Five Gardai will not be charged in shell to sea tape

lastlaugh · 28-07-2011 11:25PM

Macha wrote: »

Doesn't matter that it was in private out of earshot. They were on duty with these women in their custody and they are frontline officers that deal with rape victims on a regular basis. It is NOT acceptable to joke about this kind of stuff. I don't joke about rape at work, my male friends don't joke about rape at work. It's not common, it's not normal and it's not acceptable for Gardai.

Here we go again with this 'Holier Than Thou' claptrap.

Who are you to dictate what is 'acceptable' for people to joke about in private?

My name is URL · 28-07-2011 11:29PM

K-9 wrote: »

No woman should make light of rape like those women did.

One shouldn't excuse the other.. the protesters involved are just as out of line as the Gardai involved, and the few people involved shouldn't really paint a picture of either side as a whole. It's funny how some people can say that the actions of one Gardai does not represent the sentiment of all Gardai, but are, at the same time happy enough to attack all protesters over the actions of a few idiots. Someone actually said that this is the reason why the left-wing in Ireland should not be trusted =/

K-9 · 29-07-2011 12:06AM

My name is URL wrote: »

One shouldn't excuse the other.. the protesters involved are just as out of line as the Gardai involved, and the few people involved shouldn't really paint a picture of either side as a whole. It's funny how some people can say that the actions of one Gardai does not represent the sentiment of all Gardai, but are, at the same time happy enough to attack all protesters over the actions of a few idiots. Someone actually said that this is the reason why the left-wing in Ireland should not be trusted =/

Indeed. Both camps committed wrongs.

Btw, I never mentioned any of the above. I think the American woman is a bit of a serial campaigner hence the rape comment, it isn't appropriate here, maybe somewhere else.

Must be a total cesspit there, so many agendas.

Finnbar01 · 29-07-2011 12:45AM

I've read this comment over on politics.ie and it sums it up for me anyway.

Ok, let me try and put it this way.

In my last job I worked on a team and we were implementing an IT project at the weekend. One of my colleagues needed the mobile phone number of our boss to give her updates on the status of the implementation. I told him to go to HR, as none of us had her number (she got a new phone). He came back a few minutes later and I could see he was upset. I asked him what was wrong and he told me that the HR officer reluctantly gave him the number and then warned him that he is only to use the number for strictly work based phone calls and not to make any nuisance calls, reminding him that she already has a boyfriend, who incidentally is big and burly . I suggested that she was only joking but I knew she wasn’t, as a few complaints had already went in against her.

In my book that was a low blow for someone to suggest that you are some sort of phone prev. We went for drinks after and I could still see he was upset. By now the whole team had heard what had happened and guest what? We started to joke about it. Making all sorts of crazy and rude suggestions on how he could 'harass' the boss. When we finished our drinks it was all forgotten about. Humour is a great healer.

Now imagine if you were one of the garda involved in the arrest of that protester and she (AFAIK) claimed that she was scared that you might rape her. That is a terrible accusation to throw at any man. Also bear in mind that you have worked with rape victims in the past before and know how devastating rape can be to the victim.

To me that is why they joked about raping one of them. That is the black humour that allows people to get over the unpleasant and sometimes sheer nasty things in life.

http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/166497-no-prosecution-corrib-rape-remark-gardai-20.html

jay93 · 29-07-2011 02:07AM

lastlaugh wrote: »

Here we go again with this 'Holier Than Thou' claptrap.

Who are you to dictate what is 'acceptable' for people to joke about in private?

Rape is not a joke nor should it EVER be taken as a joke especially from law enforcers who are supposed to protect the citizen's of this country from such acts

The ignorance of people on this thread amazes me Ireland and the people in it have become so odd its unreal at this stage.

Personally i've never heard anyone joke about raping anyone in my whole life these men involved in this should not be a Garda end of.

vampire of kilmainham · 29-07-2011 06:20AM

la de da de da de da de da de da sh1t STFU:(

vampire of kilmainham · 29-07-2011 06:26AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Who said it was faked? The article says that it may have been tampered with. That could mean pretty much anything really. I doubt it's fake.. didn't the guys involved already apologise for what they said?

just the usueal hear say ya get from people.....they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear [bollix]

vampire of kilmainham · 29-07-2011 06:36AM

jonnny68 wrote: »

Not an "uninformed rant" whatsoever, so the Garda Ombudsman carried out an investigation,independent body my ar*e and you believe that rubbish do you, without even looking into this i would bet any amount of money these "numerous prosecutions" you speak of would be in the vast MINORITY compared to the few that have been prosecuted.

Do you believe everything that is written in the media, do you believe everything the Government,etc,etc,etc come out with,Ireland is rotten to the core from top to bottom, the amount of lies,corruption and deceit,etc is astounding and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigger fool.

same thing all over the world mate

:(

HarryPotter41 · 29-07-2011 07:05AM

Macha wrote: »

I'm sorry. What part of your post actually refutes the evidence presented in the video tape of frontline gardai that frequently deal with rape victims joking about raping young women in their custody?

Oh that's right, none of it.

First of all, you said in a post that two out of two gardai cracked the joke, it was actually two out of four as there were four gardai in the car. Secindly, most frontline gardai do not deal with rape cases or victims on a regular basis, some of them never deal with a rape case in their entire career.Have you never had a conversation in private with friends and things have been said about others or about things that you would be mortified if it was known what was said ioutside that circle? if you haven't then you are the only one in this country.What they said was not clever, neither was the protesters standing on top of a tractor claiming they would have to be raped to be got down. Surely its much sadder that women would use the word so lightly in that context seeing that woman make up the vast majority of the victims of rape.

MagicSean · 29-07-2011 08:12AM

jay93 wrote: »

Rape is not a joke nor should it EVER be taken as a joke especially from law enforcers who are supposed to protect the citizen's of this country from such acts

The ignorance of people on this thread amazes me Ireland and the people in it have become so odd its unreal at this stage.

Personally i've never heard anyone joke about raping anyone in my whole life these men involved in this should not be a Garda end of.

You've never seen tommy tiernan or Ricky gervais do stand up?

They were laughing at the stupid claims made against them earlier. Nothing more. If anyone is mocking and undermining victims of rape it is the protesters who throw the word around so flippantly and claim to be victims falsely.

_feedback_ · 29-07-2011 08:53AM

SeaFields wrote: »

the shell to sea rep on said the detective garda's statement was a lie (he confirmed this exchange between the girls and gardai). cooper should have pulled her up on it.

In fairness to Matt, when she said that it was false (what the garda heard) Matt interrupted and said something like "hold on now, this has been given in an official statement to the garda ombudsman". She carried on to insist it was false. He can't do much about that.

jay93 wrote: »

Rape is not a joke nor should it EVER be taken as a joke especially from law enforcers who are supposed to protect the citizen's of this country from such acts

The ignorance of people on this thread amazes me Ireland and the people in it have become so odd its unreal at this stage.

Personally i've never heard anyone joke about raping anyone in my whole life these men involved in this should not be a Garda end of.

You say the ignorance of people amazes you, but you are ignoring the fact that (according to statements) the women were the first to trivialise the use of the word rape by saying things like "they'll rape ye" while arrests were being made.

They deny this now, so they obviously realise that it is not an appropriate way to use the word.

So can you realise that the Gardai were using that word as a direct result of what was shouted at them earlier, and they were joking between colleagues at the ridiculousness of the screams of rape that they had heard earlier.

end a eknny · 29-07-2011 08:59AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Wrong yet again Enda there were five present so its 40%.

so one of the 3 gardai in the back was videoing his mates making tits of themselves

Macha · 29-07-2011 09:01AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Get over it as you are not winning. The tape was doctored by the women's side according to Alan Shatter, read it on the news page. I already said they were wrong to joke about rape but these women were no angels as they were committing obstruction of the public road. Why are there no comments from them now about the tape ? The were very fast to comment before. Caught out it seems.

Not winning? What do you think Boards is? Strange.

Please explain how the alleged tampering invalidates the evidence.

WHo the women were is irrelevant but you've failed to explain why you think they were "No angels". People in this country have a right to protest, you do you think we should all sit quietly at home if we don't agree with something happening? Red herring again. I'll wait for your explanation.

lastlaugh wrote: »

Here we go again with this 'Holier Than Thou' claptrap.

Who are you to dictate what is 'acceptable' for people to joke about in private?

It wasn't in private. And your post is effectively an argument against any sort of standards at all and is therefore nonsensical. I am an Irish person on boards who is allowed to express my opinoin - get over it.

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

First of all, you said in a post that two out of two gardai cracked the joke, it was actually two out of four as there were four gardai in the car. Secindly, most frontline gardai do not deal with rape cases or victims on a regular basis, some of them never deal with a rape case in their entire career.Have you never had a conversation in private with friends and things have been said about others or about things that you would be mortified if it was known what was said ioutside that circle? if you haven't then you are the only one in this country.What they said was not clever, neither was the protesters standing on top of a tractor claiming they would have to be raped to be got down. Surely its much sadder that women would use the word so lightly in that context seeing that woman make up the vast majority of the victims of rape.

Actually I did not say that - please don't set up a strawman.

The gardai in question did deal with rape cases.

No I don't joke about rape with my friends.

Ray Palmer · 29-07-2011 09:18AM

elviscostello wrote: »

So can you realise that the Gardai were using that word as a direct result of what was shouted at them earlier, and they were joking between colleagues at the ridiculousness of the screams of rape that they had heard earlier.

This is the key bit people seem to be ignoring. The whole context of what they were joking about is radically altered by this fact. The jokes are a lot less childish as a result, they were making light of what they were being accused of. This could easily be to laugh of a hurtful comment.

Everything is fair game for a joke in the company of friends. I don't know anybody who would claim to be innocent of this. Some people find particular subjects a complete taboo but half the joke is it isn't a laughing matter. A Jewish friend of mine has said some jokes about the holocaust. They make rape jokes in the Simpson's when Side Show Bob is in prison.

Hannibal Smith · 29-07-2011 09:21AM

jonnny68 wrote: »

if someone threatened to rape your mother,sister or partner would you also consider it as "having a laugh"

They didn't threaten to rape anyone

mikom · 29-07-2011 10:31AM

A guard was quoted as saying... "There is no 362 in this hotel... sometimes the complaints will be false. "

tayto lover · 29-07-2011 11:31AM

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Get over it as you are not winning. The tape was doctored by the women's side according to Alan Shatter, read it on the news page. I already said they were wrong to joke about rape but these women were no angels as they were committing obstruction of the public road. Why are there no comments from them now about the tape ? The were very fast to comment before. Caught out it seems.
Not winning? What do you think Boards is? Strange.

Please explain how the alleged tampering invalidates the evidence.

WHo the women were is irrelevant but you've failed to explain why you think they were "No angels". People in this country have a right to protest, you do you think we should all sit quietly at home if we don't agree with something happening? Red herring again. I'll wait for your explanation.

They were "no angels" in so far as they were the people who initiated the introduction of the word "rape" in the first place as stated by detective in his evidence. They were also the people who were breaking the law by causing obstruction which protesters have no right to do. They tried to block roads and stop people doing their work. That's why they are no angels.

HarryPotter41 · 29-07-2011 11:31AM

Macha wrote: »

Not winning? What do you think Boards is? Strange.

Please explain how the alleged tampering invalidates the evidence.

WHo the women were is irrelevant but you've failed to explain why you think they were "No angels". People in this country have a right to protest, you do you think we should all sit quietly at home if we don't agree with something happening? Red herring again. I'll wait for your explanation.

It wasn't in private. And your post is effectively an argument against any sort of standards at all and is therefore nonsensical. I am an Irish person on boards who is allowed to express my opinoin - get over it.

Actually I did not say that - please don't set up a strawman.

The gardai in question did deal with rape cases.

No I don't joke about rape with my friends.

The Sergeant in question has dealt with sexual assault cases previously, the others haven't. The women were not in their "custody" as they were not in the vehicle they were travelling in. This was a joking conversation in private, while not in good taste, not a crime. The only thing in the custody of those gardai was the video camera which was recording what was being said.I never joke with my friends about rape either, but we certainly do say things that would put us in a bad light with our colleagues but its a private conversation between close friends so no biggie.

Bosco boy · 29-07-2011 11:32AM

Surprise! Surprise! I hope the gardai in question take legal action for defamation against those involved in releasing the altered tapes. Their careers have been greatly effected by this regarless and if it was me I'd be starting the process of a civil case today!

tayto lover · 29-07-2011 11:36AM

end a eknny wrote: »

so one of the 3 gardai in the back was videoing his mates making tits of themselves

Maybe you would read up on it. The recorder was seized and apparently was in one of the Garda's pocket. The conversation though very distasteful was for private consumption as a joke and not said directly to anyone. It is also alleged that one of the women protesters was the first to mention rape. Only two Gardai joked about the word rape and not all five.

mathie · 29-07-2011 11:43AM

What part was edited?

Was it when he touched her sweet can....sw-sw-sw-sw-eeeeeeeeet can?

Ostrom · 29-07-2011 11:56AM

Apologies if this has been raised already -

Caught the end of a debate on rte 1 yesterday evening (not sure who the contributors were).

The issue (apparently) is not with the with the specific video files implicating the gardaí. The camera was the property of NUI Maynooth and contained video taken in previous research. Spokesperson claimed the files were removed in accordance with their research ethics policy and no interferance was made with others.

Bosco boy · 29-07-2011 11:59AM

efla wrote: »

Apologies if this has been raised already -

Caught the end of a debate on rte 1 yesterday evening (not sure who the contributors were).

The issue (apparently) is not with the with the specific video files implicating the gardaÃ*. The camera was the property of NUI Maynooth and contained video taken in previous research. Spokesperson claimed the files were removed in accordance with their research ethics policy and no interferance was made with others.

Yeah! and my aunt would be my uncle if she had balls!

lastlaugh · 29-07-2011 12:51PM

Macha wrote: »

It wasn't in private. And your post is effectively an argument against any sort of standards at all and is therefore nonsensical. I am an Irish person on boards who is allowed to express my opinoin - get over it.

It was in private. Unfortunately the sneaky crusty ones left their camcorder on and then it became public.

I think the comments they made were quite witty in the context of the situation they were confronted with.

But I suppose you view my opinion as 'nonsensical' because I feel people should be able to joke with friends/colleauges in a stressful situation.

You are the one who needs to get over it.

My name is URL · 29-07-2011 01:11PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

It was in private. Unfortunately the sneaky crusty ones left their camcorder on and then it became public.

No, the pig ignorant and dumb Garda neglected to even check if the thing was on. That alone speaks volumes. Jesus christ, they didn't even look at what recordings were on the yoke.

lastlaugh · 29-07-2011 01:17PM

My name is URL wrote: »

No, the pig ignorant and dumb Garda neglected to even check if the thing was on. That alone speaks volumes. Jesus christ, they didn't even look at what recordings were on the yoke.

No to what?

Whatever your opinion is of the Guards is irrelevant.

My name is URL · 29-07-2011 01:21PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

No to what?

Whatever your opinion is of the Guards is irrelevant.

You said that the sneaky crusties left the thing on, as if they knew that the Gardai were going to start making jokes about rape. I'm just pointing out the utter stupidity of the Gardai involved. Between 3 of them they weren't even competent enough to check the videos on the recorder for potential evidence. If they had the sense to check if the thing was still on, then none of this would have come to light. Their own idiocy & ignorance is responsible for this whole thing just as much as any of the protesters.

lastlaugh · 29-07-2011 01:30PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You said that the sneaky crusties left the thing on, as if they knew that the Gardai were going to start making jokes about rape. I'm just pointing out the utter stupidity of the Gardai involved. Between 3 of them they weren't even competent enough to check the videos on the recorder for potential evidence. If they had the sense to check if the thing was still on, then none of this would have come to light. Their own idiocy & ignorance is responsible for this whole thing just as much as any of the protesters.

That's fair enough. Hindsight is a great thing and I'm sure it will prove an invaluable lesson to prevent future acts of idiocy & ignorance as you put it.

My main problem is people getting on their high horses and condemning the Guards straight off on moral grounds for what I see as a joke that was made between them.
All this 'I never joke about rape with my friends' nonsense gets on my wick a bit. That's all.

Freddie59 · 29-07-2011 01:40PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

eco-nobbers

Brilliant! Personally I have no time for these eco "protesters" They're up there with the shower who protest against mobile phone masts and power lines.

A joke shop the lot of them. The only thing the gardai did wrong was to leave the fcuking machine running - and then give it back. If they were to be charged with anything it should be stupidity.

Given the state the country's in, to see this type of carry-on makes us a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

the bolt · 29-07-2011 01:41PM

seamus wrote: »

Shell to Sea in "making up evidence to make Gardai look bad" shocker.

where is the proof that the made up anything?the gardai on the shell to sea dont need any help on the looking bad front.

Five Gardai will not be charged in shell to sea tape

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