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25-07-2011 04:32PM

Seachmall wrote: »

He held a belief and was willing to risk his life and freedom to act on it. Obviously his opinions and beliefs don't coincide with the vast majority of people and his actions were inexcusable and completely immoral, but he did believe he was doing the right thing.

In this instance I don't have respect for him because I believe he's a narcissist with views completely out of touch with reality but in instances such as the fundamentalist religious (Islamic and Christian) I can see the parallel of soldiers fighting for what they believe in.

I don't condone their actions in any way but I can respect their selflessness in risking their lives to further a cause they view to be beneficial to society (e.g. Army of God). It's not uncommon to hear soldiers who fought in war to have respect for enemy soldiers, they have different ideologies and their actions are inexcusable to each other but the respect is there.

I think you just worded what I meant to say in a much better way.

Turtwig · 25-07-2011 04:34PM

prinz wrote: »

He clearly has a decent level of intelligence regardless of his manifesto, as I put it earlier on the thread his choice of target alone was perfect for the plan he was about to carry out. He is certainly streets ahead of the others who just go to a school/shopping centre and start shooting randomly.

Yeah but random shooters usually have no motives or goals. According to his manifesto this guy apparently had plenty. It doesn't take a genius to realise that a small Island filled with kids would inflict terror. The diversionary explosion, dressed as a law enforcement officer. It's all pretty basic stuff that you could figure out yourself of garner from a show like 24 or Criminal Minds or any RTS videogame.

IvySlayer · 25-07-2011 04:35PM

gandalf wrote: »

This guy is a deranged nutjob. His manifesto is plagiarised from numerous sources. He is a fantascist and I seriously doubt he is part of any organisation at all.

Unfortunately he had money and time to plan this out and the reason the death toll was so high is the people were more or less captive on that island so he could take his time.

He should spent the rest of his life behind bars with images of those whose lives he snuffed out so early in his face every waking hour.

He did this to get attention and for people to read his manifesto, it worked. Don't think he's lying when he says there's others involved.

opinion guy · 25-07-2011 04:35PM

Seachmall wrote: »

He held a belief and was willing to risk his life and freedom to act on it. Obviously his opinions and beliefs don't coincide with the vast majority of people and his actions were inexcusable and completely immoral, but he did believe he was doing the right thing.

I don't believe he believed he was doing the right thing. He knows he did something immoral as evidenced by his acknowledgments that his acts were 'gruesome'. I believe through the power of cognitive dissonance he convinced himself he should do these things - but somewhere inside he knows he did something wrong.

Sky just said 2 court appointed psychiatrists will assess his mental state

Duggy747 · 25-07-2011 04:36PM

prinz wrote: »

Like many terrorists. The bit of 'respect' I have for him is that he gave himself up... unlike those closer to home who liked to stick a bomb in a bin and made sure they were well away before blowing up a couple of kids for instance, and wouldn't have the conviction to give themselves up for trial/imprisonment.

Strangely enough, he had discussed many times that A Justicier Knight would never surrender and that, maybe, if he was caught alive:

I have been thinking about my post-operational situation, in case I survive a successful
mission and live to stand a multiculturalist trial. When I wake up at the hospital, after
surviving the gunshot wounds inflicted on me, I realize at least for me personally, I will be
waking up to a world of ****, a living nightmare. Not only will all my friends and family
detest me and call me a monster; the united global multiculturalist media will have their
hands full figuring out multiple ways to character assassinate, vilify and demonize. They
will possibly do everything they can to distort the truth about me, KT and our true
objectives, and attempt to make even revolutionary conservatives detest me. They will
label me as a racist, fascist, Nazi-monster as they usually do with everyone who opposes
multiculturalism/cultural Marxism. However, since I manifest their worst nightmare
(systematical and organized executions of multiculturalist traitors), they will probably just
give me the full propaganda rape package and propagate the following accusations:
pedophile, engaged in incest activities, homosexual, psycho, ADHD, thief, non-educated, inbred, maniac, insane, monster etc. I will be labeled as the biggest (Nazi-)monster ever witnessed since WW2.

biko · 25-07-2011 04:36PM

I don't think he's confused, insane or any of that.
He's just very very very wrong.

prinz · 25-07-2011 04:38PM

Malty_T wrote: »

Yeah but random shooters usually have no motives or goals. According to his manifesto this guy apparently had plenty. It doesn't take a genius to realise that a small Island filled with kids would inflict terror..

Who said he was a genius? You can be intelligent without being a genius.

Turtwig · 25-07-2011 04:41PM

prinz wrote: »

Who said he was a genius? You can be intelligent without being a genius.

Colloquial expression. I wasn't saying that he's not Genius, I'm saying that any auld fool could conceive of that plan. It's not rocket science.

25-07-2011 04:41PM

I’ve spent a total of 9 years of my life working on this project. The first five years were
spent studying and creating a financial base, and the last three years was spent working
full time with research, compilation and writing. Creating this compendium has personally
cost me a total of 317 000 Euros (130 000 Euros spent from my own pocket and 187 500
Euros for loss of income during three years). All that, however, is barely noticeable
compared to the sacrifices made in relation to the distribution of this book, the actual
marketing operation

"Marketing operation". Kind of sums up why so many died in one line.. Freaky smilie face.

--Kaiser-- · 25-07-2011 04:49PM

biko wrote: »

I don't think he's confused, insane or any of that.
He's just very very very wrong.

And that's what I find really scary. To do what he did and be sane

Seachmall wrote: »

For all intensive purposes he was a model citizen, until suddenly he wasn't.

Aghh! It's 'for all intents and puposes'!

Killer Pigeon · 25-07-2011 04:49PM

Book of condolence

Updated: 16:39, Monday, 25 July 2011

A book of condolence for the victim's of Friday's attacks has been opened at the Norwegian Embassy in Dublin.

It will be available for signing tomorrow from midday until 2pm at the embassy on Molesworth Street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0725/oslo.html

So that's 12pm to 2pm on Tuesday 26th July 2011 at the Norwegian Embassy in Molesworth Street, Dublin.

Also, it seems that the overall death-toll has been revised down to 76.

sink · 25-07-2011 04:52PM

I see the total known death toll has been revised down quiet a bit to 76. 68 on the Island and presumably 8 in Oslo. Still doesn't take much away from the horror of it.

Latchy · 25-07-2011 04:56PM

His anger it seems wasn't directed at Muslims but thoses who tolerated Muslims so he decides to massacre so many of his fellow young countrymen and women , although it would not matter a jot who or what country /religion they were of .His actions are of a pretty warped, seriously disturbed,grade A nutjob.

prinz · 25-07-2011 05:03PM

Malty_T wrote: »

Colloquial expression. I wasn't saying that he's not Genius, I'm saying that any auld fool could conceive of that plan. It's not rocket science.

It's not rocket science but it's not run of the mill angry-at-the-world shooter scenario either. I think you over estimate any auld fool tbh.

Seachmall · 25-07-2011 05:09PM

opinion guy wrote: »

I don't believe he believed he was doing the right thing. He knows he did something immoral as evidenced by his acknowledgments that his acts were 'gruesome'. I believe through the power of cognitive dissonance he convinced himself he should do these things - but somewhere inside he knows he did something wrong.

He considers those killed to be cultural Marxists, the worst kind of traitors in his opinion. I'm sure there is some remorse but he feels the deaths were completely justified given his position, unless of course he's a sociopath*.

*He may not be a sociopath.

@Malty_T;
The Manifesto is well written and covers pretty much anything and everything. His plan for the shootings was just to spread it, he picked the simplest and most gruesome way to get it out there, he didn't over-complicate anything and it he executed it well. The guy is not your run-of-the-mill shooter, he was pretty organised and had planned this for years. That takes patience and intelligence.

wildlifeboy · 25-07-2011 05:09PM

anyone got a link to the full manifesto?

25-07-2011 05:13PM

http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-content/uploads/2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.pdf

Seachmall · 25-07-2011 05:14PM

wildlifeboy wrote: »

anyone got a link to the full manifesto?

Here [PDF]

Cianos · 25-07-2011 05:14PM

sink wrote: »

I see the total known death toll has been revised down quiet a bit to 76. 68 on the Island and presumably 8 in Oslo. Still doesn't take much away from the horror of it.

How would they overestimate the death toll?

opinion guy · 25-07-2011 05:16PM

Seachmall wrote: »

He considers those killed to be cultural Marxists, the worst kind of traitors in his opinion. I'm sure there is some remorse but he feels the deaths were completely justified given his position, unless of course he's a sociopath*.

*He may not be a sociopath.

Look up cognitive dissonance

Killer Pigeon · 25-07-2011 05:18PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Here [PDF]

Police could put you on a watch-list if you clicked that link.

Duggy747 · 25-07-2011 05:20PM

He definitely had a higher degree of intelligence than you're average shooter. He always talked about in the manifesto how he hated lying and had good friends of various ethnic background.

This shooting was not because he hated ethnic groups but that he hated those "traitors" that wanted to destroy Europe by allowing multicultralism and ignore a country's solidarity.

He saw it as the death of a nation's unique culture and identity, something that boiled inside him for years. He lists his friends, all of which he was disgusted by their stance of boycotting Israel and supporting multicultralism. He referred to many of them as hypocrites.

prinz · 25-07-2011 05:27PM

Cianos wrote: »

How would they overestimate the death toll?

A spokesman said the higher, but incorrect, figure emerged as police and rescuers were focusing on helping survivors and securing the area.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/norway-police-lower-island-death-toll-number-514166.html#ixzz1T8RCkaU9

That's how. They were releasing numbers when the rescue and evacuation was still in progress. Possibly counted some bodies twice in the mayhem

25-07-2011 05:30PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Police could put you on a watch-list if you clicked that link.

I've bolded the parts I laughed at.

Killer Pigeon · 25-07-2011 05:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've bolded the parts I laughed at.

Looking for *thanks* yeah?

wildlifeboy · 25-07-2011 05:32PM

that will be the biggest watch list ever then lol

AhSureTisGrand · 25-07-2011 05:33PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Looking for *thanks* yeah?

Just for that I'm thanking his post

Turtwig · 25-07-2011 05:33PM

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Just for that I'm thanking his post

+1:D

sink · 25-07-2011 05:35PM

Cianos wrote: »

How would they overestimate the death toll?

I assume there were mistakes on the body count, double reporting etc,. It's a pretty chaotic situation so nothing should be taken as a certainty.

Turtwig · 25-07-2011 05:36PM

wildlifeboy wrote: »

that will be the biggest watch list ever then lol

Something tells me that a million plus people won't read it.:D

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