem is if Norris gets in somebody will release another juicy titbit about him, and he would probably end up having to walk.

    And this country is already a shambolic clusterf**k as it is.


  • #1216
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    T2daK wrote: »
    Norris was toast from day one because this is a Catholic anti homosexual country. Even though times are changing, they haven't changed yet. Wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican funded this hate campaign

    Did the Pope write the letters???? :eek:


  • #1217
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    T2daK wrote: »
    Norris was toast from day one because this is a Catholic anti homosexual country. Even though times are changing, they haven't changed yet. Wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican funded this hate campaign


    i see your adress is australia , not exactly a country renowned for its tollerance of gays


  • #1218
    Teclo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Teclo


    T2daK wrote: »
    Norris was toast from day one because this is a Catholic anti homosexual country. Even though times are changing, they haven't changed yet. Wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican funded this hate campaign

    Fact#1: His boyfriend sodomized a 15 year old boy

    Fact#2: He continued to be 'close friends' with this pederast despite having full knowledge of his appetite for children

    Fact#3: The Vatican could very easily point out how hypocritical the Irish were for electing such a man president while at the same time accusing them of not caring about children who were sexual abused


  • #1219
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Teclo wrote: »
    Fact#1: His boyfriend sodomized a 15 year old boy

    Fact#2: He continued to be 'close friends' with this pederast despite having full knowledge of his appetite for children

    Fact#3: The Vatican could very easily point out how hypocritical the Irish were for electing such a man president while at the same time accusing them of not caring about children who were sexual abused



    You hoesntly don't think there is any difference between consentual sex and phyiscally forcing someone to have sex with you?


  • #1220
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    You hoesntly don't think there is any difference between consentual sex and phyiscally forcing someone to have sex with you?


    When one is underage, theres very little difference, one is by physical force, the other is usually achieved through emotional abuse.


  • #1221
    Teclo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Teclo


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    You hoesntly don't think there is any difference between consentual sex and phyiscally forcing someone to have sex with you?

    If the person is 15 the answer is no.


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  • #1222
    omerin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    This State has a poor track record on the rights of the Child. Let's elect Norris to keep this great tradition alive.
    Oh to have standards in public office.


  • #1223
    beagle001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    could you imagine him as president at the opening of a school what would the parents think.


  • #1224
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    HarryPotter41 wrote: »
    When one is underage, theres very little difference, one is by physical force, the other is usually achieved through emotional abuse.

    but in a few months time he was now immune to emotional abuse?


  • #1225
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Max Clifford turning up would be the icing on this cake.


  • #1226
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,464 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    beagle001 wrote: »
    could you imagine him as president at the opening of a school what would the parents think.

    Are you bothered with the Catholic Church running most of our primary schools given their record on child abuse and covering it up?


  • #1227
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,010 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    T2daK wrote: »
    I feel am I right. The younger generations are more open to the notion, but I know very few people over the age of 50 that still think they're 'evil'. those that had the church's techings beaten into them. I would include my own parents in that bracket

    I am beginning to think that David Norris has formed a secret cult.


  • #1228
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    Discodog wrote: »
    But he isn't preventing democracy. Even if Norris support falls in the various polls he will still have enough support to be allowed into the election.

    But the elite, who control who we are allowed to vote for, will stop him.
    Do you even understand what the word ' democracy' means - go away and read the constitution - it is quite small.


  • #1229
    beagle001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Are you bothered with the Catholic Church running most of our primary schools given their record on child abuse and covering it up?
    Were not talking about that I am bothered by a grown man condoning another man who raped a young teen in palestine,the emotional scars that were left on the victim will last decades and this is a man who wants to represent our country.
    I have no problem with him batting for the other team but its his attitude to this incident that bothers me.


  • #1230
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    You hoesntly don't think there is any difference between consentual sex and phyiscally forcing someone to have sex with you?
    I dont think that a fifteen year old boy can give an informed conset to anal sex with a 30 year old man and it most certainly would be an offence in this country.


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  • #1231
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    zuroph wrote: »
    but in a few months time he was now immune to emotional abuse?


    No, but he is then legal age, he is certainly still vulnerable to emotional abuse ( as in any adult in a relationship, see the amount of wives who stay with husbands who beat them regularly ) but in the eyes of the law he can make a considered decision on his own. A lot of countries do enshrine in law that there be a small differential in age between a young person above legal age and someone they are having consensual sex with purely because they are aware that there can be emotional pressure placed upon the young person by a much older predatory adult.


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