Diablo 3: Have Blizzard shot themselves in the foot?

Where there is competition between players I don't like the option of people being able to buy their way to the top. If I'm interpreting this correctly, I would be able to sell any items I got in game for real cash? I can see that ending badly.

brb getting Guild Wars 2 instead of D3

Bit over the top TBh.

Diablo 3 requires an online connection because its a mini mmo, there will be the ability to link up with players constantly, PvP at any stage and an Auction House thats always alive.

But seriously give me a break, I for one think its a great idea, and its not a new idea either.

Eve has long since allowed players to do the same which essentially covers gametime making the game free, and profitable.

There is nothing forcing you to buy items with real money, you can use ingame currency fine.

I dont get why people get so over dramatic over nothing, there is really, really nothing here at all.

1) Requires internet connection to play
You will be able to join up and group up with people on the spot, walk into arenas instantly and have a thriving auction house. And if your PC, in 2011, doesnt have an always on broadband connection, well then thats your problem : /

2) Mods are expressly prohibited
Whats the big deal? We arnt talking about a ground breaker mmo where you need to know bosses cast times and break every second of DPS. Its a hack n slash with a very simple pickup and play style. What modifications to the UI and or the game would you actually need?

3) Buy and sell for real money
If you want, there is nothing forcing you to do either or. I for one welcome the inclusion. I play alot of the AH in WoW and tbh I envy how Eve players cna make real money from their efforts.
Diablo3 is a gear whoring game, you will get gear to beat the band and earn millions of gold very quickly.

And here is an opportunity to earn a few pennies aswell. Yeah some items will be pricey, but most are relatively cheap. I'd have no problem lodging a tenner into my account to cover listing costs, if I'm making profits, and I dont see how anyone else could either.

And the EXTREMELY INTELLEGENT decision by Blizzard to take a cut regardless of an item selling or not, ensures competitive pricing and no stupid bidding.


I dont really see the problem, its the way games are going, including real economoy and real opportunities.

If you want to have a proper debate/rant, how about the ingame rela money bidding on Fifa 12 matches for spectators and actual players. With the amount that Fifa accounts get hacked I cant wait to see the tears that will bring.

Welcome addition from me, interesting, inventive, different. And if anyone can do it right its Blizzard. And there seems to be a weird trend in opinion. Community based forums like this where you dont really know what games the poster plays, seem to be negative.

All over the Blizzard community forums and websites, it seems to be applauded and welcome : /

Gone are the days when your cash at till was the last time you took your money out of your pockets for that game.
I never bought those stupid pets or mounts in WoW since it didn't help with gear or raiding, but feel this could have a major impact ingame if you wanna be he best you're gonna have to fork out cash on certain items since the best items won't be sold for ingame gold and if they are you can be sure you'll have people with huge stockpiles of gold from farming to snap it up and sell it for cash.
Blizz will need to thread carefully with this.
I'm really anti micro transactions and dlc i think it's a big farce.

i was a bit WTF when i read it, but then i read in to mmochampion notes on this.


it can work out to be honest. i presume no monthly sub then?

but i can see soooo much whining now about items droping in groups. i bet it will make quite ****y for giving stuff to friends too, becouse you will allways have some greedy fecker who will want 1 doller for some ****...


its too early to judge, but i know it wount stop me from playing D3.

ShadowHearth wrote: »

it can work out to be honest. i presume no monthly sub then?

Correct, no monthly sub, in theory you could pay the game off Eve style and be boom free game

Interested to see if the way loot is rolled for etc alright, I know old diablo was just whoever could click it the fastest, and I think the new Diablo3 is the same

Get those mouses ready boys!

They could honestly turn WoW free to play within a year or two if Diablo's AH becomes successful - by converting WoW AH's to Cash Money/Gold Hybrid you could seriously rethink the way that game is played. When Cata came out I could hardly be bothered to have to get a whole new set of armor just to grind away at the same bosses all the time now could I. And in Arena/BG if you aren't there from Week 1 of the season to the end, maxing out your points each week, you're wasting your time. When you take that first week off you get yourself screwed out of it.

I would support a play-only earning system if they didn't make it such a ****ing grind to get things. You pretty much are expected to play world of warcraft 20 hours a week or more to stay competitive.

Why don't they just call it an MMO and be done with it?

It's a fantastic concept and the fact they are sandboxing it means it will work. It would be a completely different scenario if they sold items at a set price and could artificially interfere with the economy by releasing newer and more powerful items. The fact that anything sold has to be "created" by the player, and by that I mean you have to physically go out and get the item, will make it player driven and will simply make it work. Inflation will be mental at the start but when people realise their items aren't selling and the few cent per listing suddenly pushes into a few euro items will sell at the correct price.

This won't be like other in game economies in that old content farming and will simply not be profitable if everyone has the same idea. Niches are going to be hard to find and RNG on drops / rolls will be your main money maker until you can get yourself into areas where the majority of the population cannot go. It will create a ninja environment but tbh that's circumvented by the community. It's the same with WoW, I can group up with 4 random strangers and waste the next two hours or run the same instance with the people I know are reliable and dependable (regardless of gear level) and do it in 20 mins.

I will get the game and if over the course of a year I manage to save up enough money to buy another game for free (or a game sub) it's money well spent. I won't be going out of my way to farm for stuff, if decent gear drops that I don't need it's money in the bank.

I have no problems with points 1 and 2 since i played D2 grand without mods, and as another poster mentioned its not so complex that you need boss cast timers and such ala WoW. Also plan to play online multiplayer exclusively.

Slight problem with point 3 though...

I read somewhere that D3 will have a Need/Greed roll system like Wow and wont be fastest fingers win all the loot (In D2 i actually used to stop attacking bosses close to their deaths so i could get ready to be a greedy bastid)

If it is for sure Need/Greed system whats to stop people from needing on items that they dont actually need so they can make a few quid on the AH? Then that brings into question BoE and BoP items. I hope that most if not all the best gear in the game is BoP. If there is alot of BoE items that are the best items in the game in their respective class, then alot of people will be selling them on the AH if they dont have a char suited for such an item. Then we have people getting the best gear in the game for real money which is just...wrong. Buying good gear on the AH is fine but not the best, no please no Blizz.

Other than that I think the AH system sounds good. I know i wont have every class in the game at max level, maybe 1 or 2 so if i can make a few quid on an item i dont need thats very nice indeed.

On another note. Does anyone know if Magic Find will be back in the game? If so Sorc/Voodoo will be my first char

And if your PC, in 2011, doesnt have an always on broadband connection, well then thats your problem : /

Sadly, not everywhere has the same quality of internet connection as you seem to have :P

We arnt talking about a ground breaker mmo where you need to know bosses cast times and break every second of DPS.

Based on my experience of Diablo 2 unmodded vs. modded, mods can bring a phenomenal amount of content to a game - the particular mod I'm playing at the moment (Median XL) revamps nearly everything in the game (apart from most of the end of Act bosses), and added loads of new content for high level characters. A bit of a far cry from (what I would consider, relatively speaking, to be) simple things like boss alerts and whatnot :P

What modifications to the UI and or the game would you actually need?

Well, modifications can breathe new life into a game once it gets to the point where it gets boring for a particular person (amongst other things, like the gameplay tweaking of CSProMod). While we will have to wait and see how D3 will fare in terms of longevity, I'm disappointed that the option won't exist because I'm sure that some individual (or modding group) could come up with something incredible, given the chance.

you see, problem with this, it will attract people who are not players, but ninjas and pure money bitches.

I thought D3 was implementing a feature whereby you would only see dropped loot that was available to be picked up by you (I'm not 100% certain on whether it was loot that was usable by you, or an item of loot which was yours and only yours for the taking) - if it's the second, would that not make ninjas less of a problem since they wouldn't be necessarily be taking other people's loot?

I'm going to look around to get the information, I'm fairly sure there was talk of that feature but I can't recall the specifics.
EDIT: Here we go. The items you see are yours and yours alone, it would seem.

Magill wrote: »

Lets be honest.. its going to make for some awesome ninja looting youtube videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rSNIxos60U

"WHAAAD DA FUUCK??"

i have to agree. there will be some ninja looting and HUNTERWEAPONZZZZZZZZZZ all over the place!