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Round 10: German Grand Prix

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,262 ✭✭✭✭Autosport


    Wonder was Alonso out of fuel

    just about


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    fair play to Hamilton - great race for him. I was hoping the tyre situation would play into Alonso's hand though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    webber looks pissed off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Have to say Stefano comes across as a ridiculously likeable guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Great drive from Hamilton, next to near perfect. Dont have a clue what Ferrari were at for Massa's stop. Standards at Ferrari have plummeted since Jean Todt left the team. Great strategy from the Force India's with Sutil and Schumi was fantastic today barring that spin. Great race, shame about the lack of rain but for a dry race it was fantastic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    amacachi wrote: »
    Massa was still ahead though and had the advantage. Pitstop was probably a couple of tenths slow and I imagine someone will be getting a bollocking for not releasing him quicker.

    would like to see how much time massa lost in the pit entry and how much he lost in the stop


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,262 ✭✭✭✭Autosport


    Bring on next weekend :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Grim. wrote: »
    would like to see how much time massa lost in the pit entry and how much he lost in the stop

    Even if someone loses 20 seconds in the pit entry if they're ahead at the limiter line then both teams making a pitstop the same length will allow the person who led in to lead out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,262 ✭✭✭✭Autosport


    amacachi wrote: »
    Have to say Stefano comes across as a ridiculously likeable guy.

    Yea i like him but also Martin, i'm 50/50 with Christian


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    amacachi wrote: »
    Even if someone loses 20 seconds in the pit entry if they're ahead at the limiter line then both teams making a pitstop the same length will allow the person who led in to lead out.

    okay i'm not saying ferrari didn't **** up the stop they did but had massa not been so slow on pit entry could those couple of tenths made up for the time lost by ferrari letting massa get out ahead


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Voodu Child


    amacachi wrote: »
    Webber still stays out, no idea what the hell that's meant to be about, ridiculous.

    I think RB deliberately gave Alonso second in order to minimise the damage that Webber does to Vettels lead. Especially because at that point it looked like Vettel would only be 5th.

    They're not pushed about the constructors because they have it in the bag.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Grim. wrote: »
    okay i'm not saying ferrari didn't **** up the stop they did but had massa not been so slow on pit entry could those couple of tenths made up for the time lost by ferrari letting massa get out ahead

    Oh yeah definitely. Still I'd say that Ferrari were a couple of tenths off RB in the stop and played it too safe with his release.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Autosport wrote: »
    When Vettel actually has to drive and overtake he's not that good

    I wouldn't say not that good, just very average. As Coulthard said after the race, the jury is still out on that side of his skills. Eddie Jordan said Vettel is stupidly fast when out in the lead, but could he do what Alonso, Button, Hamilton do when they take a race by the scruff & win it from 5/6/7th? I'd have to say I'm doubtful still.
    Autosport wrote: »
    Delighted for Lewis, Alonso getting a lift from Webber was like Senna and Prost :)

    Nice little finisher indeed :cool:
    cadaliac wrote: »
    webber looks pissed off

    I'd say he is. This doesn't look good when negotiating for a drive next year.
    amacachi wrote: »
    Have to say Stefano comes across as a ridiculously likeable guy.

    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭EvilMonkey


    Ferrari should have just released Massa in front of Vettel and took their chances with the stewards. Vettel always had a chance with the Red Bull box first. Massa could have done a better job on the in lap.

    Championship winning performance from Vettel. Picked up solid points when he was struggling all weekend with setup and had brake issues during the race.

    Webber showed why he is no 2 at Red Bull he had the car to win and ends up third. Hamilton was good but he is given far to much room by other drivers.

    Something is wrong in F1 when the Ferrari and McLaren team bosses are getting along so well!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    EvilMonkey wrote: »
    Championship winning performance from Vettel. Picked up solid points when he was struggling all weekend with setup and had brake issues during the race

    Something has definitely changed in the Vettel camp though. I don't think it's technical as the car set pole, & Pirelli said the tyres (options) are the exact same as before...only difference was the track temp. He seemed like a different driver today, definitely not a world class drive. Very good drive, just not world class. He'll be back, don't you worry.
    EvilMonkey wrote:
    Hamilton was good but he is given far to much room by other drivers.

    Can't agree with that, If there's one driver who won't give you too much room its Alonso....more so when your Hamilton. That, was a world class drive. Like the Vettel situation though, I can see McLaren reverting back very soon.

    Poor aul Button tho :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    just watched the highlights show, great race:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    I really enjoyed the race, didn't need any rain to spice it up. I also like the fact that we have a back-to-back race with Hungary this weekend. It means Vettle's slightly off form doesn't give him the chance to re-charge or re-set his mental state. Also Hamilton and Alonso will still be buzzed by their form. Hopefully another cracking weekend ahead! Red Bull and Ferrari were in the mix last year in Hungary.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    77 ahead and 9 races left. If he finishes 4th every race and someone else averages 20 points a race (damn unlikely) then Vettel is champ. For all the rubbish about him not worrying about the points standings he's just going to do what he needs to do IMO, much as Button did a couple of years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,523 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    any word on punishment or sanction on Alonso or Hamilton for the after the finish incidents?

    I don't see anything on the beeb anyway and certainly hope nothing is done. It was so go to see stuff like that in F1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭EvilMonkey


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Something has definitely changed in the Vettel camp though. I don't think it's technical as the car set pole, & Pirelli said the tyres (options) are the exact same as before...only difference was the track temp. He seemed like a different driver today, definitely not a world class drive. Very good drive, just not world class. He'll be back, don't you worry.
    It happens all the time sometimes its certain tracks or not getting the setup right, having a bad weekend etc... You cant be perfect all the time, and Webber was super motivated to be faster this week anyway. Vettel will be back on top in Red Bull next week im sure.
    Can't agree with that, If there's one driver who won't give you too much room its Alonso....more so when your Hamilton. That, was a world class drive. Like the Vettel situation though, I can see McLaren reverting back very soon.
    Alonso just let Hamilton drive around the outside, he didn't see him and gave him far to much room, it cost him the race and was a terrible mistake for a driver of his quality. Don't believe the BBC hype that Alonso cant stand Hamilton. Im sure he's not his best mate or anything but Alonso the BBC and British media make much more out of it than their actually is imo.

    I too am surprised Webber and Alonso didn't get some kind of slap on the wrist. Did Hamilton get a reprimand a while ago for pushing the car when it ran out of fuel. Glad their has been no penalty given


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Sorry, what happened with Alonso and Webber? What potential slap on the wrist?

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    astrofluff wrote: »
    Sorry, what happened with Alonso and Webber? What potential slap on the wrist?

    Alonso ran out of fuel on the way back after the race. Webber stopped and picked him up. It's not allowed anymore, basically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Great race! So angry with Alonso (I am not a Hamilton fan :D). Have to say that Hamilton did drive really well. Schumacher seems to be getting there, but there's one thing every race that is costing him. Massa clearly not the driver he used to be - he should be delighted with the #2 position because he is nowhere close to challenging.

    Can't believe that the race didn't need rain to be interesting. Almost a novelty!

    🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Killinator


    It was nice to see Massa actually manage to hold someone off for a change, so many times already this year when in a racing situation the car behind (usually a RB or Mc) just drive straight past him without any notable defence on Massa's part,
    He showed today that he can hold up a competitor, reigning world champ Seb Vettel( 1 L, 2 T's:D) at that,
    Complete shambles of a pit stop though, from him and the team, it almost looked like an attempt to disturb Vettel the way he coasted to the line then slammed on the brakes like a cat ran across his front wing, and about as tardy as you can be when changing tyres.

    Delighted for Hammy, he was so happy throughout the weekend, even when claiming the car hadn't a hope of a top finish, he just seemed relaxed and totally comfortable in the car,
    Didn't even destroy his tyres with his hotlaps like he usually does.

    So desperate for a good finish from Schuey, its always a case of "If only he hadn't" in the races now, if he cuts the 1 mistake per race then he can challenge Rosberg and then who knows...:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    EvilMonkey wrote: »
    Alonso just let Hamilton drive around the outside, he didn't see him and gave him far to much room

    Not seeing someone, & giving someone too much room are two different things though. Some might say you'd have to be pretty good to come up behind Alonso & slip around him ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭EvilMonkey


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Not seeing someone, & giving someone too much room are two different things though. Some might say you'd have to be pretty good to come up behind Alonso & slip around him ;)

    If he didn't see them anyone could do it. That's why it was a terrible mistake on Alonso part.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,572 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Killinator wrote: »

    So desperate for a good finish from Schuey, its always a case of "If only he hadn't" in the races now, if he cuts the 1 mistake per race then he can challenge Rosberg and then who knows...:eek:

    He goes well in the races though apart from the mistakes. If he was out front, he wouldnt make so many mistakes. :D
    He is not there is quali. He has not once pulled out a special lap in quali 3 since his comeback. He used to do it week in, week out to snatch pole.
    I think he is suffering a great deal from testing ban.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,572 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Thats fair enough but he still seems to make his mistakes when he shouldnt. I guess if you leave yourself with only one chance at a lap, that is likely to happen though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Something people seem to forget about Schumi is that he had no experience with KERS before this year. Remember how it took Kimi half a season to get used to it and remember when Fisichella jumped into the Ferrari in the middle of 09?


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