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Feral children and their do-nothing parents

  • 30-07-2011 04:35PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭


    While cutting down swings or shooting at children in your back garden may be extreme, it seems like people are increasingly fed up with feral children whose parents refuse to impose any kind of discipline or control on them. Kids have always gotten themselves into trouble, but it seems like today the parents are not only unwilling to punish them, but in turn put the blame on anyone other than their demon spawn.

    If the parents can't be arsed, and the police don't want (or need) to use precious resources on bad kids under the age of 16, what can be done? Especially since a good slap isn't really the done thing anymore?

    I honestly don't know what to say here; I've yelled at strange kids before, but these days (especially in the US) some of these little ****ers are liable to come back with their uncle's gun or something. Maybe the parents should be fined and made to do community service alongside their bad-ass kids - then they would pay attention...but it just seems like the government shouldn't have to waste time and energy forcing kids to behave and parents to care, especially since this kind of stuff used to be handled by the adults in the community without any complaining.

    What should be done about feral children? 417 votes

    Lock 'em up
    0% 0 votes
    Throw the book at the parents
    14% 61 votes
    Restore corporal punishment
    50% 210 votes
    Take matters into your own hands
    21% 91 votes
    Cower in fear
    7% 32 votes
    Atari Swinger Cutter 2000
    5% 23 votes


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    (insert sarcastic thanks whore comment here)


    I honestly couldnt think of anything sarcastic or mildly funny to say


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Squeeze lemon juice in their eyes when the parents aren't looking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Throw acid in their little faces


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Send em to the Vatican.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    Mandatory parenting classes? Junior ASBOs?

    I honestly don't know what the answer is, but there's a few here causing mayhem that I'd love to fire into a patch of nettles...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Jagle


    send them to church thatll learn the lil feckers :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Parenting education should be compulsory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    I know! Means tested child licenses. (With mandatory psych evaluation).

    /problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    boomerang wrote: »
    Mandatory parenting classes? Junior ASBOs?

    I honestly don't know what the answer is, but there's a few here causing mayhem that I'd love to fire into a patch of nettles...

    Here's the thing I don't get about the whole ASBO phenomenon: Why is the government stuck with the administrative cost of these kinds of programs because parents won't discipline their kids? Honestly, I never used to be a fan of corporal punishment, but I've seen a few kids who could use a good slap and a ride home in the back of a police car, rather than hundreds of dollars worth of administrative oversight because they are a little bollix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    chin_grin wrote: »
    Squeeze lemon juice in their eyes when the parents aren't looking.

    A noble idea.

    Personally though, I only usually carry a limited amount of lemon juice around, except on Pancake Tuesday when all bets are off.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Eliminate children.

    Old men are the future!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭CD.


    For parents who are getting benefits from their children and sending children out thieving have a 3 strikes deal.

    Child gets caught doing something wrong, benefits cut by 20% for a year, second time, another 20% and the year ban is extended to a year and a half. 3rd child benefits are taken away either for good or for two/three years.

    It would encourage shitty parents to do something. Though there will be problems with good parents who need benefits and children who are just shit but overall it would probably go a long way towards cutting down kids being sent out robbing and the like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Standman


    Community spirit is lacking in a lot of neighbourhoods, which does not help at all. There is a prevalent "us and them" attitude going around in many estates, and the problem of "feral" children could be more adequately addressed if parents were more open to civilised dialogue with each other instead of backhanded sniping, bickering, and worst of all violent behaviour towards children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Here's the thing I don't get about the whole ASBO phenomenon: Why is the government stuck with the administrative cost of these kinds of programs because parents won't discipline their kids? Honestly, I never used to be a fan of corporal punishment, but I've seen a few kids who could use a good slap and a ride home in the back of a police car, rather than hundreds of dollars worth of administrative oversight because they are a little bollix.

    Ah, I don't think a good slap is the way to go. It's not the little shits' fault they have crappy parents. While a rare percentage of kids are just bad eggs, the major problem is parents who have taught their kids that they are the centre of the world and that their needs, wants and gratification come first.

    I say punish the parents. I remember the hand wringing a few years back when the UK (I think) starting punishing the parents of truant kids. The hand wringing was hilarious. I.e. "I try to make him/her go but I can't force them to stay there." If that's the case you either A- have lost control and need to regain it sharpish or B - need to get the kid some help for their behaviour/emotional problems. To my mind, it's that simple. With very few exceptions, I find this looking to blame others for what your kids do/passing the responsibility a really lazy excuse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Some kids do need a bit of a slap or a kick up the hole, as long as they dont have the sh!t kicked out of them its ok imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    A lot of the time though the kids causing problems are not very big ones. Just constant little annoyances, I've ran some out of my garden before - they decided to have a picnic in my front lawn and were stamping their rubbish into my flower bed. Hardly guard calling stuff, but bloody annoying. Same with them banging the door during the day, I work nights so sleep during the day, I don't want my cars washed, I don't want to see your play and I don't care if someone called you a name. Feck off out of my garden. We could have had a nasty accident in our garden there a few days ago because of a very young child out unsupervised. And as for their road sense :eek: it's madness.

    This whole "kids will be kids" mentality - yeah YOUR kids, they're not mine.

    THEN to add insult to injury some parents decided to have an estate cleaning day and dropped notes into all of the houses saying "We ALL have to live in the estate, so we ALL should clean it" in bright red letters. The day I have kids and let them leave rubbish all over the estate is the day I'll go and clean it up. If you want a tidy estate, watch your filthy children and what they are doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Either your kids are "demon spawn " or you're a child -beating monster. Who'd be a parent these days?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    In order to get tubes untied/vasectomy reversed potential parents would have to raise 3 guide dogs and a baby orangutan first.
    If they can handle that they can handle a child.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,976 ✭✭✭amacca


    I refuse to vote if theres no atari jaguar option!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Either your kids are "demon spawn " or you're a child -beating monster. Who'd be a parent these days?

    Not really. I'm not sure if you're being flippant but there's a perfectly useful middle ground* in between.












    *Just don't put a swing on it or teh gayz will get you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    biko wrote: »
    In order to get tubes untied/vasectomy reversed potential parents would have to raise 3 guide dogs and a baby orangutan first.
    If they can handle that they can handle a child.

    Let other species raise their own young.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    amacca wrote: »
    I refuse to vote if theres no atari jaguar option!

    + (i wish you could vote for more than one option because I'm in favor of all the first four options in this poll to run concurrently)

    You should be able to vote for more than one? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Some kids do need a bit of a slap or a kick up the hole, as long as they dont have the sh!t kicked out of them its ok imo.

    A good boot up the hole would go a long way to sorting some of those cheeky little ****s out!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    I'm sure we could get the gov to commission a report to look into the socio-economic impact of the cost effectiveness of educating waster parents how to properly educate their children about how not to be feral ignorant *****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,976 ✭✭✭amacca


    You should be able to vote for more than one? :confused:

    yeah sorry.....just discovered that there now.

    book throwing at parents and a bit of corporal punishment (for parents and kids) will do nicely ta very much


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Throw acid in their little faces
    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Some kids do need a bit of a slap or a kick up the hole, as long as they dont have the sh!t kicked out of them its ok imo.

    You're getting soft man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,976 ✭✭✭amacca


    I'm sure we could get the gov to commission a report to look into the socio-economic impact of the cost effectiveness of educating waster parents how to properly educate their children about how not to be feral ignorant *****.

    yeah I agree no more softly softly shyte, no more focus groups etc...punish punish punish and if they don't get the message punish some more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    Whispered wrote: »
    A lot of the time though the kids causing problems are not very big ones. Just constant little annoyances, I've ran some out of my garden before - they decided to have a picnic in my front lawn and were stamping their rubbish into my flower bed. Hardly guard calling stuff, but bloody annoying. Same with them banging the door during the day, I work nights so sleep during the day, I don't want my cars washed, I don't want to see your play and I don't care if someone called you a name. Feck off out of my garden. We could have had a nasty accident in our garden there a few days ago because of a very young child out unsupervised. And as for their road sense :eek: it's madness.

    This whole "kids will be kids" mentality - yeah YOUR kids, they're not mine.

    THEN to add insult to injury some parents decided to have an estate cleaning day and dropped notes into all of the houses saying "We ALL have to live in the estate, so we ALL should clean it" in bright red letters. The day I have kids and let them leave rubbish all over the estate is the day I'll go and clean it up. If you want a tidy estate, watch your filthy children and what they are doing.


    You just sound like a grumpy fecker. ;)

    Nothing wrong with that though.


    Could you have seen this coming? Estate agents have a tendency to advertise the age profile of an estate, so if there's a few families with young kids, they'll play that up to other families thinking of buying. Eventually you reach a critical mass of screaming hordes. Obviously they'll sell to older people, and people without kids as well and tell them whatever they want to hear, so you need to ask your questions sneakily.

    My parents and siblings are off on holiday with friends and their young family. The kids are mental. And the parents are worse. Everything their kids want they get and their kids always come first. Spoiled feckers they are. I'm glad I'm not with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,372 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    If we're throwing the book at them then it should be a big heavy one


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    If we're throwing the book at them then it should be a big heavy one

    Don't forget the sharp corners.


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