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Gardai acquitted....

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  • #32
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    usernamegoes wrote: »
    Really, was amazing how the jury decided this. All I can see is that the jury decided that the victims deserved it.

    Yup, seems that as long as the Garda believe someone deserves a beating, then there's no problem with them administering one...


  • #33
    Venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Why does it say that several members of the jury were in tears, surely they should be emotionally unaffected by proceedings?

    The members of the jury crying seems very strange to me for a case such as this.


  • #34
    usernamegoes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    7Sins wrote: »
    Yea but in fairness, he deserved it

    He was a scumbag, but still, the Garda shouldn't just be allowed turn up in force and take turns beating someone in bed.


  • #35
    etymon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭etymon


    usernamegoes wrote: »
    He was a scumbag, but still, the Garda shouldn't just be allowed turn up in force and take turns beating someone in bed.

    and his ma didn't deserve it, even if she did rare a scummer :D


  • #36
    King of Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    the gardai deserved to be done with incompetance for not beating him more.


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  • #37
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    If it's any consolation they are guilty on boards.ie where all is perfect and the cream of society pass judgement behind closed doors and pulled curtains. The jury were 12 of your own, they weren't gardai. Pass judgement when you know the facts of the case, hold back on your predjuices in the meantime!


  • #38
    7Sins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 526 ✭✭✭7Sins


    usernamegoes wrote: »
    He was a scumbag, but still, the Garda shouldn't just be allowed turn up in force and take turns beating someone in bed.

    Ah yea but in fairness, he deserved it.


  • #39
    Magic Beans
    Closed Accounts Posts: 329 ✭✭Magic Beans


    RichieC wrote: »
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
    Nemo.


  • #40
    Richard tea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    It reminds me of the OJ Simpson case. We know they are guilty but they get away with it.

    Ps. the little scummer more than likely deserved it:)


  • #41
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    7Sins wrote: »
    Yea but in fairness, he deserved it

    This is the problem with people in this country.
    No one "deserves" it. No one. It isn't mandated by the law, it is a wholly inexcusable and impossible to justify act. The Gardai have no right whatsoever to do anything like this to ANY member of the public, for ANY reason. EVER.


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  • #42
    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Richard tea wrote: »
    It reminds me of the OJ Simpson case. We know they are guilty but they get away with it.


    or the case where the scumbag knocked down the garda in donegal and got away it with????:confused:


  • #43
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    If it's any consolation they are guilty on boards.ie where all is perfect and the cream of society pass judgement behind closed doors and pulled curtains. The jury were 12 of your own, they weren't gardai. Pass judgement when you know the facts of the case, hold back on your predjuices in the meantime!

    Aren't you a member of the Garda? Not exactly objective in your analysis I'd warrant...

    I mightn't have been in the Court Room, but I've kept myself up to date on proceedings on the case, and I think it's simply a matter of the jury deciding that they didn't want to ruin the careers (and lives) of the Gardai involved with a conviction. The fact that member sof the jury were in tears (WTF??) is, I think, testiment to this. The fact that people who were present at the trial were equally surprised at the verdict butresses my own opinion.

    I respect the gardai, and think they get an awful lot of undeserved sh!t from people, but I don't think this case serves justice in this state.

    Oh and by the way, if you don't want people to "pass judgement behind closed doors", then maybe you should stay clear of boards, and other, you know, discussion fora? Just a suggestion...


  • #44
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Magic Beans wrote: »
    Nemo.

    Take it to the Pixar forum!!:D


  • #45
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    usernamegoes wrote: »
    I sat through every day of the trial, albeit I did hear voir dire arguments, but excusing that I still would love to see the reasoning for the jury's verdict.

    Testimony was given by student garda that were there who said that they were unhappy with what happened in the Flat.

    The accused lied about even being in the flat, they pretended they had a warrant.

    Really, not sure what the jury was thinking.

    In all fairness, student Gardaí know very little about how things should be done.


  • #46
    Richard tea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    0O7 wrote: »
    or the case where the scumbag knocked down the garda in donegal and got away it with????:confused:

    Not aware of the case but I agree. sometimes scumbags get away with crime as do some members of the force


  • #47
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    In all fairness, student Gardaí know very little about how things should be done.

    Surely to God anyone knows that beating the sh*t out of someone while restraining others from helping them is ALWAYS wrong?


  • #48
    7Sins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 526 ✭✭✭7Sins


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    This is the problem with people in this country.
    No one "deserves" it. No one. It isn't mandated by the law, it is a wholly inexcusable and impossible to justify act. The Gardai have no right whatsoever to do anything like this to ANY member of the public, for ANY reason. EVER.

    I don't want to appear like an "uncool" cat now by not bashing the gardai but if they were found not guilty by a jury, doesn't that mean they were innocent :confused: and that the little scobie sh*t was lying :pac:


  • #49
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Surely to God anyone knows that beating the sh*t out of someone while restraining others from helping them is ALWAYS wrong?

    The students were outside the whole time. They didn't see anything that happened inside.


  • #50
    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Richard tea wrote: »
    Not aware of the case but I agree.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0204/mccallionr.html

    also the drunk driver in co limerick who killed the fireman ad garda....not guilty.

    maybe its more a problem with court system than with the people tried


  • #51
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    7Sins wrote: »
    I don't want to appear like an "uncool" cat now by not bashing the gardai but if they were found not guilty by a jury, doesn't that mean they were innocent :confused: and that the little scobie sh*t was lying :pac:

    I'm referring to all the people here who are saying "he deserved it".
    NO ONE EVER deserves to be treated that way. Regardless fo whether it actually happened, it absolutely sickens me to see people advocating violent assault on any human being.


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  • #52
    usernamegoes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    If it's any consolation they are guilty on boards.ie where all is perfect and the cream of society pass judgement behind closed doors and pulled curtains. The jury were 12 of your own, they weren't gardai. Pass judgement when you know the facts of the case, hold back on your predjuices in the meantime!

    I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting, that the verdict of the jury should be substituted for theirs but as a person that sat in the court every day (I am a law graduate, and attend courts to observe and learn, in case you think I went because I had a bias) I listen to the evidence, albeit I did hear evidence not put to the jury, but frankly that wasn't very useful anyway, and when the jury came back not guilty on any of the charges I couldn't believe it.

    I would love to hear the reasoning they had is all.


  • #53
    Bowlardo
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    What was the reason for garda beating up the "scumbad" what was he have meant to have done?


  • #54
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    7Sins wrote: »
    I don't want to appear like an "uncool" cat now by not bashing the gardai but if they were found not guilty by a jury, doesn't that mean they were innocent :confused: and that the little scobie sh*t was lying :pac:

    No, that's not necessarily what it means. It could well be that the jurors, like many people on the thread about this case a few months ago, felt that the scobe deserved it, and allowed that to cloud their judgement. They made a decision, not on the merits of the case itself, but rather on the merits of the people involved. The scobe was always going to come out worse off in such a judgement.

    That's my interpretation anyhoo.


  • #55
    MagicSean
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    Bowlardo wrote: »
    What was the reason for garda beating up the "scumbad" what was he have meant to have done?

    I believe the prosecutions case was that he had badly assaulted one of the Gardaí the night before.


  • #56
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    usernamegoes wrote: »
    I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting, that the verdict of the jury should be substituted for theirs but as a person that sat in the court every day (I am a law graduate, and attend courts to observe and learn, in case you think I went because I had a bias) I listen to the evidence, albeit I did hear evidence not put to the jury, but frankly that wasn't very useful anyway, and when the jury came back not guilty on any of the charges I couldn't believe it.

    I would love to hear the reasoning they had is all.

    Like a lot of other cases, we would love to hear the 'reasoning'.

    Justice done and seen to be done, get over it.

    Good call jury.


  • #57
    usernamegoes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    The students were outside the whole time. They didn't see anything that happened inside.

    Indeed, but were told by the accused if they mentioned what happened to anyone they would be convicted of being accomplices and lose their jobs and go to jail. So they weren't testifying to the events in the room.


  • #58
    Rawhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    There are times when people see beyond the rigid rules of law as practiced by the academics. The jury obviously realised that the little scrote got what was coming to him and rightly acquitted the accused.

    I will admit to being very surprised with the result though.


  • #59
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    I believe the prosecutions case was that he had badly assaulted one of the Gardaí the night before.

    As if that justifies anything other than arresting him?


  • #60
    usernamegoes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    I believe the prosecutions case was that he had badly assaulted one of the Gardaí the night before.

    No the defense said that. No evidence was adduced establishing that fact.


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  • #61
    mattser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭mattser


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    If it's any consolation they are guilty on boards.ie where all is perfect and the cream of society pass judgement behind closed doors and pulled curtains. The jury were 12 of your own, they weren't gardai. Pass judgement when you know the facts of the case, hold back on your predjuices in the meantime!

    +1. Good kick up the hole for our wannabe lawyers.


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