Feral children and their do-nothing parents

housetypeb · 30-07-2011 10:46PM

Seems to be an age old problem,but we are looking for solutions,yes sir, any day now.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato

Deliverance · 30-07-2011 11:32PM

To any intelligent adult reading this thread. Read 'lord of the flies'. It is an interesting read.

As for the above post about Plato... read an overview of Platos republic it is a socialist view that is amazing and somewhat disturbing. Plato should spark thoughts about ww2 and it's idealistic approach from it's benevolent instigator.

Go from there and read Moby Dick. This would take a lot of patience but the outcome and realisation is rewarding.

If you read the aforementioned works then you might have a different view by being educated and informed to a minor degree. Outside that natural intelligence comes into play.

If you dont have the time or inclination to do this then in some way you are part of the problem by laziness and uninformed opinion. But of course that is your right.

Everyone has the right to be ignorent. At the same time everyone has the right to be informed. Tis all about choice really.

Deliverance · 30-07-2011 11:32PM

To any intelligent adult reading this thread. Read 'lord of the flies'. It is an interesting read.

As for the above post about Plato... read an overview of Platos republic it is a socialist view that is amazing and somewhat disturbing. Plato should spark thoughts about ww2 and it's idealistic approach from it's benevolent instigator.

Go from there and read Moby Dick. This would take a lot of patience but the outcome and realisation is rewarding.

If you read the aforementioned works then you might have a different view by being educated and informed to a minor degree. Outside that natural intelligence comes into play.

If you dont have the time or inclination to do this then in some way you are part of the problem by laziness and uninformed opinion. But of course that is your right.

Everyone has the right to be ignorent. At the same time everyone has the right to be informed. Tis all about choice really.

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 11:39PM

housetypeb wrote: »

Seems to be an age old problem,but we are looking for solutions,yes sir, any day now.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato

"I used to be with it, but then they changed what 'it' was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's 'it' seems weird and scary"
Attributed to ABE SIMPSON by Simpsons Writers.

For god's sake, no-one's talking about generation gap stuff.

The fact is that there are a lot of kids than run around causing havoc unsupervised by parents who don't give a toss.

There are also a lot of kids who are well behaved/cheeky/whatever who are supervised by their their parents who care enough to at least try to teach them respect.

This thread is about the former group, not all kids, so please stop generalising and making excuses for bad behaviour caused by parental indifference.

Mike 1972 · 30-07-2011 11:41PM

Jericho. wrote: »

I would be very much in favour of conscription as a national policy. .

Im sure you would

Im also sure you are well above the age range it would be likely to apply to were it to be introduced,

Mickeroo · 30-07-2011 11:43PM

Deliverance wrote: »

To any intelligent adult reading this thread. Read 'lord of the flies'. It is an interesting read.

As for the above post about Plato... read an overview of Platos republic it is a socialist view that is amazing and somewhat disturbing. Plato should spark thoughts about ww2 and it's idealistic approach from it's benevolent instigator.

Go from there and read Moby Dick. This would take a lot of patience but the outcome and realisation is rewarding.

If you read the aforementioned works then you might have a different view by being educated and informed to a minor degree. Outside that natural intelligence comes into play.

If you dont have the time or inclination to do this then in some way you are part of the problem by laziness and uninformed opinion. But of course that is your right.

Everyone has the right to be ignorent. At the same time everyone has the right to be informed. Tis all about choice really.

I've read both those books(not the plato stuff though) and I have no idea what the point of your post is. :pac:

southsiderosie · 30-07-2011 11:51PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

No seriously.
The number of threads b!tching about kids is quite frankly unbelievable on this website. Shockingly so, in fact. I genuinely find it quite hard to believe that so many people could be so incredibly uptight, and furthermore that so many would advocate living in a police state where all kids are tarred with the same brush and there are mandatory curfews etc.

Don't know about you, but I'd rather live in a free country where the government keeps its nose out of people's lives.

But the irony here is that the government is more involved in people's lives than ever because some parents do not keep tabs on their children. Curfews, ASBOs and the like weren't seen as necessary when parents made sure their kids were home by the time it got dark, and kids were punished when they were caught by either their parents (or some other responsible adult) doing wrong. The abdication of parental responsibility has created a social gap that people are now demanding that the government fill, but frankly I think this is an impossible task: the police cannot be everywhere at once. In the end we end up with draconian big-brother laws, and in the meantime, there are still packs of wild 10 year olds roaming around unsupervised in and around O'Connell Street at 11 o'clock at night. So nobody wins.

Archeron · 30-07-2011 11:55PM

Stig of the dump dump dump, stig of the dump dump dump. Now THATS ferile childer.

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 11:56PM

Deliverance wrote: »

To any intelligent adult reading this thread. Read 'lord of the flies'. It is an interesting read.

As for the above post about Plato... read an overview of Platos republic it is a socialist view that is amazing and somewhat disturbing. Plato should spark thoughts about ww2 and it's idealistic approach from it's benevolent instigator.

Go from there and read Moby Dick. This would take a lot of patience but the outcome and realisation is rewarding.

If you read the aforementioned works then you might have a different view by being educated and informed to a minor degree. Outside that natural intelligence comes into play.

If you dont have the time or inclination to do this then in some way you are part of the problem by laziness and uninformed opinion. But of course that is your right.

Everyone has the right to be ignorent. At the same time everyone has the right to be informed. Tis all about choice really.

As far as I can remember, he gets into eugenics and stuff, breeding season for the population etc. I always thought it leaned more towards National Socialism rather than Socialism.

Not exactly pertinent to the thread. What are you trying to imply?

housetypeb · 30-07-2011 11:59PM

Kill the poets.

Kepti · 31-07-2011 12:09AM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Obviously you don't have an elderly relative who is victimised by kids to the point of having to move. Maybe you've never had your car trashed or windows smashed by lads having a laugh. Perhaps your kid hasn't gotten a hiding for no reason other than the young lads were bored. I've seen all this happen. Places destroyed. People terrorised. Property stolen and vandalised. The problem is extrememly bad.

A curfew on kids is far from a police state. By that logic a parent who grounds their kid is a prison warden.

Some kids acting out? Punish them all! Your curfew idea is beyond ridiculous, and that you would even suggest it says a great deal about the type of person you are. It's unbelievably heavy-handed.

Children and teens, the vast majority of which are not causing trouble, should be able to go wherever they want at any time of night or day.

edit: I realize that this is an emotional topic for you, but you've got to see that a curfew is not the way to go about solving this, even if it has appeal as the easy option.

Turpentine · 31-07-2011 12:41AM

Kepti wrote: »

Some kids acting out? Punish them all! Your curfew idea is beyond moronic, and that you would even suggest it says a great deal about the type of person you are. It's unbelievably heavy-handed, ignorant and selfish.

Children and teens, the vast majority of which are not causing trouble, should be able to go wherever they want at any time of night or day.

Do you think a 10-year-old should be running around by themselves at 11 o'clock at night?

Kepti · 31-07-2011 01:05AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Do you think a 10-year-old should be running around by themselves at 11 o'clock at night?

That's irrelevant.

I don't think the government should have the authority to tell its citizens when they can and can't leave their homes.

Turpentine · 31-07-2011 01:08AM

Kepti wrote: »

That's irrelevant.

I don't think the government should have the authority to tell its citizens when they can and can't leave their homes.

It's not irrelevant and it's a simple question, please answer.

Mike 1972 · 31-07-2011 01:19AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Do you think a 10-year-old should be running around by themselves at 11 o'clock at night?

Generally no

But that doesnt necessairly men that it should actually be illegal

Solnskaya · 31-07-2011 01:20AM

I for one apologise for the behaviour of my offspring, and promise, just as soon as I sober up enough and find some clothes, that I will come and get them out of your garden. Just hold up a cross in front of them, that or a large plate of green vegetables, either one ought to repel 'em in the meantime.

Turpentine · 31-07-2011 01:30AM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Generally no

But that doesnt necessairly men that it should actually be illegal

So everything is fine as it is?

Whose responsibility are they if they are running around at 11 o'clock at night? They are not legally responsible for their own actions.

What about a proposal that would require a child to be accompanied by a parent/guardian after a certain hour otherwise the parent/guardian would be fined?

Would you feel like that was trampling on your civil liberties?

Kepti · 31-07-2011 01:32AM

Turpentine wrote: »

It's not irrelevant and it's a simple question, please answer.

It is very much irrelevant, but I'll oblige anyway.

The answer is complex and situational. Do I think a 10 year old should be roaming a town alone at 11pm? No. Do I think a 10 year old should be able to cross the road at 11pm to a friends house? Yes. Would my 10 year old be awake at 11pm, if I had one? Probably not.

Turpentine · 31-07-2011 01:34AM

Kepti wrote: »

It is very much irrelevant, but I'll oblige anyway.

The answer is complex and situational. Do I think a 10 year old should be roaming a town alone at 11pm? No. Do I think a 10 year old should be able to cross the road at 11pm to a friends house? Yes. Would my 10 year old be awake at 11pm, if I had one? Probably not.

You'd let your 10 year old out a 11 o'clock at night unsupervised to go to a friends house?

Solnskaya · 31-07-2011 01:43AM

Turpentine wrote: »

So everything is fine as it is?

Whose responsibility are they if they are running around at 11 o'clock at night? They are not legally responsible for their own actions.

What about a proposal that would require a child to be accompanied by a parent/guardian after a certain hour otherwise the parent/guardian would be fined?

Would you feel like that was trampling on your civil liberties?

I agree fully. My 40 year old neighbour has developed an unhealthy interest in mini-marathoning and is often out running around at 11 at night. This is making me feel guilty about just sitting in drinking beer and eating pizza, so i will ring my kids(wherever the rascals are)and see if they can put manners on him. That's if they aren't too busy shoplifting or whatever kids do these days.

Kepti · 31-07-2011 01:56AM

Turpentine wrote: »

You'd let your 10 year old out a 11 o'clock at night unsupervised to go to a friends house?

Well, I said it was across the road, and in this hypothetical, I live in the country and the house across the road is the only other one for miles. Oh and my child would have to be sleepwalking, because had you actually read and comprehended my post you would see that I said that they would probably be in bed before 11.

Even if letting my sleepwalking child cross the road at night makes me a terrible parent worthy of scorn and derision, that doesn't change the fact that it should not be illegal.

Show Time · 31-07-2011 02:03AM

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Parenting education should be compulsory.

Any old idiots can become parents but you need a license for a dog in most parts of the world.
My own view is with the parents of unruly brats threaten them with fines if the demon spawn act up and if the fines have no luck in controlling the little dears then some time in a junior lock up should be dished out.

Turpentine · 31-07-2011 02:06AM

Kepti wrote: »

Well, I said it was across the road, and in this hypothetical, I live in the country and the house across the road is the only other one for miles. Oh and my child would have to be sleepwalking, because had you actually read and comprehended my post you would see that I said that they would probably be in bed before 11.

Even if letting my sleepwalking child cross the road at night makes me a terrible parent worthy of scorn and derision, that doesn't change the fact that it should not be illegal.

I know you said your hypothetical child was asleep before 11. My question was whether you'd hypothetically let them out unsupervised at 11.

So your point is that there is nothing wrong with children running around at 11 o'clock unsupervised.

Though they are not legally responsible for their own actions they should be allowed do as they will, with no repercussions for anyone other than those whose property they could hypothetically damage.

Any peril they may encounter is as a result of their own free (10-year-old) will.

That is your point am I right?

Kepti · 31-07-2011 03:56AM

Turpentine wrote: »

I know you said your hypothetical child was asleep before 11. My question was whether you'd hypothetically let them out unsupervised at 11.

So your point is that there is nothing wrong with children running around at 11 o'clock unsupervised.

Though they are not legally responsible for their own actions they should be allowed do as they will, with no repercussions for anyone other than those whose property they could hypothetically damage.

Any peril they may encounter is as a result of their own free (10-year-old) will.

That is your point am I right?

No, not at all. In fact, I'd like to nominate you for an award for point-missing. I've stated my point twice already, would you like it a third time? How many repetitions does it usually take? If you let me know, I can save some time by writing it multiple times in the next post.

hatrickpatrick · 31-07-2011 04:39AM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Obviously you don't have an elderly relative who is victimised by kids to the point of having to move. Maybe you've never had your car trashed or windows smashed by lads having a laugh. Perhaps your kid hasn't gotten a hiding for no reason other than the young lads were bored. I've seen all this happen. Places destroyed. People terrorised. Property stolen and vandalised. The problem is extrememly bad.

A curfew on kids is far from a police state. By that logic a parent who grounds their kid is a prison warden.

No. Crappy analogy. Kids get grounded for a reason, ie when they have actually done something wrong. A blanket curfew on all teenagers because some of them are w@nkers is exactly what I said, a police state.

hatrickpatrick · 31-07-2011 04:46AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Do you think a 10-year-old should be running around by themselves at 11 o'clock at night?

Sure, because a 10 year old running around by themselves at night is the same as a 16 year old having a night time birthday party.
*facepalm*

Teenagers =/= kids. You simply cannot apply a blanket rule from "10 to 17 years old" or whatever it was you said. I don't think I've ever read such an unbelievably stupid remark on boards.

Jericho. · 31-07-2011 06:05AM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Im sure you would

Im also sure you are well above the age range it would be likely to apply to were it to be introduced,

Indeed I am but I would gladly do it anyways. I genuinely believe that people could gain from it. I'm sure I would gain from it myself.

southsiderosie · 31-07-2011 08:59AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

No. Crappy analogy. Kids get grounded for a reason, ie when they have actually done something wrong. A blanket curfew on all teenagers because some of them are w@nkers is exactly what I said, a police state.

I grew up in a city with a curfew, but I think the age limit was 16. It wasn't universally applied, but if a police officer saw a pack of kids running around at 11:30 at night on a Tuesday, and there weren't any adults around, they had the right to pick you up, bring you home, and fine the parents.

It's not about having a police state, it's about the fact that you have moronic parents who let their young kids out at all hours of the night (especially during the summertime), and without the law, if the cops picked them up and brought them home, half of these morons would get mad at the cops, not the kids.

Mike 1972 · 31-07-2011 11:02AM

Jericho. wrote: »

Indeed I am but I would gladly do it anyways. I genuinely believe that people could gain from it. I'm sure I would gain from it myself.

So why havent you volunteered then ?

Crazy Horse 6 · 31-07-2011 11:11AM

It all comes from the top down. When these type of people see the bankers,political class,elites etc... get away with daylight robbery and the raping of a country and not a single one gets locked up that enables them to act in kind and do scummy things. Not saying it's right but it's a fact. Go into any Dublin inner city area and you can see the problems on the ground. Todays feral children will become the parents of feral kids in the coming years and the problem will go on and on.

Feral children and their do-nothing parents

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