Fas...is no more.

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what have you done for 2 years?

im sure if you offered to work for free for the last few weeks you have left you would have no problem getting your papers[/Quote]

Ive done courses that have taken 18 weeks off my time, currently waiting on another course that should leave me with 1 week left but the waiting lists are the biggest problem, waiting a year on some courses and then when you finally get the course thw majority are people there just because social welfare made them do the course. Id do new courses after everyone I finish but waiting is the problem, this one im currently waiting on, I signed up for in april and could be next year before I get it!
The last course I dine, 14 started it and only 2 others and myself did the exam at the end

Fianna Fas

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I wouldn't do the work for what little they make. What do you consider a large salary? 30K???

I wouldn't mind a day job for 30k.

But I was thinking more on the lines of the people a bit further up the chain.

S.C.R.A.T.C.H.E.R.

Faws

weefarmer wrote: »

what have you done for 2 years?

im sure if you offered to work for free for the last few weeks you have left you would have no problem getting your papers[/Quote]

Ive done courses that have taken 18 weeks off my time, currently waiting on another course that should leave me with 1 week left but the waiting lists are the biggest problem, waiting a year on some courses and then when you finally get the course thw majority are people there just because social welfare made them do the course. Id do new courses after everyone I finish but waiting is the problem, this one im currently waiting on, I signed up for in april and could be next year before I get it!
The last course I dine, 14 started it and only 2 others and myself did the exam at the end[/QUOTE]

I'd ask fas about working for free just to get those last few weeks out of the way. you can approach employers too about setting up a work placement check out the job bridge program its mostly a load of ****e but the odd good one appears but it doesn't matter, if you can get someone to take you on it might see you through your time

G2ECE wrote: »

Hetac qualifications at Level 8,9 and 10 are offered by 3rd level institutions. FAS offer predominantly Fetac Level 3-5 which is aimed at their intended client group, disadvantaged, low skilled, early school leavers etc. most of whom would not be at the required academical level for a university course. you could also say that the training allowances associated with Fas training courses attracts many people for the wrong reasons therefore denying genuinely interested people the opportunity to train. Back in the day when I was an apprentice learning my trade, I spent a full year there and recieved no allowance, i was so glad to get a chance.

To the Boardsie that called fas staff "retards" shame on you.

how long ago did you do your trade what was it?

i came out of my time in 2008 and finished a Hetac degree this year

trade wins hands down college is a joke compared to the electrical apprenticeship and im just talking about the off the job phases in college never mind being able to do the job in real life and keep it for over 4 years

im doing another level 6 with fas for electrical maintenance of factories and thats even harder than the apprenticeship academically. college graduates doing these courses more often than not fail or barley scrape by at best, tits on a bull be off more use really, your degree is worthless until you put a few years experience behind it.

there is alot of good things about fas and they have produced great people over the years, yes they target school leavers and sorts somebody should but the apprenticeship and engineering side is fantastic.

just in case people think because you went to fas your somehow intellectually inferior to a person who has a degree im sorry i have done both and couldn't disagree more

sparks24 wrote: »

how long ago did you do your trade what was it?

i came out of my time in 2008 and finished a Hetac degree this year

trade wins hands down college is a joke compared to the electrical apprenticeship and im just talking about the off the job phases in college never mind being able to do the job in real life and keep it for over 4 years

I completed my plumbing apprenticeship in 99, took 5 years in total due to being busy "on the job" I crossed over from the old apprenticeship to the Standards based and really enjoyed my time in both FAS and in CIT.
I too have since gone back to college, just finished my masters in 2010. I have first hand experience of working in training and education with FAS clients and IMO many of them would not be able for either the apprenticeship or Uni. The myth that apprenticeship is suited to non academics needs to be dispelled, I would agree with you that the apprenticeship is even harder, not only are you expected to complete your studies successfully but you also need to be profitable for your employer.

I realise things have changed in the last 10 years and to be quite honest the areas of growth with employment opportunities are probably out of the reach of many unemployed people because of their low skill level. It's a vicious circle and its very easy to blame fas staff.

doovdela wrote: »

That was then in the Celtic tiger boom but this is now the biggest recession of all recessions! An apprentice in trade/craft is fine with FÁS or hetac/fetac or a college qualification you still get to learn stuff but obviously its best to do a course where you can get an apprentice and get work experience from that. But anything else or any other course that doesn't involve that type of field then you are wasting your time with FÁS best to get a third level education if you have any chance of getting a job in anything else like teaching, nursing, medicine etc. There are a few areas in science or business, catering etc you could do with FÁS but you are limited, you wouldn't suddenly become a fully qualified accountant would you? Intelligence has nothing to do with it, its what you get out of the course is what you put in as well as everything else that comes with it. Certain courses are suited to third level while others are more suited to FÁS,

Fas dont do an accountancy program but if they did im sure you would be a chartered accountant as the course would have to meet the standards.

ya i would agree there is alot of courses with fas that are useless to be fair but not everyone is going to be a doctor, accountant or engineer and so these people have to be catered for and rightly so

there is alot wrong with fas but its more down to the management than anything else. they do somethings right is all im trying to say you cant paint the whole thing with one brush

"We are not as well educated or qualified as you, and we got our jobs through pull, but if you do not engage with us and follow our pointless, useless advice your benefits will be cut..."
Or "Useless Gobschites" for short.

G2ECE wrote: »

I completed my plumbing apprenticeship in 99, took 5 years in total due to being busy "on the job" I crossed over from the old apprenticeship to the Standards based and really enjoyed my time in both FAS and in CIT.
I too have since gone back to college, just finished my masters in 2010. I have first hand experience of working in training and education with FAS clients and IMO many of them would not be able for either the apprenticeship or Uni. The myth that apprenticeship is suited to non academics needs to be dispelled, I would agree with you that the apprenticeship is even harder, not only are you expected to complete your studies successfully but you also need to be profitable for your employer.

I realise things have changed in the last 10 years and to be quite honest the areas of growth with employment opportunities are probably out of the reach of many unemployed people because of their low skill level. It's a vicious circle and its very easy to blame fas staff.

i've had about ten lecturers/instructors with fas and they were all brilliant and very experienced i couldn't say a bad word about any of them. Its just the management of the whole thing is the problem, typical public service joke like same with the hse great staff but the idiots upstairs make a balls of it.

fas need to provide bridging courses to get those lower skilled people caught in that vicious circle back in a position to move on another level or go to uni

@my left leg
Firstly Solas will merely have an administration function with approx 350 staff the other approx 1500 FÁS staff are to be transferred to dsp and vec. All training including apprenticeship will now be the remit of vec and private training companies.
As for your other comments you sound like a pr1k
Hope you never have to experience unemployment.

Kxiii wrote: »

I wouldn't mind a day job for 30k.

But I was thinking more on the lines of the people a bit further up the chain.

High level management always seem to get paid well in any large organization . If you think 30K is a good salary then of course you are going to think a professional wage is high.

Bare in mind that at 30k a person would be dealing with somebody who gets more in benefits and complaining that the course isn't 5 minutes from their door.