David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

aas · 30-07-2011 01:41PM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Even laws designed to protect children?

Happyman42 wrote: »

That's pretty magnificent Irish 'head in the sand' thinking right there!

When it varies so much that there would be absolutely no problem with it in many parts of Europe I don't really see the problem, no. Does intercourse with a 15 year old harm them when they're in Israel but not when they're in Germany?

later12 · 30-07-2011 01:43PM

Biggins wrote: »

Please show JUST ONCE then where and/or when he has actually broken other countries laws!

He has attempted to interfere in criminal charges against an individual who sexually assaulted a teenager. He did this in his capacity as a member of Oireachtas Eireann, using Oireachtas channels. Does that strike you as remotely acceptable? Does that not strike you as overstepping a mark? What would you say if a Fianna Failer did this?

Biggins · 30-07-2011 01:44PM

My name is URL wrote: »

He wasn't trying to get him off the hook.. he was appealing for leniency to be shown in the case.

The reasons Israel have decided to release these letters now is obvious, and they are not altruistic ones.

Sadly the facts won't stop others from spinning it into other fiction in their clear attempts to try slurring a good man - and such attempts say just about more about them and their mentality, as it does about their tactics.

goat2 · 30-07-2011 01:48PM

JRTJRT wrote: »

His ex partner, Ezra Nawi, and man he continues to have a close relationship with was convicted of having sex with an underage Palestinian youth in 1992.

It's good for Ireland that this man has pulled out of the race. What other skeletons would have been found in his closet.

if this is fact, he is finished, should pull out of race now, he is only wasting time and money on this, we have had enough of this ****e of young boys being raped in this country, and people not being brought to justice within the church, we are hardly going to vote for someone who is friends with a known child molester

Biggins · 30-07-2011 01:49PM

later10 wrote: »

He has attempted to interfere in criminal charges against an individual who sexually assaulted a teenager. He did this in his capacity as a member of Oireachtas Eireann, using Oireachtas channels. Does that strike you as remotely acceptable? Does that not strike you as overstepping a mark? What would you say if a Fianna Failer did this?

As stated already:

Originally Posted by My name is URL
He wasn't trying to get him off the hook.. he was appealing for leniency to be shown in the case.

If any Irish person was in a foreign predicament - be it your child or mine also - I would certainly hope someone from our own country would look at the situation and stand ground for them, plead a case for them and not just accept full automatic guilt!

If a FF person actually stood up for someone in what they thought was a possible viable cause - and we don't know the full legal intricies of the time, we are only now judging in summarised, less detail review - I sure as hell would have a bit of respect for them, for looking out for someone.
Isn't that their job also?

carlos D · 30-07-2011 01:49PM

Haha,just had to become a member reading some of these replies. I bet some of you were the same lameos calling Enda Kenny the new Martin Luther King last week,tears in your eyes as you recalled the bad olds days when we made excuses for people who justified and protected paedophiles.

You lot don't care about kids,you care about ideologies and power. David Norris, regardless of what good he has done, is a poor politician and if he were a priest or bishop would be hounded out for trying to get some dirty old man off the hook.

Pompey Magnus · 30-07-2011 01:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

He wasn't trying to get him off the hook.. he was appealing for leniency to be shown in the case.

The reasons Israel have decided to release these letters now is obvious, and they are not altruistic ones.

Well it doesn't say much for his judgement if he put himself in the position of writing to Israeli officials to be lenient to a man guilty of assaulting a minor. If he didn't think that could come back to haunt him at a later time then he can only be described as being incredibly naive.

later12 · 30-07-2011 01:49PM

goat2 wrote: »

we are hardly going to vote for someone who is friends with a known child molester

Media are saying that Norris was dating this man not only at the time, but following the sexual assault. Does anyone know if this is true?

Min · 30-07-2011 01:50PM

aas wrote: »

I would have no qualms with someone breaking the laws of an apartheid state like Israel. However, that's beside the point - you're still avoiding the fact that your problem with what he said was that he identified it as a grey area. How would you have responded to that question?

It is not a grey area, maybe it is for David Norris but for most people it is clear.
I would say one should respect the age of consent, not make out it is ok to break in certain circumstances.

Happyman42 · 30-07-2011 01:50PM

He may be a good man, but his judgement is woeful. He should consider his position.

carlos D · 30-07-2011 01:50PM

goat2 wrote: »

if this is fact, he is finished, should pull out of race now, he is only wasting time and money on this, we have had enough of this ****e of young boys being raped in this country, and people not being brought to justice within the church, we are hardly going to vote for someone who is friends with a known child molester

Not just friends,sexual partners.

alex73 · 30-07-2011 01:50PM

Heard that the Actual Recording of David Norris Famous interview is about to be released.

Not sure who true it is, but his campaign managers seem to have abandoned him.

Will this now impact his presidential race?

Morag · 30-07-2011 01:51PM

Oh look a won't someone think of the children poster.

Pompey Magnus · 30-07-2011 01:54PM

Biggins wrote: »

If any Irish person was in a foreign predicament - be it your child or mine also - I would certainly hope someone from our own country would look at the situation and stand ground for them, plead a case for them and not just accept full automatic guilt!

He wasn't acting on behalf of an Irish citizen though, he was using his office and influence to help a mate (and you claim he stands for change, sounds exactly like the behaviour of the current shower!).

And also how about considering the victim of the assault? Perhaps the family of the boy might not have been too happy seeing an Irish official attempt to influence a lenient sentence on the man guilty of assaulting their son.

Min · 30-07-2011 01:54PM

My name is URL wrote: »

He wasn't trying to get him off the hook.. he was appealing for leniency to be shown in the case.

The reasons Israel have decided to release these letters now is obvious, and they are not altruistic ones.

Yeah, imagine if a bishop appealed to the state for leniency for a priest who sodomised a 15 year old.
The people supporting Norris here would be singing a different tune.

goat2 · 30-07-2011 01:54PM

carlos D wrote: »

Haha,just had to become a member reading some of these replies. I bet some of you were the same lameos calling Enda Kenny the new Martin Luther King last week,tears in your eyes as you recalled the bad olds days when we made excuses for people who justified and protected paedophiles.

You lot don't care about kids,you care about ideologies and power. David Norris, regardless of what good he has done, is a poor politician and if he were a priest or bishop would be hounded out for trying to get some dirty old man off the hook.

carlos, who are you lot, now that the truth is out, i will not be even considering the man for my vote, micky d is my man

later12 · 30-07-2011 01:54PM

Biggins wrote: »

If any Irish person was in a foreign predicament - be it your child or mine also - I would certainly hope someone from our own country would look at the situation and stand ground for them, plead a case for them and not just accept full automatic guilt!

Foreign predicament? Are you for real? Sexually assaulting a minor is not a foreign predicament, it's statutory rape.

This man is not an Irish person, he is David Norris's former lover. David Norris used his position to attempt to interfere in a criminal case where his former or current lover was guilty of sexually assaulting a minor.

I would hope that any of our elected representatives - especially those who purport to defend the human rights of all people, regardless of nationality - would first seek to defend and protect the victims, not those who have committed sexual offences against such victims.

aas · 30-07-2011 01:57PM

Min wrote: »

It is not a grey area, maybe it is for David Norris but for most people it is clear.
I would say one should respect the age of consent, not make out it is ok to break in certain circumstances.

And what is the age of consent? By your black and white system, should two sexually active 15 year olds move from Spain to Malta, they're moving from leading perfectly moral lives to becoming child-abusing monsters. If a homosexual has sex while living in Iran is he suddenly morally repugnant to you? Will you keep me in your good books if I perform FGM on my daughter so long as I do it in Nigeria?
You're assuming morals and law are one and the same, and they are not.

Show Time · 30-07-2011 01:57PM

My name is URL wrote: »

He wasn't trying to get him off the hook.. he was appealing for leniency to be shown in the case.

The reasons Israel have decided to release these letters now is obvious, and they are not altruistic ones.

He would have been better off by far to have kept out of it.
Bottom line of it he was looking for leniency for a bloke who was messing around with a child.

Downlinz · 30-07-2011 01:58PM

Taking things out of context that the candidate does not endorse in the presented context is such a British tabloid scandal angle that doesn't quite work in the same way here. Its overstated how much people actually care about it. Most the care is care from people worried others will care, theres very little actual genuine concern.

carlos D · 30-07-2011 01:59PM

Show Time wrote: »

He would have been better off by far to have kept out of it.
Bottom line of it he was looking for leniency for a bloke who was messing around with a child.

Ah,it's okay though,Plato mentioned it in Symposium...so therefore grooming young lads is okay. Norris acts like he's so naive and just a nice big old teddy bear,he's nothing of the sort,he is to perverts what Bertie Ahern was to crooked bankers.

Biggins · 30-07-2011 01:59PM

later10 wrote: »

Foreign predicament? Are you for real? Sexually assaulting a minor is not a foreign predicament, it's statutory rape.

This man is not an Irish person, he is David Norris's former lover. David Norris used his position to attempt to interfere in a criminal case where his former or current lover was guilty of sexually assaulting a minor.

I would hope that any of our elected representatives - especially those who purport to defend the human rights of all people, regardless of nationality - would first seek to defend and protect the victims, not those who have committed sexual offences against such victims.

* It did supposedly happen elsewhere so yes... foreign...
* Mr Norris did look to see that all elements of the case were carefully examined - would anyone expect anything less from a possible partner?
* Did Norris ask for the man to get released?
* As the man was also it appears, a thorn in the side of Israel don't forget, yet again could any partner not try to see that all aspects of the case were under clear spotlight and not brushed over for the sake of a nations government trying to shove one more person away in a cell all too quick?

Originally Posted by later10
...David Norris used his position to attempt to interfere in a criminal case where his former or current lover was guilty

* Did he actually use his position? Did he actually state "I am a political Irish representative" (or words to that effect) at the time?
* Did he actually interfere (and where has this been proven? Evidence?) or did he ask for certain aspects to be examined?

For some here rushing to find Norris actually proven guilty of something - we have yet to the clear proof from them!
...Until then its just unfounded opinion being spun as fact!

alex73 · 30-07-2011 02:00PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Taking things out of context that the candidate does not endorse in the presented context is such a British tabloid scandal angle that doesn't quite work in the same way here. Its overstated how much people actually care about it. Most the care is care from people worried others will care, theres very little actual genuine concern.

I suppose once we hear his own words for ourselves we can put them exactly in context and make our own minds up.

aas · 30-07-2011 02:02PM

later10 wrote: »

This man is not an Irish person, he is David Norris's former lover. David Norris used his position to attempt to interfere in a criminal case where his former or current lover was guilty

I wish this was the crux of the matter. This was unambiguously the wrong thing to do. Unfortunately the hysteria is going to be on what the case was about.

Absurdum · 30-07-2011 02:03PM

Norris' silence is deafening.

He's finished imo.

carlos D · 30-07-2011 02:04PM

aas wrote: »

I wish this was the crux of the matter. This was unambiguously the wrong thing to do. Unfortunately the hysteria is going to be on what the case was about.

Yeah,because Norris has unneccessarily harped on about the philosophical benefits of pedastry,honest to God,whether you like him or not,you can't honestly think that a man who is running to be President of a country with all the problems that we have now should be talking about pedastry if he wants to be elected.He's totally out of touch.

Pompey Magnus · 30-07-2011 02:07PM

Absurdum wrote: »

Norris' silence is deafening.

He's finished imo.

He won't get elected now. The more relevant question is will he be able to continue as a Senator?

efb · 30-07-2011 02:07PM

If this is proven to be true, it is a deal breaker for me. It is wrong and he shouldnt have done it.

No doubt some will use this as a stick to beat homosexuality with.

30-07-2011 02:08PM

Biggins wrote: »

My name is URL wrote: »

That's unreal. Trust that lot to sink to such levels in order to stop a possible dissenter from getting into power. Scumbags

Yep and you will find those that spit venom on the likes of the Mail, will amazingly when it convenient to their oft times hidden reasons, quietly turn tail and try use their garbage to slur/attack what is a genuinely good man.!

Norris in my opinion is FAR from a good man

Wompa1 · 30-07-2011 02:08PM

7Sins wrote: »

I hope he doesn't pull out over this

He should never have been in the boy in the first place...hehe

In all seriousness though, I didn't like his interview about the old Greek boy rape, then his reaction to it when it was being brought up was pretty lame. I don't know much about what's going on now, haven't seen a full story just that two of his key campaigners have quit...

I'm of the mind set that people can stick their leniency up their arse and can't play the it's different in other countries card. Like the people who got arrested for having sex in public in Dubai or my friend who J Walked in the states. Obey the laws, if you break them take your punishment and be respectful of that nation. If you don't like it then don't go there. I have to go to Germany for a wedding in a few weeks. It will be interesting for to see his own reaction.

I'll guess he will distance himself from the guy and say he disagreed with the law or some ****e, that there's some grey area. Either way it'll be something cowardly. I won't be voting for him. He's no better than any politician in my eyes. F'k him!

David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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