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David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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  • #2282
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Min wrote: »
    The Irish Times and it is not a witch hunt.

    What is it then.. dragging up a story that's 20 years old and which Norris has nothing to do with?


  • #2283
    paddyandy
    Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    A vote for norris is approval for what he does and a clear marker on a new boundry.If he gets in i will be looking for a new party to take ireland in a very different direction altogether.Then these will have been the good old days.


  • #2284
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    My name is URL wrote: »
    What is it then.. dragging up a story that's 20 years old and which Norris has nothing to do with?

    When on the Pat Kenny show in the past couple of weeks, David Norris was asked if there was anything from his past that would likely cause scandal or controversy.
    David replied 'No', there was nothing.

    If someone wants to be president, the first citizen of this country, there is no room for anyone wanting the job to hide stuff from the public. It is clear that people within Norris's own team did not know that when David Norris was in a relationship with Ezra Nawi, that Ezra Nawi committed a sexual offense against a minor.

    David Norris's partner had sex with a teenager one year below the age of consent.
    This is what David Norris said about the age of consent: ‘The issue of the age of consent was not as black and white as people suggested. Where two people are having sexual relations and one is marginally below the legal age, the judiciary should have the power to examine what he called the principle of consent involved in the relationship'.


  • #2285
    aas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭aas


    Min wrote: »
    David Norris's partner had sex with a teenager one year below the age of consent.
    This is what David Norris said about the age of consent: ‘The issue of the age of consent was not as black and white as people suggested. Where two people are having sexual relations and one is marginally below the legal age, the judiciary should have the power to examine what he called the principle of consent involved in the relationship'.
    What should he have said? That countries like Germany with a slightly lower age are morally bankrupt?


  • #2286
    Sonnenblumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    History bites back, result: journey's end.


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  • #2287
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Min wrote: »
    When on the Pat Kenny show in the past couple of weeks, David Norris was asked if there was anything from his past that would likely cause scandal or controversy.
    David replied 'No', there was nothing.

    If someone wants to be president, the first citizen of this country, there is no room for anyone wanting the job to hide stuff from the public. It is clear that people within Norris's own team did not know that when David Norris was in a relationship with Ezra Nawi, that Ezra Nawi committed a sexual offense against a minor.

    David Norris's partner had sex with a teenager one year below the age of consent.
    This is what David Norris said about the age of consent: ‘The issue of the age of consent was not as black and white as people suggested. Where two people are having sexual relations and one is marginally below the legal age, the judiciary should have the power to examine what he called the principle of consent involved in the relationship'.

    I really don't see the major issue with any of that.


  • #2288
    7Sins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 526 ✭✭✭7Sins


    I hope he doesn't pull out over this :(


  • #2289
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    I don't think he is cut out for the office of president.


  • #2290
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    aas wrote: »
    What should he have said? That countries like Germany with a slightly lower age are morally bankrupt?
    My name is URL wrote: »
    I really don't see the major issue with any of that.

    The law has an age of consent, Ezra Nawi broke it in the jurisdiction of Israel when he was with David Norris, a man who dismisses the age of consent and one sees no major issue.
    I am sure it would be if it had been your child. Nawi is 59 years old now, so he was about 40 years old when he had sex with a 15 year old boy and you see no major issue with that.

    When did David Norris and Ezra Nawi break up?


  • #2291
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Min wrote: »
    The law has an age of consent, Ezra Nawi broke it in the jurisdiction of Israel when he was with David Norris, a man who dismisses the age of consent and one sees no major issue.
    I am sure it would be if it had been your child. Nawi is 59 years old now, so he was about 40 years old when he had sex with a 15 year old boy and you see no major issue with that.

    When did David Norris and Ezra Nawi break up?

    I don't know when they broke up.

    The point Norris made is that it's not always black & white, and he's spot on. It's just some arbitrary rule which does not take into account the free will of those involved. In some countries the age of consent is 13, and in others it's illegal to have sex outside of marriage regardless of age.. so who has it right?


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  • #2292
    aas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭aas


    Min wrote: »
    The law has an age of consent, Ezra Nawi broke it in the jurisdiction of Israel when he was with David Norris, a man who dismisses the age of consent and one sees no major issue.
    I am sure it would be if it had been your child. Nawi is 59 years old now, so he was about 40 years old when he had sex with a 15 year old boy and you see no major issue with that.

    When did David Norris and Ezra Nawi break up?

    Again, what should he have said? When the age of consent varies from 13 to 18 in Western Europe alone, how can it ever be described as a black and white issue? I think his restraint in not marking nearby nations such as Spain (age of consent 13) and Germany (14) as havens for pedophiles is was quite presidential of him.


  • #2293
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not so much a smear campaign but nore of a mirror being held in front of the antics of a purpously controversial figure. It was a joke that he was running in the first place in my opinion


    Is it as big a joke as this country voting in a man as it's leader who had been sacked from his Government post years earlier due to allegeded involvement in importing arms for the IRA?


    Or the constant voting in of various individuals with very chequered pasts in relation to financial irregularities or those who lied in courts of law and then still got voted back in?


    Or is the higher moral ground just used against people who have a link to someone else who broke the law rather than against people who broke the law themselves?

    If I remember right, when Norris was asked about what his friend/partner/ex partner, he was also asked about the legal age of consent in other European countries like Germany. So if Norris have come out and condemned publicly what his partner/ex partner did, I have no doubt that his words would then be turned into having been an attack on Germany and other European countries with a lower age of consent than here. Then we would be looking at headlines of how Norris is not EU firendly/savvy.


  • #2294
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I don't know when they broke up.

    The point Norris made is that it's not always black & white, and he's spot on. It's just some arbitrary rule which does not take into account the free will of those involved. In some countries the age of consent is 13, and in others it's illegal to have sex outside of marriage regardless of age.. so who has it right?

    Yeah and on Morning Ireland he argued about it being teenagers, not his 40 year partner sleeping with 15 year olds and apparently the 15 year boy wasn't the only underage boy Nawi had sex with and there are accusations out there that Norris knew about Nawi and underage sex with other boys.

    While trying to find out when they broke up I came across this:
    Nawi is a plumber by profession but also a political agitator. Few are aware that Nawi was convicted of sodomizing an underage Palestinian Arab boy in 1992, as well as the illegal use of a firearm, growing narcotics and transporting Palestinian Arab workers who did not possess the proper permits into Israel. Nawi was given light sentences so as to not give him the status of a martyr among Israeli Anarchists and Communists. David Norris was certainly aware of Nawi’s history of intercourse with underage boys while they were a couple.

    http://thesystemworks.wordpress.com/


    Anyway isn't what David Norris's partner did no different to the priests who had sex with underage people and there are accusations out there that he knew about it when they were together.
    This is why it is a major issue.


  • #2295
    tayto lover
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    aas wrote: »
    Again, what should he have said? When the age of consent varies from 13 to 18 in Western Europe alone, how can it ever be described as a black and white issue? I think his restraint in not marking nearby nations such as Spain (age of consent 13) and Germany (14) as havens for pedophiles is was quite presidential of him.


    The age of consent does differ in many parts of Europe BUT you obey the laws of whichever country you are in. If its 15 then you don't have sex with a 14 year old. Its quite simple really. To use the "different ages in different countries" argument is a non-starter. A crime is a crime.


  • #2296
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    paddyandy wrote: »
    A vote for norris is approval for what he does and a clear marker on a new boundry.If he gets in i will be looking for a new party to take ireland in a very different direction altogether. Then these will have been the good old days.
    Well considering the huge pile of schite that Ireland has gone through the last few years and continues to go through in wrong policies adopted, corruption, abuse of Irish people, etc... if these are considered these the "good days", someone has their head up their arse in backward skewered, horse blinkered perspective!

    A vote for Norris is a vote for a change of direction - and if that takes us away from the previous even more - THANK FCUK!


  • #2297
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    aas wrote: »
    Again, what should he have said? When the age of consent varies from 13 to 18 in Western Europe alone, how can it ever be described as a black and white issue? I think his restraint in not marking nearby nations such as Spain (age of consent 13) and Germany (14) as havens for pedophiles is was quite presidential of him.

    As a legislator, you would expect Norris to respect the law of the land and not making out it is ok to break the law with his shade of grey.
    Different countries have different alcohol limits but you respect their laws.


  • #2298
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [/QUOTE]
    A vote for Norris is a vote for a change of direction - and if that takes us away from the previous even more - THANK FCUK![/Quote]

    What a ridiculous statement. I genuinely dont know where to begin


  • #2299
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Listening to SaturdayView on RTE1.

    Apparently the Israeli embassy leaked letters to the campaign staff which were set in the early 1990s to parties unknown from David Norris on headed paper from the Senate office
    asking for clemency for his former partner.

    The Mail on Sunday will be publishing the letters tomorrow.


  • #2300
    aas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭aas


    Min wrote: »
    As a legislator, you would expect Norris to respect the law of the land and not making out it is ok to break the law with his shade of grey.
    Different countries have different alcohol limits but you respect their laws.

    I would have no qualms with someone breaking the laws of an apartheid state like Israel. However, that's beside the point - you're still avoiding the fact that your problem with what he said was that he identified it as a grey area. How would you have responded to that question?


  • #2301
    Shane L
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Shane L


    The effort that has gone into the campaign to destroy Norris' reputation is astonishing. He still needs 5 senators to back him and I don't see that happening.


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  • #2302
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    aas wrote: »
    I would have no qualms with someone breaking the laws of an apartheid state like Israel.

    Even laws designed to protect children? :confused:


  • #2303
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    A vote for Norris is a vote for a change of direction - and if that takes us away from the previous even more - THANK FCUK!
    What a ridiculous statement. I genuinely dont know where to begin
    Good.
    If you don't know where to begin, then you obviously don't have a clue.


  • #2304
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    The age of consent in Israel for homosexuals was 18 this was only changed in 2000 to be 16 to have parity with the age of consent for heterosexuals.


  • #2305
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Listening to SaturdayView on RTE1.

    Apparently the Israeli embassy leaked letters to the campaign staff which were set in the early 1990s to parties unknown from David Norris on headed paper from the Senate office
    asking for clemency for his former partner.

    The Mail on Sunday will be publishing the letters tomorrow.

    That's unreal. Trust that lot to sink to such levels in order to stop a possible dissenter from getting into power. Scumbags


  • #2306
    Teclo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Teclo


    My name is URL wrote: »
    That's unreal. Trust that lot to sink to such levels in order to stop a possible dissenter from getting into power. Scumbags

    They should be thanked for saving us from having a nonce loving president.


  • #2307
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    My name is URL wrote: »
    That's unreal. Trust that lot to sink to such levels in order to stop a possible dissenter from getting into power. Scumbags
    Nothing about the fact he was looking to get his boyfriend off the hook for breaking the consent laws then?


  • #2308
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    aas wrote: »
    I would have no qualms with someone breaking the laws of an apartheid state like Israel.

    That's pretty magnificent Irish 'head in the sand' thinking right there!


  • #2309
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    My name is URL wrote: »
    That's unreal. Trust that lot to sink to such levels in order to stop a possible dissenter from getting into power. Scumbags

    That's right, blame the Israelis to distract from the main issue...they didn't force him to write the letter you know.


  • #2310
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    My name is URL wrote: »
    That's unreal. Trust that lot to sink to such levels in order to stop a possible dissenter from getting into power. Scumbags
    Yep and you will find those that spit venom on the likes of the Mail, will amazingly when it convenient to their oft times hidden reasons, quietly turn tail and try use their garbage to slur/attack what is a genuinely good man.
    As a legislator, you would expect Norris to respect the law of the land and not making out it is ok to break the law with his shade of grey.
    Different countries have different alcohol limits but you respect their laws.
    Please show JUST ONCE then where and/or when he has actually broken other countries laws!


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  • #2311
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Show Time wrote: »
    Nothing about the fact he was looking to get his boyfriend off the hook for breaking the consent laws then?

    He wasn't trying to get him off the hook.. he was appealing for leniency to be shown in the case.

    The reasons Israel have decided to release these letters now is obvious, and they are not altruistic ones.


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