Gardai acquitted....

msjones1 · 30-07-2011 10:20PM

usernamegoes wrote: »

Of course the jury didn't hear all of the facts, and rightly so, as some may not be reliable, and several times during the trial voir dire was called to exclude potions of proposed testimony.

I sat in the Court each day, and admittedly, heard some evidence that the jury didn't, but it wasn't really that important. I came to a different conclusion than the jury.

The went away to deliberate for 5 hours on a Friday, were called back in at 4pm and asked if they had considered all the counts and reached unanimous verdict on any. The answered no to both questions. So at that point the judge couldn't instruct them on majority verdict as they hadn't even considered all the counts.

Then 2 hours later they arrive back and deliver their verdict.

after five hours they had reached unanimous verdict on ten out of the 15

EarlERizer · 30-07-2011 10:23PM

mconigol wrote: »

You're mistaken. To protect the values of the society sometimes things will need to be done that may seem to contradict those values. However, without those actions the desired value system cannot exist.

If a weed grows in your crops you don't water it just because it's a plant too. You remove it in order to allow the rest to grow and to prevent the spread.

Excuse me but I am not mistaken, I am giving my opinion and my veiwpoint on the subject, just because I don't subscribe to your veiw on things I am wrong and you are right? if anything your reply backs up my previous posts.

Thanks for the farming tip and the insight into how you see people in general.

usernamegoes · 30-07-2011 10:38PM

msjones1 wrote: »

after five hours they had reached unanimous verdict on ten out of the 15

After five hours, on some of the counts, there was no unanimous decision, they didn't detail the numbers.

end a eknny · 30-07-2011 10:50PM

going by the majority of posts the jury probably didnt consider the gardai to be innocent more likely that they thought that he got what he deserved. which is a bit strange that they considered it is ok for the gardai to act like the thugs they are paid to protect us from

EarlERizer · 30-07-2011 11:10PM

end a eknny wrote: »

going by the majority of posts the jury probably didnt consider the gardai to be innocent more likely that they thought that he got what he deserved. which is a bit strange that they considered it is ok for the gardai to act like the thugs they are paid to protect us from

goat2 wrote: »

i think that if he is or was unemployed, then he was paid by the public, and maybe housed by the public, and educated by the public, and health care by the public, so indeed those same gardai were paying tax while this gaffney was scrounging

Failed by the public system! Got to say i'm appalled at some of the opinions of supposed civilised people.

mconigol · 30-07-2011 11:11PM

EarlERizer wrote: »

Excuse me but I am not mistaken, I am giving my opinion and my veiwpoint on the subject, just because I don't subscribe to your veiw on things I am wrong and you are right? if anything your reply backs up my previous posts.

Thanks for the farming tip and the insight into how you see people in general.

Yes you are. You accused me of turning a blind eye to vigilantism and having distorted principles. I'm the only one of us qualified to tell you your mistaken on that point.

My principles are very high. It's the kind of low life you are crying over that don't have principles.

mconigol · 30-07-2011 11:26PM

EarlERizer wrote: »

Failed by the public system! Got to say i'm appalled at some of the opinions of supposed civilised people.

You keep talking about civilised people.

Over the centuries as well in modern times "civilised" people kill and perform "uncivilised" acts in order to perpetuate the civilisation and lifestyle that you enjoy today.

Other people regularly perform, what you would term "uncivilised" acts (i.e. war, exploitation) which allow you to fool yourself into believing that you are part of some great, pure, system built solely on integrity and equality.

Look at the computer you are using, clothes you wear, food you eat. It's more than likely that some of the raw materials and labour involved in producing those things were produced by people who by the laws of Ireland we would consider to be exploited. Low wages, low standards of living, lower life expectancy, etc...etc...etc...where's the civility in that?

Fact is, this idea of a civilized society is just an idealised notion. In practice it does not exist.

tayto lover · 30-07-2011 11:36PM

end a eknny wrote: »

eoin gaffney is not being paid by the public to uphold the law the gardai are. if the gardai and judicial system continue to show disrespect to people from working class areas then they can continue to expect disrespect from them

I agree with you for once.
But would you ever turn off the long-playing record. They were acquitted so get over it. We have to respect the jury system and give them credit for their decisions. You might have better luck next week.

archer22 · 30-07-2011 11:41PM

mconigol wrote: »

You're mistaken. To protect the values of the society sometimes things will need to be done that may seem to contradict those values. However, without those actions the desired value system cannot exist.

If a weed grows in your crops you don't water it just because it's a plant too. You remove it in order to allow the rest to grow and to prevent the spread.

Mein Kampf ?

EarlERizer · 30-07-2011 11:45PM

mconigol wrote: »

Yes you are. You accused me of turning a blind eye to vigilantism and having distorted principles. I'm the only one of us qualified to tell you your mistaken on that point.

My principles are very high. It's the kind of low life you are crying over that don't have principles.

Ah,now I see the 'mistake' , sorry for the confusion,when I said "If your principles allow you to turn a blind eye to vigilanteism then your principles are somewhat distorted" I wasn't speaking of you yourself ,it was a general use of the term "you" maybe I should've said "we".

I am not mistaken on any of my veiwpoints or opinions,they're mine and I stand by them.

As for me crying over lowlife,can you accept your mistaken on that? given that I have no regard for the victim or toe rags of his ilk,my point which I have clearly mentioned throughout this thread is the unacceptable behaviour of the gardai and how it contradicts people's talk of who is and isn't a fit member of society.

To me, neither toe rags been toe rags nor gardai acting thuggish have a place in a civilised society and can't be tolerated or excused.A toe rag acting like a toe rag is disgusting but a uniformed garda acting like a thug is appalling,societys acceptance of such indiscretions is shameful.

mconigol · 30-07-2011 11:58PM

archer22 wrote: »

Mein Kampf ?

If any comment ever deserved a rolleyes it's that one. Godwins law is still good I see.

:rolleyes:

EarlERizer wrote: »

Ah,now I see the 'mistake' , sorry for the confusion,when I said "If your principles allow you to turn a blind eye to vigilanteism then your principles are somewhat distorted" I wasn't speaking of you yourself ,it was a general use of the term "you" maybe I should've said "we".

I am not mistaken on any of my veiwpoints or opinions,they're mine and I stand by them.

As for me crying over lowlife,can you accept your mistaken on that? given that I have no regard for the victim or toe rags of his ilk,my point which I have clearly mentioned throughout this thread is the unacceptable behaviour of the gardai and how it contradicts people's talk of who is and isn't a fit member of society.

To me, neither toe rags been toe rags nor gardai acting thuggish have a place in a civilised society and can't be tolerated or excused.A toe rag acting like a toe rag is disgusting but a uniformed garda acting like a thug is appalling,societys acceptance of such indiscretions is shameful.

You're entitled to your viewpoints. The gardai were found not guilty however, so if you want to put so much faith in law and civic procedures then surely you should not even be on here arguing about the verdict.

You're argument works both ways, if you expect everyone to follow the law then you should respect the decision of that system whether you agree or not, no? You claim that these guards did not follow the law, which is wrong. However by being on here, second guessing the outcome of a trial result you yourself are effectively doing the same. That's not an attack on you. Just the way I see it.

I'd prefer if guards didn't go around smacking trouble makers up. However, I'd prefer much more for those trouble makers to be dealt with so that they don't have an opportunity to negatively affect my life somehow. So, it's really a case of the lesser of two evils imo.

Potential-Monke · 31-07-2011 12:09AM

Can't believe people are still arguing this. In the eyes of the law, the law to which we are all accountable, they were innocent until proven guilty. They were found not guilty, so they are still innocent, or even presumed innocent. They were tried and found not guilty. So it doesn't matter if the walls believe different, if people on here believe different, if the Judge believes different, they were found not guilty by their peers. End of. It doesn't matter if you were there and saw something that may prove otherwise, they were found not guilty. It may have been on a technicality, but technicalities win or lose cases. Not guilty means not guilty, and you legally cannot state that they did what they were in court for, otherwise it's defamation.

And there was a unanimous verdict on 10 of the 15 cases. That means all 12 believe them not guilty of 10 charges. Of the other 5, a majority verdict was found. A majority verdict is 11-1 or 10-2. Thats accepted because thats enough for reasonable doubt.

Also, is it not possible that the injuries were sustained through a lawful arrest? It's not possible that while being arrested he became aggressive and put it up to the Gardai so much that they needed their batons, and while striking him he put his head down, got a slap in the head accidently? Also, he said he was kicked into the chin, by a Garda in uniform, who have steel toe-capped boots as standard issue, and there wasn't even a mark?!?!?!?!?! I call bs.

EarlERizer · 31-07-2011 12:20AM

mconigol wrote: »

If any comment eve deserved a rolleyes it's that one. Godwins law is still good I see.

:rolleyes:

You're entitled to your viewpoints. The gardai were found not guilty however, so if you want to put so much faith in law and civic procedures then surely you should not even be on here arguing about the verdict.

You're argument works both ways, if you expect everyone to follow the law then you should respect the decision of that system whether you agree or not, no? You claim that these guards did not follow the law, which is wrong. However by being on here, second guessing the outcome of a trial result you yourself are effectively doing the same. That's not an attack on you. Just the way I see it.

I'd prefer if guards didn't go around smacking trouble makers up. However, I'd prefer much more for those trouble makers to be dealt with so that they don't have an opportunity to negatively affect my life somehow. So, it's really a case of the lesser of two evils imo.

Well atleast there's something we agree on.

I'm not 2nd guessing the verdict,I dont agree with it been the right one,thats just my taking on what happened,the thread interests me hence me been on here and given my opinion,isn't that the point of the place? or should everyone just be in agreement? would be nice but I think it would make for a boring read.

I may live in an uncivilised world,doesn't mean I accept it,not thuggery,war,deceit,exploitation or any of the other negatives you pointed out.I'll never accept uncivilised behaviour as "thats just the way it is"

worded · 31-07-2011 12:40AM

The thug had 30 convictions? How many did he never get caught for - 30ish?
How many did he get acquitted for 30 ish? So say he has committed 90 + crimes recently. 1 every week or two?

Fcuk him. He deserves what he got.

My name is URL · 31-07-2011 12:54AM

worded wrote: »

Fcuk him. He deserves what he got.

Darn tootin'. He had so many convictions that a batin' wasn't even good enough for him.. the damn scoooby.. I wonder where he is now.. oh, no wait.. he's in jail. Obviously said batin' proved to be ineffective in this case. The Gardai need to dish out harder beatings obviously, and waste even more time in court. This is the way forward.. the path to enlightenment and reduced crime rates.

Alternatively the retards could learn how to successfully prosecute repeat offenders.

You're paying the wages of these goons remember. The detection rate for robberies atm is less than 25%. A fcuking joke.

jimmycrackcorm · 31-07-2011 03:21AM

end a eknny wrote: »

eoin gaffney is not being paid by the public to uphold the law the gardai are. if the gardai and judicial system continue to show disrespect to people from working class areas then they can continue to expect disrespect from them

When you say working class areas - do you actually mean people from the criminal classes. pretty sure that this guy was never a member of the "working" class.

JEINKINS12 · 31-07-2011 05:14AM

end a eknny wrote: »

going by the majority of posts the jury probably didnt consider the gardai to be innocent more likely that they thought that he got what he deserved. which is a bit strange that they considered it is ok for the gardai to act like the thugs they are paid to protect us from

Going by the majority of posts ? Since when did posters on boards.ie become the all knowing in relation to the private deliberations of a jury. Truth is we will never know why or how they reached their decision.

BTW did you ever even consider that the 4 Gardai ARE innocent ? And that is maybe the reason the jury found them not guilty...

You seem to be entirely biased and convinced they are guilty.

Potential-Monke · 31-07-2011 07:55AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Alternatively the retards could learn how to successfully prosecute repeat offenders.

You're paying the wages of these goons remember. The detection rate for robberies atm is less than 25%. A fcuking joke.

You obviously have absolutely no idea. The reason the detection rates and conviction rates are so low is because this country is too soft on the criminals, and what used to be enough is no longer adequate, technicalities are found on a daily basis which have massive effects on cases and require hundreds of hours of investigation and evidence which can be thrown out of court on the smallest of technicalities. And even if everything is perfect, you have handicapped judges who are either a: too soft, b: anti-garda, c: couldn't care less or d: giving out crazy heavy sentances so that his friend presiding over the circuit/high court can have another few grand while the case is contested!

And if you're so perfect why don't you join up and show them how it's done. ****ing keyboard warrior. Don't post on something you have no clue about. :rolleyes:

FlutterinBantam · 31-07-2011 08:42AM

Ever think how much scrotes like this alleged victim cost the taxpayer?

How much did the trial cost, how much did his activities resulting from 29 convictions cost,how much garda time taken up by people like this.

And yet we have the bleeding heart brigade, the champions of the so called 'repressed' the so called 'disadvantaged' the so called 'working class', ready to spring to the defence of these people and try to take the high moral ground.

Working class my eye, most of them never have worked,never will work in legitimate outlets, and will never contribute anything to society, other than nefarious activities and will nurture a lifestyle of dependency with alarming sense of 'entitlement'.

Have these 'keyboard activists' no cop on?

MagicSean · 31-07-2011 10:07AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Alternatively the retards could learn how to successfully prosecute repeat offenders.

You're paying the wages of these goons remember. The detection rate for robberies atm is less than 25%. A fcuking joke.

Retards? Surely the fact that he had so many previous convictions means that he was successfully prosecuted many times? If you have trouble understanding that then maybe it's not gardai that are the retards.

As for your comment on robberies, I'm sure you can do a better job. I'm sure you can look at a grainy CCTV image of a masked man and identify him straight away. Because the only real ways to solve robberies are to catch them in the act or depend on CCTV and witnesses, both of which are usually useless.

Try thinking before you type. And if you don't know anything about the subject then don't write about it. Otherwise you risk looking like an idiot.

tayto lover · 31-07-2011 11:22AM

JEINKINS12 wrote: »

Going by the majority of posts ? Since when did posters on boards.ie become the all knowing in relation to the private deliberations of a jury. Truth is we will never know why or how they reached their decision.

BTW did you ever even consider that the 4 Gardai ARE innocent ? And that is maybe the reason the jury found them not guilty...

You seem to be entirely biased and convinced they are guilty.

Yes End. A kenny would like the jury to be picked from the inmates of Mountjoy it seems.

AudreyHepburn · 31-07-2011 11:59AM

end a eknny wrote: »

eoin gaffney is not being paid by the public to uphold the law the gardai are. if the gardai and judicial system continue to show disrespect to people from working class areas then they can continue to expect disrespect from them

And so he should be allowed to break it as and when he wants and in whatever way he wants? And the Gardai should be expected to treat him with respect?

The guy is a thug and drug dealer with 20 convictions to him name and he assaulted a woman. You cannot expect star treatment if that is how you act. His social status is irrelevant.

AudreyHepburn · 31-07-2011 12:01PM

Raiser wrote: »

I think we need to step back and look at this logically.

The verdict does seem to defeat all logic and warp established notions of what is right and that which is wrong.

12 of the accuseds "Peers" (ie. true peers - all named Anto who somehow found themselves registered to vote etc.) delivered a judgement so sound that they cried (?)

The 12 Jurors couldn't all have been locked in the Court Bathroom - Cause then there would have been nobody to beat up - I'd guess that they locked them up in 3 groups of 4 or similar.

I'd say whoever got to reason with them was almost defintiely on the verge of obtaining offical paperwork granting them permission to "talk" to the Jury and "convince" them to play ball.

I doubt they actually imprisoned they Jurors Mothers - Now thats just being silly..... I'd say they probably just threatened to!!!

This doesn't make any sense at all ?!

worded · 31-07-2011 01:08PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

And so he should be allowed to break it as and when he wants and in whatever way he wants? And the Gardai should be expected to treat him with respect?

The guy is a thug and drug dealer with 20 convictions to him name and he assaulted a woman. You cannot expect star treatment if that is how you act. His social status is irrelevant.

I think its 29 convictions and probably 100s more he got away with.
he assaulted a woman > he broke her jaw?

Well done lads. Justice served.

archer22 · 31-07-2011 02:48PM

worded wrote: »

I think its 29 convictions and probably 100s more he got away with.
he assaulted a woman > he broke her jaw?

Well done lads. Justice served.

justice served hahaha...no if Justice had been served the would all now be in the same cell.Gombeenism served..well done Ireland.Its now plainly obvious that you are a terminaly ill patient.

tayto lover · 31-07-2011 03:11PM

archer22 wrote: »

justice served hahaha...no if Justice had been served the would all now be in the same cell.Gombeenism served..well done Ireland.Its now plainly obvious that you are a terminaly ill patient.

So you are better informed than the jury ?
You are a sad person.

Phoenix Park · 31-07-2011 03:20PM

As a non-garda and non-criminal i am delighted with the verdict. I only hope they did in fact give him a good beating. Job well done lads and well done to the jury too.

charlemont · 31-07-2011 03:32PM

worded wrote: »

I think its 29 convictions and probably 100s more he got away with.
he assaulted a woman > he broke her jaw?

Well done lads. Justice served.

Was it a Bhan Garda he assaulted ? If so, What a coward. Sure we can all have a laugh at him now as he is probably out in the prison yard now getting mocked by the other prisoners for losing the case, Im sure the clown had dreams of all the compensation he would get, Flash car, Clothes, Hookers, Now all he can look forward to is the dole.

the bolt · 31-07-2011 03:52PM

carlybabe1 wrote: »

spoken like someone who has had the gardai at thier door a time or two before.....so tell us, were they heavy handed with you too??
Personally speaking, Ive never brought the gardai to my parents door, or I can tell ye this, it wouldnt have been them giving me the "hiding", they would have had to pull my parents off me, the first time. But then, I was brought up properly, my parents understood that kids no matter how innocent they may seem at home, can go off the rails, and they disciplined accordingly

Again, am definately getting a sense of "sack of spuds on the shoulder", Ive always found the gardai to be extremely nice and helpful, but then, I never went around robbing cars or beating people up....could there be a link there I wonder :rolleyes:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/gardai-locked-my-mum-in-bathroom-and-then-beat-me-2808222.html

Doctors later noted a bruise on Mr Gaffney's head, swelling to his nose which had been bleeding, bruising to the front and back of his upper body and a superficial laceration on his right upper arm when he arrived at St James's Hospital.

Hardly a severe hiding, he was aggresive towards the gardai, and I seriously doubt his mother stood there quietly, or asked them reasonably to leave her son alone. She was most likely hurling abuse at them too, doesnt take a genius to figure out she was hardly mother of the year. Lokk at the cat, look at the kittens

couldnt agree more. Its all bleeding hearts until you're at the mercy of a little sh(t like this whos terrorising you, your kids and half the neighbourhood

Eh I think you completely defeated your point that I highlighted above with the rest of the drivvel you posted. Is that good LSD

Yes indeed, which is why he failed to mention to the garda ombudsman that he had 27 prior convictions, the first in a long line of lies, and omissions

Any one want to take bets on how long it will be before hes back in the papers having commited yet another crime ????? Any takers, I'd say before xmas

are you implying that i have robbed cars or beaten people up?

end a eknny · 31-07-2011 03:59PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Retards? Surely the fact that he had so many previous convictions means that he was successfully prosecuted many times? If you have trouble understanding that then maybe it's not gardai that are the retards.

As for your comment on robberies, I'm sure you can do a better job. I'm sure you can look at a grainy CCTV image of a masked man and identify him straight away. Because the only real ways to solve robberies are to catch them in the act or depend on CCTV and witnesses, both of which are usually useless.

Try thinking before you type. And if you don't know anything about the subject then don't write about it. Otherwise you risk looking like an idiot.

he may have being referring to the fact that if you report an incident like a robbery to the gardai the usual response is that nobodys available and they will send somebody out when the culprit has gone and is probably in an alley shooting up your money

Gardai acquitted....

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