Household levy to be introduced next year-but...

danniemcq · 26-07-2011 12:59PM #1

Cabinet approves new household charge

26/07/2011 - 11:46:52
Sources have said that the Cabinet has approved new household charge to be payable from next year.

Details of the charge, which will be €100, will be announced later this afternoon.

It is expected a number of low-income households will be given a waiver from the charge.

Both the Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Environment Minister Phil Hogan had promised clarity on any household charge before the summer recess.

The service charge is to be a combined water and property tax and will be set in the region of €100 a year, until schemes for charging for water and a property tax are introduced.

The EU/IMF bailout dictates that an interim charge must be put in place for water, beginning next year.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cabinet-approves-new-household-charge-514267.html#ixzz1TD9akonn

so going by last Census figures thats..... € 146,229,600.00 (there are 1,462,292 houses in the 2006 census not 5.2 million)

How much of that will be used for good? 0? or nearly 0?

mackg · 26-07-2011 01:02PM

danniemcq wrote: »

so going by last Census figures thats..... € 521,140,400.00

How much of that will be used for good? 0? or nearly 0?

Will the majority be used for evil?:eek:

Liam Byrne · 26-07-2011 01:03PM

I said it when I heard his speech about the catholic church.

He'll come out all guns blazing about corruption and sickening activities beyond his control, but he won't act fairly or correctly when it comes to stuff that he could control.

What he said about the actions and inactions of the catholic church was valid and required.

Unfortunately he refuses to throw stones towards the glasshouse that is the political establishment.

Sign in for a committee and feck off, stealing the expenses ? No problem. Enda won't kick you out of the Dáil.

pragmatic1 · 26-07-2011 01:03PM

Not surprising. Tough times ahead.

johngalway · 26-07-2011 01:04PM

How many people spend multiples of that €100 on utter sh1te during the year?

May have passed you by but the country is broke.

mackg · 26-07-2011 01:04PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I said it when I heard his speech about the catholic church.

He'll come out all guns blazing about corruption and sickening activities beyond his control, but he won't act fairly or correctly when it comes to stuff that he could control.

What he said about the actions and inactions of the catholic church was valid and required.

Unfortunately he refuses to throw stones towards the glasshouse that is the political establishment.

Sign in for a committee and feck off, stealing the expenses ? No problem. Enda won't kick you out of the Dáil.

What has that got to do with a water charge?

mackg · 26-07-2011 01:06PM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Not surprising. Tough times ahead.

+1 we knew it was coming, the question is how does it compare to domestic water charges in other countries?

carefulnow100 · 26-07-2011 01:07PM

This charge will lose any confidence that many people around the country had only slightly regained in the past month or two regarding money and governments.

Gracelessly Tom · 26-07-2011 01:08PM

danniemcq wrote: »

so going by last Census figures thats..... € 521,140,400.00

There ain't 5.2 million households in Ireland.

W.Shakes-Beer · 26-07-2011 01:09PM

johngalway wrote: »

How many people spend multiples of that €100 on utter sh1te during the year?

May have passed you by but the country is broke.

Agreed, it isn't an astronomical figure, about 27 cent a day, which I'm sure most households could afford. However I'd be skeptical as to how much of that money we'll "see back" in benefits.

Dermo · 26-07-2011 01:09PM

Everyone knew this was coming. Why are people surprised?
We are in a recession. It's €100. 1 less drink every 2 weeks.

whadabouchasir · 26-07-2011 01:11PM

Considering that a 500ml bottle of mineral water costs nearly €1 in a shop €100 euro a year for a few thousand litres doesn't sound too bad.

danniemcq · 26-07-2011 01:13PM

johngalway wrote: »

How many people spend multiples of that €100 on utter sh1te during the year?

May have passed you by but the country is broke.

Yeah and the way to get us back on our feet is by taking even more money off the people, meaning tighter budgets, less spending, less VAT so then Taxes are increased and new rates are introduced.

vicious circle that is not being tamed

ejmaztec · 26-07-2011 01:13PM

Dermo wrote: »

Everyone knew this was coming. Why are people surprised?
We are in a recession. It's €100. 1 less drink every 2 weeks.

If you give it up altogether, you can pay for the rest of us:P

shanered · 26-07-2011 01:14PM

What do you expect, you really thought that a politician like Enda wouldn't use a crisis for political gain, while being a hypocrite and protecting his own skin and that of his work collegues?
It makes him look like a great moral figure with brass balls when he stood up to the church, but unfortunitly we have swapped the church for the IMF these days, instead of Rome pulling the strings it will be Brussels.
Now he is going to wreck the lives of so many families, and destroy the quality of life of so many children. (Disabled)
Not sexually but financially rape every house hold in the country, this country is going to be plundered and we have a nod and get on with it mentality.
Its sad where we are going, but I believe are new master is going to affect us much more than the church did.

danniemcq · 26-07-2011 01:16PM

whadabouchasir wrote: »

Considering that a 500ml bottle of mineral water costs nearly €1 in a shop €100 euro a year for a few thousand litres doesn't sound too bad.

is our water pipes gonna be taken from a volcano in France? are they gonna be filetered though a million years of limestone??

Or is it gonna be collected in a big pond really as it is now pumped full of flouride that nobody wants and does nothing really and pumped though the same old pipes that will bust every time it gets a bit cold?

as big a con as bottled water is this is bigger

tbh · 26-07-2011 01:16PM

danniemcq wrote: »

Yeah and the way to get us back on our feet is by taking even more money off the people, meaning tighter budgets, less spending, less VAT so then Taxes are increased and new rates are introduced.

vicious circle that is not being tamed

how do you reduce the deficit without increasing taxation (taking money off the people) or cutting spending (taking money off the people)?

Serious question, Dannie - what would you do?

Dermo · 26-07-2011 01:16PM

shanered wrote: »

What do you expect, you really thought that a politician like Enda wouldn't use a crisis for political gain, while being a hypocrite and protecting his own skin and that of his work collegues?
It makes him look like a great moral figure with brass balls when he stood up to the church, but unfortunitly we have swapped the church for the IMF these days, instead of Rome pulling the strings it will be Brussels.
Now he is going to wreck the lives of so many families, and destroy the quality of life of so many children. (Disabled)
Not sexually but financially rape every house hold in the country, this country is going to be plundered and we have a nod and get on with it mentality.
Its sad where we are going, but I believe are new master is going to affect us much more than the church did.

so .... you aren't a glass half-full kinda guy?

johngalway · 26-07-2011 01:17PM

danniemcq wrote: »

Yeah and the way to get us back on our feet is by taking even more money off the people, meaning tighter budgets, less spending, less VAT so then Taxes are increased and new rates are introduced.

Yes, actually. along with job creation and reforms of existing structures.

Face reality, the party is over. We cannot afford our bills.

The alternative is to borrow more, which we can't do. So cuts there must be, along with reform and job creation.

danniemcq wrote: »

vicious circle that is not being tamed

Sorry, but the above line is an utter nonsense. We're in the worst financial crisis the country has ever faced and it's supposed to be cleared up in jig time? You are not dealing with the realities of the world.

We're living the saying:

"If your outgoings are more than your income, your upkeep with be your downfall".

Liam Byrne · 26-07-2011 01:18PM

mackg wrote: »

What has that got to do with a water charge?

Trying to rip more money from us without fixing what's being spent first. THEN if the country needs more money we can look at making up the ACTUAL deficit.

If your kid was wasting cash on junk and then complaining that they didn't have enough cash, would you give them more or would you tell them to stop wasting what they had FIRST and then come back to you if they were still strapped ?

Uriel. · 26-07-2011 01:18PM

shanered wrote: »

What do you expect, you really thought that a politician like Enda wouldn't use a crisis for political gain, while being a hypocrite and protecting his own skin and that of his work collegues?
It makes him look like a great moral figure with brass balls when he stood up to the church, but unfortunitly we have swapped the church for the IMF these days, instead of Rome pulling the strings it will be Brussels.
Now he is going to wreck the lives of so many families, and destroy the quality of life of so many children. (Disabled)
Not sexually but financially rape every house hold in the country, this country is going to be plundered and we have a nod and get on with it mentality.
Its sad where we are going, but I believe are new master is going to affect us much more than the church did.

Jebus,

when is your film coming out??? It will be entertaining I am sure....

.... dramatic much :rolleyes:

krudler · 26-07-2011 01:19PM

meh, its 2 quid a week, thats barely a bottle of ballygowan

squod · 26-07-2011 01:24PM

Already paying for it, can't afford anymore. If Enda wants to fund the water charges why doesn't he cut out pensions for pen pushers in the public service?

Enda is continuing the cosy cartel that operates between the government and the public sector who (lets face it) run the country for their own benefit. This water charge won't even cover the pension scheme of the top brass operating whatever new body (or old body) that runs the shaggin' water services!

Fuhk off Enda. What with bailing your mates bank out, wasting money on NAMA and doling out pension schemes to people who can afford their own....... we can't afford you!

whadabouchasir · 26-07-2011 01:25PM

danniemcq wrote: »

is our water pipes gonna be taken from a volcano in France? are they gonna be filetered though a million years of limestone??

Or is it gonna be collected in a big pond really as it is now pumped full of flouride that nobody wants and does nothing really and pumped though the same old pipes that will bust every time it gets a bit cold?

as big a con as bottled water is this is bigger

How is this a con?It costs the state about 1 billion a year to treat and supply water to households and you're complaining that you now have to pay for it, even though nearly every other country in the world also charges for it?Now I don't like having to hand over an extra 100e of my hard earned cash,but if there ever was something that was deserving of 100e it's the availability of plenty clean water in my house.

jc84 · 26-07-2011 01:26PM

to be fair 100 euro isn't too much, considering almost every other country in the world has this kind of charge and costs a lot more too

conorhal · 26-07-2011 01:26PM

johngalway wrote: »

How many people spend multiples of that €100 on utter sh1te during the year?

May have passed you by but the country is broke.

God you're naive. A hundred euro ...on introduction. Do you really think that this will not be a rates based property tax brought in by the back door?
How long do you imagine it will take for this charge (like stamp duty did for example) to morph from a small payment into an annual % cost of your properties value?

Now I've no problem with rates, well not back when they used to pay for the provision of services by the CoCo like bin collection, water and maintainance, but the fact is you'll get nothing for this charge the same way that businesses get nothing for the exorbitant rates that they pay.
The excuse for this charge that will be offered, of course, will be the cost of water provision, but you'd be a loon to think that water metering won't be imposed in due course also.

As to the country being broke, I see a lot of fat to be trimmed before the government come looking to me for more cash.

jester77 · 26-07-2011 01:26PM

mackg wrote: »

+1 we knew it was coming, the question is how does it compare to domestic water charges in other countries?

Looks cheap, I'm paying €22 a month in Germany for water in my apt. and I'm a light user. No one home during the day, shower in the morning, dishwasher twice a week, washing machine twice a week, don't drink tea/coffee and boil maybe 3 or 4 pots of water a week for potatoes/rice/pasta/etc.

syklops · 26-07-2011 01:27PM

shanered wrote: »

What do you expect, you really thought that a politician like Enda wouldn't use a crisis for political gain, while being a hypocrite and protecting his own skin and that of his work collegues?
It makes him look like a great moral figure with brass balls when he stood up to the church, but unfortunitly we have swapped the church for the IMF these days, instead of Rome pulling the strings it will be Brussels.
Now he is going to wreck the lives of so many families, and destroy the quality of life of so many children. (Disabled)
Not sexually but financially rape every house hold in the country, this country is going to be plundered and we have a nod and get on with it mentality.
Its sad where we are going, but I believe are new master is going to affect us much more than the church did.

Jesus over-react much? Its 27 cents a day. No kids will starve because of this. No families will be ruined.

As has been said before, you knew it was coming. Like it or not, for a lot of people it is one less night out, for others its one less drink every couple of weeks.

Also, they have said, people in low income families will be exempt.

mackg · 26-07-2011 01:29PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Trying to rip more money from us without fixing what's being spent first. THEN if the country needs more money we can look at making up the ACTUAL deficit.

If your kid was wasting cash on junk and then complaining that they didn't have enough cash, would you give them more or would you tell them to stop wasting what they had FIRST and then come back to you if they were still strapped ?

They have made cuts in expenses and we were eventually going to get a water charge, not saying the expenses couldn't be trimmed a little further but it's not like they are untouched.

johngalway · 26-07-2011 01:30PM

conorhal wrote: »

A hundred euro ...on introduction. Do you really think that this will not be rates brought in by the back door? And how long do you imagine it will take for this charge, like stamp duty did for example, to morph from a small payment into an annual % cost of your properties value?

Now I've no problem with rates, well not back when they used to pay for the provision of services by the CoCo, but the fact is you'll get nothing for this charge the same way that businesses get nothing for the exhorbitant rates that they pay.
The excuse for this charge that will be offered, of course, will be the cost of water provision, but you'd be a loon to think that water metering won't be imposed in due course also.

There's nothing special about the Irish that we shouldn't have to pay our way. Most other developed countries have these charges. Money into state coffers goes to pay for something. The something may not be a thing we like, but if it's got our name on the invoice, that's where it's at.

I pay a lot of things I don't like, that's life.

opinion guy · 26-07-2011 01:30PM

To be honest 100 a year for combined water charges and property taxes is ALOT less than I would have expected

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