Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

J0hnick · 19-07-2011 10:41AM

Well, Guy's worst matchups from Super (Balrog and Honda) got a little better, his overall buffs combined with their nerfs make the match feel a bit more 6:4 in their favor rather then 7:3

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Unfortunately, his new worst matchups are looking like Fei Long (who was already 6:4 in Super) and Yun :rolleyes:.

The only nerfs Guy got was 10% less damage on Bushin flip and stricter timing on the medium and strong versions, he got nothing but buffs outside of that. Unlike Mokoto who shot from 3rd worst right to "best character in the game not from Hong Kong", its looking like Guy along with the likes of Deejay wont be moving up the Tier list any time soon despite their buffs.

FutureGuy · 19-07-2011 11:51AM

J0hnick wrote: »

...its looking like Guy along with the likes of Deejay wont be moving up the Tier list any time soon despite their buffs.

Deejay is listed as about an upper C character right now but I reckon in about 6 months he'll be a B. Deejay is often seen as an ultraless character (all top DeeJays use U2 but only the top top players like Akimo could land the mgu>dash>U2 consistently in Super) and therefore it's tough to stage a comeback with him. Until I started using the dash ultra, I wasn't using the U2 very much except in the corner or after a focus crumple. But with his improved dash, hitting this U2 set up is easier and more of the better DeeJays are using it now. Yes, Deejay got some buffs, but it's the easier dash ultra will allow him to win more matches and maybe go up the rankings.

In theory...lag's a b!tch

megaten · 22-07-2011 10:44AM

Dunno if this is the right place but what is the Arcade edition PC like? I heard that there was a bit of difficulty with playing it offline. There's CD key cheap on g2play so I was thinking of getting it to play online without paying for xbox live.

aeonfusion · 22-07-2011 11:47AM

megaten wrote: »

Dunno if this is the right place but what is the Arcade edition PC like? I heard that there was a bit of difficulty with playing it offline. There's CD key cheap on g2play so I was thinking of getting it to play online without paying for xbox live.

I dunno what you mean by 'difficulty'. I mean i've rarely had problems, the occasional bit of lag yes and during busy periods like past 5 pm or so you find that it's hard to join a lobby because there's so many people joining them, but i'm sure that's true of xbox and psn. When that happens i just make a match, 2 seconds later someone joins. I've even played in a few random team battles and "tournaments" on PC...just realized you said offline not online xD

Offline, a patch was released so all chars are available offline. Steam version never had any DRM. So as long as you can connect to the internet once to download the patch yer sound, no constant connection required.

megaten · 22-07-2011 12:25PM

aeonfusion wrote: »

I dunno what you mean by 'difficulty'. I mean i've rarely had problems, the occasional bit of lag yes and during busy periods like past 5 pm or so you find that it's hard to join a lobby because there's so many people joining them, but i'm sure that's true of xbox and psn. When that happens i just make a match, 2 seconds later someone joins. I've even played in a few random team battles and "tournaments" on PC...just realized you said offline not online xD

Offline, a patch was released so all chars are available offline. Steam version never had any DRM. So as long as you can connect to the internet once to download the patch yer sound, no constant connection required.

Sound yeah it was the features locked while offline that I was worried about.

Azza · 31-07-2011 01:46AM

Its been confirmed that AE will be getting a free balance patch on the home consoles anyway. I assume the PC version will too. Not sure weather the arcades are getting the update.
http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/7/30/super-street-fighter-4-arcade-edition-balance-patch-coming-l.html

Hoping for more Guile nerfs. :P

K.O.Kiki · 31-07-2011 01:48AM

Free balance patch is welcome.

Universal nerfs will not be.
(Universal BUFFS however will be embraced like Vanilla).

Doctor DooM · 31-07-2011 07:33AM

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Free balance patch is welcome.

Universal nerfs will not be.
(Universal BUFFS however will be embraced like Vanilla).

LOL. Kiki everyone moaned about vanilla when it was out.

That said I welcome a rebalance. AE is simply no where near as fun an overall experience as Super was for me (I don't just mean Guile, alot of characters I enjoy got a smack of the nerf stick).

Rob2D · 31-07-2011 10:39AM

Well I guess it works out different for everybody. For me, AE is a much welcomed change from Super.

Placebo · 31-07-2011 10:55AM

kinda ****ty on players with these constant changes but i guess this will be the last and final BALANCE patch, so it seems. Looks more like yun nerf plus slight changes to others just to make things fair, patch

Doctor DooM · 31-07-2011 10:56AM

Rob2D wrote: »

Well I guess it works out different for everybody. For me, AE is a much welcomed change from Super.

Well, both of the best players this country have (Stev0 and Cog) wish AE had never happened so I am going with them

ayjayirl · 31-07-2011 11:25AM

Dear capcom,

Nerf yun, yang, dj

Give ryu back his coward copter and vanilla DP.

.....and more guile nerfs, naturally.

Doctor DooM · 31-07-2011 11:27AM

As much as I could do with some of Guile's nerfs being reversed, it does suck people are going to have to relearn their characters twice in a year.

UberPrinny_Baal · 31-07-2011 12:42PM

ayjayirl wrote: »

Dear capcom,

Nerf yun, yang, dj

Whut?

Rob2D · 31-07-2011 12:43PM

More Gen buffs please:D

ayjayirl · 31-07-2011 12:57PM

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Whut?

Yeh, you heard me

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Doctor DooM · 31-07-2011 01:14PM

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Whut?

Someone can't beat my beast Deejay.

Kirby · 31-07-2011 01:17PM

Hopefully sim will get some love.

Arturo and Filipinochamp are great players and if they can't hack it with AE sim than scrubs like me have no chance. The srk sim forum is dead. Like completely dead. 4 posts in a month dead. Everybody just dropped sim. It's sad really.

Jun_DP101 · 31-07-2011 01:26PM

What a joke

Doctor DooM · 31-07-2011 01:29PM

Jun_DP101 wrote: »

What a joke

I'd rather a patch than deal with Yunnelcog much longer...

UberPrinny_Baal · 31-07-2011 01:35PM

Doctor DooM wrote: »

beast Deejay.

Whut?

ogiekeaney · 31-07-2011 01:56PM

Placebo wrote: »

kinda ****ty on players with these constant changes but i guess this will be the last and final BALANCE patch, so it seems. Looks more like yun nerf plus slight changes to others just to make things fair, patch

incredibly annoying when you forget which game you are playing with bison and input the wrong ultra 2 motion. thats just bull**** right there.

Playing seth is also incredibly confusing as he is almost a different character in the two games.

I would like to see blanka getting a few buffs.even some/any frame trap potential would make him a viable character.

Doctor DooM · 31-07-2011 02:32PM

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Whut?

Aj wants Deejay nerfed because my Deejay causes him huge difficulty since AE came out.

Misty Chaos · 31-07-2011 03:06PM

I want to see Yun nerfed like everyone else BUT I don't want Capcom to just go and rip his balls off either. I've being saying that Yun is strong, definately top tier but he isn't OP. All that is needed to be done reduce meter build on moves ( particularly his lunge punch or whatever its called ) and make a few of his moves less outside of Ex. That will make him fair.

I don't mind Yang though the same nerf to that punch can be applied to him as well.

Also Capcom, PLEASE make the hitbox on Juri's U2 bigger. You can take damage off of it for all I care but if that means it becomes a true Anti Air ( I'm talking like Ken's U1 if you miss the first hit if Juri hits a jumping opponent ), then I'll be very happy. Faster start up would be nice too. And yes, I know Juri has probably one of the best normal AA in the game but its still annoyying. It would also be nice if they make one of her pinwheels 100% safe and MAYBE make Ex-Pinwheel unthrowable on start up.

I actually don't mind if Bison's U2 input remains as charge, I've gotten so used to doing it now I can do it on wakeup and on reaction to fireballs as well.

Jun_DP101 · 31-07-2011 03:24PM

I've always wondered why they made yun so op, I thought they did that so they can make more money from a 2012 ae, now that they are making a free patch I can conclude that they are just a bunch of idiots.

The Hound · 31-07-2011 04:00PM

People will always complain. They moaned about Vanilla, then Super and now AE. Capcom made some of the dumbest nerfs. Im sure people will find a way to complain about AE Rebalance.

They didnt need to touch Ryus low forward.
They could have left tkcs in ae but the other cammy nerfs would or maybe have made her fine(sorry Chris).
Bison with anti fireball ultra is a joke, hate that s##t. Everyone has anti fireball something

The Nerf to Giefs green hand tipped it all off.
Guile got it bad too. Nerf to ultra is wtf & thats just to point out a small handful of useless nerfs.

But for me its still Vanilla>AE>Super

Sisko · 31-07-2011 04:44PM

Jaysus wth happened to SF4, I've yet to play AE - is there anything good about it apart from it being on PC? Can't all be negitive?

The Hound · 31-07-2011 04:55PM

Sisko wrote: »

Jaysus wth happened to SF4, I've yet to play AE - is there anything good about it apart from it being on PC? Can't all be negitive?

No, people will always find a way to complain. The twins are basically the best in the game is all. They are very hard to deal with.

Doctor DooM · 31-07-2011 04:58PM

Jun_DP101 wrote: »

I've always wondered why they made yun so op, I thought they did that so they can make more money from a 2012 ae, now that they are making a free patch I can conclude that they are just a bunch of idiots.

To me, it's following the pattern I was expecting, which is that AE was simply a grab for the 3S crowd, which from the fact Ramza is enjoying Yun seems to be working

But the 4 engine doesn't really suit that style of rushdown oriented game... so the rebalance will be a good thing to keep people interested for the next iteration.

The Hound wrote: »

People will always complain. They moaned about Vanilla, then Super and now AE. Capcom made some of the dumbest nerfs. Im sure people will find a way to complain about AE Rebalance.

They didnt need to touch Ryus low forward.
They could have left tkcs in ae but the other cammy nerfs would or maybe have made her fine(sorry Chris).
Bison with anti fireball ultra is a joke, hate that s##t. Everyone has anti fireball something
The Nerf to Giefs green hand tipped it all off.
Guile got it bad too. Nerf to ultra is wtf & thats just to point out a small handful of useless nerfs.

But for me its still Vanilla>AE>Super

I more or less agree with everything you say there (especially the Guile ultra nerfs- totally unneeded, wasn't an amazing ultra to start with, and Ryu ) but I prefer Super, mainly because ultra is weakened and I don't like the ultra comeback mechanic.

Doctor DooM · 31-07-2011 06:32PM

Sisko wrote: »

Jaysus wth happened to SF4, I've yet to play AE - is there anything good about it apart from it being on PC? Can't all be negitive?

Alot of characters received what a lot of people consider stupid or unnecessary nerfs. Guile got 23 nerfs in it. 23!

Ryu got nerfed. There's no way Super Ryu is OP.

Honda got hugely nerfed, and blanka's balls got nerfed pretty bad too. Gief's knockdown on green hands got removed, removing alot of his wake up game.

Many people were postulating at the time that capcom were listening to online whiners and just removed what was annoying to them instead of making changes which would make the game better.

To be fair, other characters are a good bit more viable- Deejay feels way more usable for me, for example. Seth got a little more damage and health at the cost of his sniper.

But the real problem is the return of the S tier to SF4.

Sagat was definitely more powerful than the twins but I see much more competant twin play and I think that's why they're hated so much. I'd make a guess that the sf4 series has matured so a much larger proportion of people have learned Yuns bs than got Sagats.

I'd find Yun fine I think if the command throw was Makoto'd and/or his meter buid was reduced. If you use ex command throw you can instantly build 75% after it with a combo off it.

But like, as much as I am saying I dislike him, I chose to play mid tier, I know the story. I'll develop tech against him or I will eventually use the king.

But I'd guess the overall response must be very negative for this to be happening- they're giving away something for free which will incur alot of design costs.

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